Is my salvation based upon my knowledge of the Trinity?

[mjrhealth]

As per the above which you have quoted: The Trinity is not a requirement for salvation. The Trinity is something you become aware of as you grow deeper in your walk with God. It is a revelation of truth.
It has nothing to do with you being void of the Spirit.

example: I know many spirit-filled believers who do not speak in tongues. Does that make those believers any less spirit-filled because they do not speak in tongues?

I never became aware of any trinity, all I know is

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

but in understanding when all christians finally agree with Jesus, and God we would all be as one, even though there are thousands of us. doesnt make us one person, though we be one body.

 

[OzSpen]

That was not relevant, and you are trying to dodge the plain presentation of the Trinity. Of course Christ comes to indwell and be with believers as much as does the Holy Spirit. Indeed the apostle John says (in his epistle) that God (the Godhead) dwells within the believer. But John also this (1 John 5:7 KJV):

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Now do you or do you not believe what is recorded in Scripture? Or will you continue to twist verses to fit your false theology?

Enoch,

That's not how the MSS closer to the time of Jesus read: 'For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree' (1 John 5:7-8 ESV).

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Trust and knowledge of are two different things.

A child's love & trust of their Father can indeed be very pure & strong, even if their understanding of them is limited.

Jane,

Are you saying that a child does not need to know the nature of the Father to trust Him?

Oz

 

[Waiting on him]

So

I never became aware of any trinity, all I know is

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

but in understanding when all christians finally agree with Jesus, and God we would all be as one, even though there are thousands of us. doesnt make us one person, though we be one body.

Well,,,, it's a product of the Holy Spirit..

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Here, let's run through an example:

"Bob" loves the Bible & God & Christ. He devotes his life to Christ, believes He is the divine Son of God, loving Him, studying scriptures, submitting to Him, and striving to follow His ways. Also acknowledging & loving God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. 100% full devotion. However, Bob's not a theologian, and doesn't academically fully understand the 3-in-1 thing and in fact sometimes gets some of the minor stuff wrong. Bob loves God, but isn't an academic theologian.

In your view, does Bob's inability to get an A+ on a theology test mean he is disqualified from salvation?

I was actually curious as to your answer to this question to @OzSpen and meant to tag you in it (then admittedly forgot to do so).

Still curious as to @Joseph77 's answer too.

 

[Joseph77]

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At that moment Jesus said: My Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I am grateful that you hid all this from wise and educated people and showed it to ordinary people.


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24 But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.” 25

At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and

revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was well-pleasing in Your sight.…
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[Jane_Doe22]

Jane,

Are you saying that a child does not need to know the nature of the Father to trust Him?

Oz

Know that the Father is good - yes. Know that they (the child) can trust Him, yes. Those basic characteristics, yes.

Academic ontological stuff: no. That's not needed for trust.

 

[Angelina]

I have come across members [not here] who believe that if you do not believe in the rapture theology, you are not saved. Salvation is clear in the bible and does not require any extra insertions from others who place the rapture theology on the same par as salvation. The same goes for any other doctrine or belief.

 

[Waiting on him]

I have come across members [not here] who believe that if you do not believe in the rapture theology, you are not saved. Salvation is clear in the bible and does not require any extra insertions from others who place the rapture theology on the same par as salvation. The same goes for any other doctrine or belief.

Is an understanding of the rapture also a product of the Holy Spirit ?

 

[OzSpen]

I was actually curious as to your answer to this question to @OzSpen and meant to tag you in it (then admittedly forgot to do so).

Still curious as to @Joseph77 's answer too.

Jane,

My understanding is that when I came to know the Trinitarian God (didn't know much about the Trinity) back in the 1960s, I knew very little of Scripture but my parents who were saved at the 1959 Billy Graham crusade shared Jesus with me.

My family had limited understanding of God, but our faith was based on the facts of Scripture and the Bible's invitation, 'Whoever believes in him [Jesus] shall not perish but have eternal life' (Jn 3:16 NIV).

As I studied Scripture, I learned that my new-found faith was based on the facts (truth) of the Lord God's action in history of the OT, Jesus' life and then death on Golgotha and resurrection. I've come to appreciate that Christianity is an historical faith, base on the truths of history.

However, knowledge of these facts does not make me a continuing Christian. I have to trust the Lord daily.

Because of Jesus,
Oz

 

[Angelina]

Is an understanding of the rapture also a product of the Holy Spirit ?

You can choose to believe it or you may not. Somewhere down the line God's truth will prevail...

 

[OzSpen]

I have come across members [not here] who believe that if you do not believe in the rapture theology, you are not saved. Salvation is clear in the bible and does not require any extra insertions from others who place the rapture theology on the same par as salvation. The same goes for any other doctrine or belief.

Angelina,

If I continue to deny the following, can I still be a Christian?

• The virgin birth;
• Jesus death for sin;
• Jesus' bodily resurrection;
• The nature of God.

Oz

 

[Taken]

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If you had no knowledge of the Word Trinity...

But you Had knowledge of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit and Heartfully Submitted yourself to belief in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit...

I would say you have an everlasting bonded relationship with the Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[OzSpen]

Is an understanding of the rapture also a product of the Holy Spirit ?

WoH,

I've been attending a church recently where the pastor is Amillennial. He preached through the Book of Revelation and didn't deal with the amazing imagery.

He doesn't believe in a rapture.

Oz

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Jane,

My understanding is that when I came to know the Trinitarian God (didn't know much about the Trinity) back in the 1960s, I knew very little of Scripture but my parents who were saved at the 1959 Billy Graham crusade shared Jesus with me.

My family had limited understanding of God, but our faith was based on the facts of Scripture and the Bible's invitation, 'Whoever believes in him [Jesus] shall not perish but have eternal life' (Jn 3:16 NIV).

As I studied Scripture, I learned that my new-found faith was based on the facts (truth) of the Lord God's action in history of the OT, Jesus' life and then death on Golgotha and resurrection. I've come to appreciate that Christianity is an historical faith, base on the truths of history.

However, knowledge of these facts does not make me a continuing Christian. I have to trust the Lord daily.

Because of Jesus,
Oz

Thank you for answering and for sharing your story.

Theology is super important. But it is embracing Jesus Christ that makes any person a Christian. Not their ability to A+ a theology test. A person whom doesn't understand much theology is just as much a Christian as those that could get a A+.

Obviously, ideally a person should learn more theology & Truth over time on their walk with Christ as well.

Angelina,

If I continue to deny the following, can I still be a Christian?

• The virgin birth;
• Jesus death for sin;
• Jesus' bodily resurrection;
• The nature of God.

Oz

That would being getting an F- on the theology test.

But as to salvation, those aren't the questions. The question is: "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord & Savior, with all of your heart & mind & might & soul?"

 

[OzSpen]

Know that the Father is good - yes. Know that they (the child) can trust Him, yes. Those basic characteristics, yes.

Academic ontological stuff: no. That's not needed for trust.

Does the child need to know she/he does wrong things and is a sinner?

 

[Angelina]

Angelina,

If I continue to deny the following, can I still be a Christian?

• The virgin birth;
• Jesus death for sin;
• Jesus' bodily resurrection;
• The nature of God.

Oz

The bible makes it clear. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. Romans 10:9 just because you have no understanding of bible at this stage, does not mean that you are not saved. The bible is clear. If you deny the above beforehand, it indicates to me that you have some form of understanding because you have denied it. It's the kind of decision that an atheist would make, not someone that the Holy Spirit is wooing....The Holy Spirit knows the heart of every man.

 

[OzSpen]

Thank you for answering and for sharing your story.

Theology is super important. But it is embracing Jesus Christ that makes any person a Christian. Not their ability to A+ a theology test. A person whom doesn't understand much theology is just as much a Christian as those that could get a A+.

Obviously, ideally a person should learn more theology & Truth over time on their walk with Christ as well.

That would being getting an F- on the theology test.

But as to salvation, those aren't the questions. The question is: "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord & Savior, with all of your heart & mind & might & soul?"

However, Jane, is this the Jesus Christ who was born of a union of 2 human beings (no virgin birth), didn't die for the sins of the world, and whose resurrection was that of a phantom/apparition?

 

[Waiting on him]

WoH,

I've been attending a church recently where the pastor is Amillennial. He preached through the Book of Revelation and didn't deal with the amazing imagery.

He doesn't believe in a rapture.

Oz

What,,, he doesn't believe in the magical escape pod for those who have the holy spirit????

The maddnesss!!!!!

 

[Taken]

I agree but according to the mods statement they have it, I believe they should be able to clearly explain.

I've received no answer

Knowledge is one thing...and Scripture is full of knowledge provided and approved of God.

Understanding the knowledge..."according to how God Understand" of His OWN knowledge given us...is A Spiritual Gift the Lord God Gives Spiritually to men.

IOW... read what you want to know...ask God for "His" Understanding of the knowledge.

Glory to God,
Taken