Mark of the Beast?

[reformed1689]

I know this is a topic that has been discussed endlessly among Christians but if you will endure one more thread I have been searching this for a while now.

What first caught my attention and got my mind to seek a deeper understanding was the scripture in
1 Kings 10:14
14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.

If we look back at the law for kings in Deuteronomy 17, It prohibits the king from multiplying horses and chariots, wives, and wealth. This is exactly what Solomon is doing in 1 Kings 10-11. Chapter ten begins by commending his great wisdom, but then steps through his decline - that is, he begins violating the rules for kings by multiplying gold (666 talents a year), multiplying horses and chariots, and finally multiplying wives who turn his heart away from following Yahweh. He sets up centers of false worship for all the foreign gods of his wives. So, the number 666 is associated with Solomon in his fall, his abuse of power, and his turning away from true worship of Yahweh.

In Revelation, Jesus sets up worship interactions under the symbol of business transactions - buying and selling.

I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.

This is picked up in chapter 13 with reference to worship in the false temple - the image set up by the beast which must be worshiped on pain of death. Everyone must worship the image, but no one may do so without the mark. The buying and selling referred to here is of the same kind established by Jesus in chapter 3. It is worship - spiritual transactions.

Now go to Nebuchadnezzar....
Daniel 3:1 1King Nebuchadnezzar made a golden statue sixty cubits high and six cubits wide, and he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon.

King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its breadth six cubits... And the herald proclaimed aloud, “You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, that when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace.”

Nebuchadnezzar is acting as a beast (and later, even more so) and sets up an image to be worshiped. Again, we have six and sixty associated with worship of a false image on pain of death.

All of this comes together in the name and number of the man - 666. This sums up man in his fallen state. The number carries with it the fallen glory of Solomon, his degraded wisdom, his failure to follow the word of God, his abuse of power, and his allowing himself to be turned aside to the worship of impotent gods.

Now let's move to the NT:
1 Timothy 6:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

There are more scriptures but here is my point...
wealth was the downfall of Solomon, Nebuchadnezzar, and according to 1 Timothy caused many to err from the faith when they coveted it.
Money is an idol to so many people.

So now to today's economy....if the U.S. economy collapses the whole world economy collapses....
Digital money is now being sold and bought as a world currency....(bitcoins for one)
Is it possible that the mark of the Beast will be this world currency in the form of digital money?

any thoughts?

Nope. Not a chance.

 

[Joseph77]

Show your scripture...

You did not show yours .... there is NOTHING about dna in Scripture. Period.

There is A LOT against the new age type thinking in Scripture, - many warnings.

These will be brought forth, God Willing, By His Direction. (He may let people be /continue to be deluded, as in His Word He Says He Does some times - it is up to HIM)

 

[Joseph77]

Scripture warnings: (against the new age garbage)

Number in Scripture | Dr. E.W. Bullinger

SHORT excerpt:

"
"The Law of the LORD is perfect."

We take the high ground of making everything else submit to it. Instead of making the Bible agree with science, science must agree with the Bible. If it does not, it is only because it is "science falsely so-called," and not real science. Scientia is the Latin word for knowledge. Whereas very much of what goes by the name of "science" to-day is not science at all. It is only hypothesis! Read man's books on this so-called science, and you will get tired of the never-ending repetition of such words as "hypothesis," "conjecture," "supposition," etc., etc. This is the reason that such theories, which are falsely dignified by the name of science, are constantly changing. We talk of the "Science of Geology," or of "Medical Science"; but read books on geology or medicine, for example, written fifty years ago, and you will find that they are now quite "out of date." But truth cannot change. Truth will never be "out of date." What we know can never alter! This of itself proves that the word science is wrongly used when it is applied only to hypotheses, which are merely invented to explain certain phenomena.

It is not for such theories that we are going to give up facts. It is not for conjectures that we are going to abandon truth. Man must offer us something better than his own thoughts if he wants us to give up the thoughts of God. In the Bible we have got something certain and something perfect. Every fact and truth which is discovered only helps to prove its truth and to exhibit its perfection. No monument that has ever been dug up—no manuscript that has ever been discovered, has ever been other than an evidence of Bible truth! We are not afraid of any phenomena which may be observed in the rocks, or of any monuments or tablets which may be dug up from beneath them. These are not, and never have been, contrary to the Word of God. It is only man's interpretation of them which is against that Word, because it is only his thoughts which oppose it.

"The Law of the LORD is perfect."

Man, and all his thoughts are imperfect; so imperfect that he has failed even to take proper care of God's perfect Word."

 

[Helen]

Wrong.

For heaven sakes...give it a break!

STOP talking down to everyone.
You are NOT the final authority on everything.
I have walked with the Lord since 1964 56 years..., and I know how to trust and hear from the Holy Spirit, as do others here.

Stop correcting everyone.. you are a bossy bully.

I have YET to see you say even just once .....
" In my mumble opinion" IMHO
Or " as I see it ".
Or " What I believe is"

You have an opinion about every persons post.
Keep your opinions about other people to yourself...and just post what you personally feel that you see in scripture.

 

[Joseph77]

Stick with Scripture if you hope to make any sense at all.

 

[Joseph77]

With the high number of posts from unbelievers, or just in error, it is impossible for anyone to keep up with them, right? The moderators on any forum have plainly said as much OFTEN, including this forum.

If you want to continue 'learning' errors, then do so. No one I know of can stop that.

For those who care for the truth, and want to learn the truth FROM SCRIPTURE, IN HARMONY WITH ALL SCRIPTURE<

and not from sons of disobedience, triksters, hipsters, or whoever from all over te world,

we, Ekklesia, hope to expose the errors plainly and clearly, as directed throughout ALL the BIBLE, for all Ekklesia.

 

[Helen]

Nope. Not a chance.

See David...that is just a negative comment...it does enlighten me, teach me, or tell me anything at all!!

 

[Dcopymope]

@Heart2Soul

I believe the economy will eventually convert to a cashless grid, and it will be used to coerce the populace into taking the mark. If you don't take it, they can just press a button to block you from accessing your bank account. But I don't think taking the mark will be mandatory right off the bat, because I'm fairly certain many people will in fact take it voluntarily. We know most will go along with it just looking at how compliant everyone is with being regimented by the state due to the Covid-19 hype. At least 70%-80% of the population are instantly suggestible, and if the mark is sold to them the right way, it will be a done deal. Whenever the big 'They' wants to introduce something, it often starts off as "voluntary", and then it eventually becomes mandatory once enough people already accepted it. The boiling frog method is often the most effective method to get people to go along with whatever you want.

And even after it becomes mandatory, I think it will eventually be a death penalty if it is found that you don't have it. Now as far as what the mark itself really is, I really can't say for sure, except that it has to be some type of object that goes inside of you since it is tied to the economy. I can say with some certainty how we will know for sure when the mark arrives, by how its marketed to us. You see, there is this other guy that arrives on the scene after the first beast, simply called "the second beast", who rises out of the earth. He comes on the scene with his "dragon" speech performing all sorts of miracles, calling down fire from heaven, deceiving the world into making an "image" of the first beast, and causing this "image" to speak as if it were alive. It is by these miracles that he causes all to receive the mark. Notice that it doesn't say they were forced.

(Revelation 13:11-16) "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. {12} And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. {13} And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, {14} And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. {15} And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. {16} And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

Now John says that we will be able to identify the mark by the number 666, being the number of a man. Many people believe that the man being referred to is Adam, who was created on the sixth day of creation. If this is the case, then I believe that John is saying the mark will be sold to us as the beginning of a new human species, or a second Adam. It will be claimed that if we take the mark we will become god like beings just like the first beast, who sits in the temple and declares himself God.

 

[Helen]

@Heart2Soul

I believe the economy will eventually convert to a cashless grid, and it will be used to coerce the populace into taking the mark. If you don't take it, they can just press a button to block you from accessing your bank account. But I don't think taking the mark will be mandatory right off the bat, because I'm fairly certain many people will in fact take it voluntarily. We know most will go along with it just looking at how compliant everyone is with being regimented by the state due to the Covid-19 hype. At least 70%-80% of the population are instantly suggestible, and if the mark is sold to them the right way, it will be a done deal. Whenever the big 'They' wants to introduce something, it often starts off as "voluntary", and then it eventually becomes mandatory once enough people already accepted it. The boiling frog method is often the most effective method to get people to go along with whatever you want.

And even after it becomes mandatory, I think it will eventually be a death penalty if it is found that you don't have it. Now as far as what the mark itself really is, I really can't say for sure, except that it has to be some type of object that goes inside of you since it is tied to the economy. I can say with some certainty how we will know for sure when the mark arrives, by how its marketed to us. You see, there is this other guy that arrives on the scene after the first beast, simply called "the second beast", who rises out of the earth. He comes on the scene with his "dragon" speech performing all sorts of miracles, calling down fire from heaven, deceiving the world into making an "image" of the first beast, and causing this "image" to speak as if it were alive. It is by these miracles that he causes all to receive the mark. Notice that it doesn't say they were forced.



Now John says that we will be able to identify the mark by the number 666, being the number of a man. Many people believe that the man being referred to is Adam, who was created on the sixth day of creation. If this is the case, then I believe that John is saying the mark will be sold to us as the beginning of a new human species, or a second Adam. It will be claimed that if we take the mark we will become god like beings just like the first beast, who sits in the temple and declares himself God.

Good and very interesting post.
Food for thought.
Thank you.

 

[Base12]

child sacrifice; building altars to foreign gods in high places; erecting Asherah poles within the temple; worshipping the stars and heavenly bodies; and using fortune telling, omens, mediums, sorcery, and necromancers.

Okay you mentioned that before....(sorry I forgot).....but I can't help but believe it is associated somehow to what is the ROOT of ALL EVILS....

I believe that the final straw was the last sin on the list...

2 Chronicles 33:7
"And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen before all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever"

It was creating an Image and placing it in the Temple of God that did him in. It's when an 'Abomination' sits in the Holy Place that's when the end comes...

Matthew 24:15
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand"

What will happen?

Matthew 24:21
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be"

Since the Body is the Temple, placing an 'Image' or 'Mark of the Beast' in it, is the same as the Abomination of Desolation.

 

[Heart2Soul]

@Heart2Soul

I believe the economy will eventually convert to a cashless grid, and it will be used to coerce the populace into taking the mark. If you don't take it, they can just press a button to block you from accessing your bank account. But I don't think taking the mark will be mandatory right off the bat, because I'm fairly certain many people will in fact take it voluntarily. We know most will go along with it just looking at how compliant everyone is with being regimented by the state due to the Covid-19 hype. At least 70%-80% of the population are instantly suggestible, and if the mark is sold to them the right way, it will be a done deal. Whenever the big 'They' wants to introduce something, it often starts off as "voluntary", and then it eventually becomes mandatory once enough people already accepted it. The boiling frog method is often the most effective method to get people to go along with whatever you want.

And even after it becomes mandatory, I think it will eventually be a death penalty if it is found that you don't have it. Now as far as what the mark itself really is, I really can't say for sure, except that it has to be some type of object that goes inside of you since it is tied to the economy. I can say with some certainty how we will know for sure when the mark arrives, by how its marketed to us. You see, there is this other guy that arrives on the scene after the first beast, simply called "the second beast", who rises out of the earth. He comes on the scene with his "dragon" speech performing all sorts of miracles, calling down fire from heaven, deceiving the world into making an "image" of the first beast, and causing this "image" to speak as if it were alive. It is by these miracles that he causes all to receive the mark. Notice that it doesn't say they were forced.



Now John says that we will be able to identify the mark by the number 666, being the number of a man. Many people believe that the man being referred to is Adam, who was created on the sixth day of creation. If this is the case, then I believe that John is saying the mark will be sold to us as the beginning of a new human species, or a second Adam. It will be claimed that if we take the mark we will become god like beings just like the first beast, who sits in the temple and declares himself God.

This is what @Base12 is also saying....transhumanism.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I believe that the final straw was the last sin on the list...

2 Chronicles 33:7
"And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen before all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever"

It was creating an Image and placing it in the Temple of God that did him in. It's when an 'Abomination' sits in the Holy Place that's when the end comes...

Matthew 24:15
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand"

What will happen?

Matthew 24:21
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be"

Since the Body is the Temple, placing an 'Image' or 'Mark of the Beast' in it, is the same as the Abomination of Desolation.

Okay this brings it into a better understanding...thank you so much.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Scripture warnings: (against the new age garbage)

Number in Scripture | Dr. E.W. Bullinger

SHORT excerpt:

"
"The Law of the LORD is perfect."

We take the high ground of making everything else submit to it. Instead of making the Bible agree with science, science must agree with the Bible. If it does not, it is only because it is "science falsely so-called," and not real science. Scientia is the Latin word for knowledge. Whereas very much of what goes by the name of "science" to-day is not science at all. It is only hypothesis! Read man's books on this so-called science, and you will get tired of the never-ending repetition of such words as "hypothesis," "conjecture," "supposition," etc., etc. This is the reason that such theories, which are falsely dignified by the name of science, are constantly changing. We talk of the "Science of Geology," or of "Medical Science"; but read books on geology or medicine, for example, written fifty years ago, and you will find that they are now quite "out of date." But truth cannot change. Truth will never be "out of date." What we know can never alter! This of itself proves that the word science is wrongly used when it is applied only to hypotheses, which are merely invented to explain certain phenomena.

It is not for such theories that we are going to give up facts. It is not for conjectures that we are going to abandon truth. Man must offer us something better than his own thoughts if he wants us to give up the thoughts of God. In the Bible we have got something certain and something perfect. Every fact and truth which is discovered only helps to prove its truth and to exhibit its perfection. No monument that has ever been dug up—no manuscript that has ever been discovered, has ever been other than an evidence of Bible truth! We are not afraid of any phenomena which may be observed in the rocks, or of any monuments or tablets which may be dug up from beneath them. These are not, and never have been, contrary to the Word of God. It is only man's interpretation of them which is against that Word, because it is only his thoughts which oppose it.

"The Law of the LORD is perfect."

Man, and all his thoughts are imperfect; so imperfect that he has failed even to take proper care of God's perfect Word."

This is an opinion from someone who does not supply scripture.
God created everything and everything created is made of DNA molecules....there is nothing wrong with discussing our DNA makeup in connection with scripture.

 

[Base12]

@Base12 is there any relevance to what this person said in post 13?

Whenever I see a post that tries to solve the riddle of 666, I always look to see if they are posting lots of verses. The reason is that I believe God reveals Mysteries by 'splitting them up' and distributing the clues throughout Scripture. Once One finds enough of these verses, the Mystery can be revealed.

The great thing about this method is that there is no need to look outside of the Bible for answers. There is no need to look at history and to this Leader or that President. No need to look at the Pope or Vatican. No need to look at Microchips or Barcodes. No need for Gematria or other 'tricks' to find the Code.

The bottom line is that anyone who has read the Bible over the last two thousand years could have figured out what 666 and the Mark of the Beast was because God revealed it in the Old and New Testaments.

All One has to do to understand the Mark for example, is to begin searching for that word. The very first occurrence is in Genesis...

Genesis 4:15
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him"

Thus the Student must study and discern what the Mark of Cain was to see if it matches the Mark of the Beast. I have done enough research to believe they are one and the same.

Next, we could look at the word 'Forehead' to see if anyone else in the Bible received a Mark on the Forehead...

Ezekiel 3:9
"As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house"

An Adamant is a Diamond. Ezekiel received a 'Diamond Mark' on the Forehead to match the Rebellious House. We now know that a Diamond is Carbon which is 666.

6 Neutrons
6 Protons
6 Electrons

That's great for us, but how would they know back then that the Diamond is the Mark of sin? The Bible revealed it...

Jeremiah 17:1
"The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars"

Iron is the Iron Kingdom and the Diamond is the 'Clay'. We saw in an earlier thread that Tables of the Heart was DNA. The verse describes how sin is written in the Heart via DNA 'engraving'.

If we keep going, we find that Diamond also means 'Thorns'...

The Ancients would know of the Shamir Worm that built the Temple. Think of DNA that builds the Body. Now we're back to King Solomon who, as legend has it, used the Shamir Worm to construct Solomon's Temple...

Solomon's shamir - Wikipedia

So how does this relate to Gold and 666?

So this is just my dumb theory, but if the 666 Talents were a TAX and 666 is Carbon, then maybe God is warning us that one day there will be a Universal Currency called a 'Carbon Credit' or 'Carbon Tax'...

 

[Heart2Soul]

Whenever I see a post that tries to solve the riddle of 666, I always look to see if they are posting lots of verses. The reason is that I believe God reveals Mysteries by 'splitting them up' and distributing the clues throughout Scripture. Once One finds enough of these verses, the Mystery can be revealed.

The great thing about this method is that there is no need to look outside of the Bible for answers. There is no need to look at history and to this Leader or that President. No need to look at the Pope or Vatican. No need to look at Microchips or Barcodes. No need for Gematria or other 'tricks' to find the Code.

The bottom line is that anyone who has read the Bible over the last two thousand years could have figured out what 666 and the Mark of the Beast was because God revealed it in the Old and New Testaments.

All One has to do to understand the Mark for example, is to begin searching for that word. The very first occurrence is in Genesis...

Genesis 4:15
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him"

Thus the Student must study and discern what the Mark of Cain was to see if it matches the Mark of the Beast. I have done enough research to believe they are one and the same.

Next, we could look at the word 'Forehead' to see if anyone else in the Bible received a Mark on the Forehead...

Ezekiel 3:9
"As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house"

An Adamant is a Diamond. Ezekiel received a 'Diamond Mark' on the Forehead to match the Rebellious House. We now know that a Diamond is Carbon which is 666.

6 Neutrons
6 Protons
6 Electrons

That's great for us, but how would they know back then that the Diamond is the Mark of sin? The Bible revealed it...

Jeremiah 17:1
"The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars"

Iron is the Iron Kingdom and the Diamond is the 'Clay'. We saw in an earlier thread that Tables of the Heart was DNA. The verse describes how sin is written in the Heart via DNA 'engraving'.

If we keep going, we find that Diamond also means 'Thorns'...

The Ancients would know of the Shamir Worm that built the Temple. Think of DNA that builds the Body. Now we're back to King Solomon who, as legend has it, used the Shamir Worm to construct Solomon's Temple...

Solomon's shamir - Wikipedia

So how does this relate to Gold and 666?

So this is just my dumb theory, but if the 666 Talents were a TAX and 666 is Carbon, then maybe God is warning us that one day there will be a Universal Currency called a 'Carbon Credit' or 'Carbon Tax'...

I can absolutely see this....okay teacher....onward and upward! Moving forward to continue to seek all this hidden wisdom!
You have really done an excellent job in how you have presented all this.
Thanks again!

 

[Enoch111]

I know this is a topic that has been discussed endlessly

Beaten to death.

 

[Helen]

Beaten to death.

Yet no one has ever really shown anything really convincing yet.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Beaten to death.

Yes it has! I kind of wanted to specifically invite @Base12 to share his thoughts because he has spent years studying this....and as per usual I was not disappointed in what he had to share.

 

[Enoch111]

All of this comes together in the name and number of the man - 666. This sums up man in his fallen state.

Plus Satan in his malevolent state + the Antichrist is his blasphemous state (he is the Arch Blasphemer). Let's not forget that 666 is BOTH the number of the Beast and the number of a man. Therefore it is the BRAND of the Antichrist on the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the wicked, who are placed under strong delusion to believe the Satanic lies of the Antichrist.

What should be expected is the every person who succumbs to the Antichrist will have an electronic marker with a number such as 666-49687324 or something similar.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Genesis 4:15
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him"

Thus the Student must study and discern what the Mark of Cain was to see if it matches the Mark of the Beast. I have done enough research to believe they are one and the same.

This is extremely valuable to me as I never considered Cain's mark.....now I have to go study it.
You sure you don't want to write a book?!