Is my salvation based upon my knowledge of the Trinity?

[Paul Christensen]

It's all good brother, just wondered why I got tagged by an admin. Keep reading your bible and learn of him. God bless.

I got my Interlinear Greek New Testament out and made an interesting discovery. I responded to part one of our friend's lengthy defence of the KJV version of 1 John 5:7, and you might find it interesting reading.

 

[Paul Christensen]

So neither of our links worked, but hers did?


???

I've now done my analysis of part 2, and the actual Greek text I have makes things very clear to me that John is not teaching trinity in that part of his letter at all. Have a read of it.

 

[Paul Christensen]

It's all good brother, just wondered why I got tagged by an admin. Keep reading your bible and learn of him. God bless.

I now have completed my analysis. Giving credit where credit is due, our friend has done a lot of work and research to try and justify his thesis, and I believe that he is sincere in this attempt to prove the trinity through a defence of 1 John 5:7. His thesis is convincing and has a lot of merit, so I don't agree with you that it is "KJVO drivel". He has used good techniques of scholarship in this thesis, and if the Father, Word, and Holy Spirit was consistent with the context of the whole passage, then his thesis would be good and well justified.

I think I can say this in support of his attempt because having an MA in Literature, and a M.Divinity, I am quite as qualified as any academic Bible teacher to write a review of Christian literature like this. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't make me born again better than anyone who doesn't have my level of education. It just makes me more opinionated! And some would say like Festus told Paul, "Much learning makes you mad!" But then I am a crazy Kiwi and living upside down on this part of the world tends to make the blood rush to my head at times, and I have run out of my blue pills!

Also, my level of education doesn't make me an authority on the Bible by any means, but I can review and analyse an article and point out what I think are the strengths and weaknesses of it. So, I think the main weakness in our friend's defence of 1 John 5:7 is that the reference to Father, Word and Holy Spirit is glaringly out of context with the smooth progression of the text around it, and one can see the "joins" at the beginning and end of it.

 

[Grailhunter]

Ecclesiastes 12:12
But beyond this, my son, be warned the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body.

You guys are funny!

Is my salvation based upon my knowledge of the Trinity?
No...it is based on your belief on one of them...lol...The truth about the Trinity is about understanding what is happening in the the storyline of the Gospels. They are what they are regardless of our limited understanding of the exactness of their bond.

The Shrimps says, "The Trinity is three Gods in one person."
The Lobster says, "No your are crazy! The Trinity is three Gods in unity!"
The Barnacle says, "No you are all wrong! The Holy Spirit is a Spirit, so the Trinity is two Gods and a Spirit."
The Krill sang in unison, "Don't ya get it! The Holy Spirit comes forth from the Father. It is not a person at all! So it is not a threesome, it a duoity."
The Starfish walked by and said, "You guys all got it all wrong! Christ was all human and all God. So when He ascended to the Father it was a Quadity!"
God the Father and the Son are having a good laugh! The Father said, "Wonder what they would have done if we told them that there was twelve of us!" Roars with laughter! "I got an idea, next time we will make'em with three souls! There will be no sin because they will never agree on doing anything!"

 

[Angelina]

It's all good brother, just wondered why I got tagged by an admin. Keep reading your bible and learn of him. God bless.

Because you posted this....

I mean, I wouldn't worry about anything. Forget theology, sound doctrine, truth, the true gospel and the true Christ.

Believe whatever you want about the gospel, make up your own beliefs, call it another testament of Christ, preach works salvation, universalism, many heavens, polytheism, new age, we are gods, anything you want.

Don't worry about who Christ truly is, make him created, uncreated, Deity, not Deity, the devil's brother, Michael, whomever you want him to be.

As long as you're nice to each other and tolerate one another's beliefs "you're going to heaven."
That is the "new" fake gospel; "set aside your differences."

Straight after I posted this....

@Enoch111. I have moved your posts to another section of the bible study forum under the Heading of "
Various Bible Interpretations in re: to the Trinity" This is a discussion forum. Filling up this area with reams and reams of information does not leave much room for members who are not involved in your conversation but are still very much interested in the discussion at hand.

Why do you think I tagged you?

 

[Paul Christensen]

Ecclesiastes 12:12
But beyond this, my son, be warned the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body.

You guys are funny!

Is my salvation based upon my knowledge of the Trinity?
No...it is based on your belief on one of them...lol...The truth about the Trinity is about understanding what is happening in the the storyline of the Gospels. They are what they are regardless of our limited understanding of the exactness of their bond.

The Shrimps says, "The Trinity is three Gods in one person."
The Lobster says, "No your are crazy! The Trinity is three Gods in unity!"
The Barnacle says, "No you are all wrong! The Holy Spirit is a Spirit, so the Trinity is two Gods and a Spirit."
The Krill sang in unison, "Don't ya get it! The Holy Spirit comes forth from the Father. It is not a person at all! So it is not a threesome, it a duoity."
The Starfish walked by and said, "You guys all got it all wrong! Christ was all human and all God. So when He ascended to the Father it was a Quadity!"
God the Father and the Son are having a good laugh! The Father said, "Wonder what they would have done if we told them that there was twelve of us!" Roars with laughter! "I got an idea, next time we will make'em with three souls! There will be no sin because they will never agree on doing anything!"

 

[mjrhealth]

So

Well,,,, it's a product of the Holy Spirit..

What is ?? are we blaming Him for more stuff.

 

[Waiting on him]

What is ?? are we blaming Him for more stuff.

Apparently.

 

[Waiting on him]

What is ?? are we blaming Him for more stuff.

Or it could be countless years of listening to the same song over and over ( how great I art)????!!!!!

 

[Josho]

There are multiple verses in the Bible regarding what we must do to be saved. There is obviously John 3:16, all of us should know that verse.

There is also Acts 16:30-31

Which was after Paul and Silas were singing hymns in prison, an earthquake happened shook the prison, the prison doors were open and chains were loosed, the prison keeper awoke from sleep and thought everyone had escaped and was about to kill himself, then Paul called out with a loud voice saying "Do yourself no harm for we are all here" the prison keeper called for a light ran in and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas.

Acts 16:30-31
"And he brought them out and said Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

John 5:24

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgement, but has passed from death into life."

Romans 10:9-10

"That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

Notice what is the keyword in all the above verses? believe. So if you have made that choice and taken that step of Faith, I believe you are saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."

I could keep on going about verses on being saved, but it will take all day, and maybe even then some. But if you take the word of God as it is and believe, you should be fine.

Also the see the 2nd half of 1 Corinthians 12:3

"Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that "Jesus is Lord " except by the Holy Spirit.

Throughout the Old Testament God is referred to as Lord very many times, "Lord our God" is used multiple times.

If you can say Jesus is Lord, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Also read 2 Corinthians 3:17

"Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, it's just a term used to describe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Don't focus too much or stress out on holding a position on the trinity, when you read the Word of God, just take it as it is and if you do not understand, ask God to help you understand, even read through the verses a few times, read it slowly, there's no rush, and let the Holy Spirit do the rest in helping to bring you a greater understanding.

God Bless You.

So to summarize it, the Bible is very clear on being saved through faith in Jesus Christ by the grace of God.

And the Trinity, if you believe all these verses below, they all point towards LORD our God.

"LORD our God" is seen many times throughout the Old Testament, but here's a reference from Psalms.

The Father - Lord our God
Psalm 113:5
"Who is like the "LORD our God," Who dwells on high,"

The Son - Jesus Christ, Jesus is Lord
1 Corinthians 12:3
"Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that "Jesus is Lord " except by the Holy Spirit."

The Holy Spirit - The Lord is the Spirit
2 Corinthians 3:17

"Now "the Lord is the Spirit," and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

 

[Waiting on him]

Malachi 2:10 KJV
Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

 

[Waiting on him]

Has anyone ever considered that the understanding of the Trinity could only be a product of exposure to orthodoxy, and not a product of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Waiting on him]

It's possible it's only a product of a married church.

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm of Westley, I'm of Paul, I'm of Augustine,I'm of Appollos, I'm of Luther??...

WHO IS YOUR DADDY?

 

[Waiting on him]

John 10:30 KJV
I and my Father are one.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Because you posted this....



Straight after I posted this....



Why do you think I tagged you?

Because you assumed I read your post to @Enoch111 telling him not to post reams of information. Well, guess what? That's right, I didn't see nor had I read your post to him.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.
the topic of the OP is, "Is my salvation based upon my knowledge of the Trinity?", I have read many of the post here, and some, not all, are from half truth, which is a full lie in disguise, to down right misunderstanding. (which some just don't understand, but that's ok). to answer the topic question, NO. but, but do one need to know God the SAVIOUR, or lets be blunt here, ... JESUS .... YES. so having knowledge of the doctrine of the trinity is not prerequisite for salvation, but KNOWING the truth of who God is. for SALVATION is not based on a LIE, but TRUTH. so if the trinity concering who God is is TRUE, then your salvation is secure, because your "BELIEF" is based on TRUTH. for "BELIF" means, an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. so if the trinity is a statement TRUTH your salvation is TRUE.

the flip side is this, if the statement of the TRINITY is NOT "TRUE", then your SALVATION is based on a LIE, and then one's "BELIEF" is NOT TRUE. if One's beliefs in JESUS is not true, (based on a statement of a LIE), then one has no part in him, JESUS, the Saviour. for you "KNOW" him not, nor he know you. for salvation is based on "TRUTH in God the Saviour, Jesus the Christ. this is concering salvation. and SALVATION is based on the Foundation of TRUTH. a lie has no foundation, and so not TRUE.

once one has escaped, "SAVED", now one can add.
2 Peter 1:4 "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2 Peter 1:5 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2 Peter 1:6 "And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2 Peter 1:7 "And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2 Peter 1:8 "For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.e
2 Peter 1:9 "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2 Peter 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2 Peter 1:11 "For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ".

so if one get the FIRST thing right, "BELIEF" the truth, then one is sure, and grow in christ. so to KNOW JESUS in "TRUTH" is "sure".

PICJAG.

 

[Truther]

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Salvation is solely by Acts 2:38.

One's concept of the Godhead can come later.

The trinity idea did not come until the 5th century anyway.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Oh Lord have mercy, not another thread about the trinity. For the hell of it, you can ask yourself this question. Did the Father kill himself and raise himself from the dead three days later? If the answer is no, then your salvation is assured because the atonement was legitimate. If the answer is yes, then that casts doubt on the atonement by default, because it raises the question on if he actually died or not.

There are scriptures that say the Father raised Jesus from the dead.
There are scriptures that say the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead.
There are scriptures that say Jesus raised Himself from the dead.

Therefore, it was the Trinity that raised Jesus from the dead.

 

[Joseph77]

Not therefore. i.e. it is not flowing from the previous .....