After pestilences the next sign listed in Luke is great signs in the Sky

[Dave Watchman]

That was funny, although I assume you were not trying to be. Popes did all sorts of evil things. Claiming the seals of heaven must have been opened if a pope got arrested is ridiculous.

I'm glad I could tickle your funny bone.

Not all the seals of heaven, just the 1st.

It was February 1798. 1260 years after the three kings were plucked up by their roots.

"Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.​

The bow is 5115. toxon. From the base of tikto; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric) -- bow.

A bow made of fabric. Like a blue ribbon given to the Winner of a race, or the bow placed on a free gift.

The crown is 4735 stéphanos. The crown awarded to the Victor in a race, the crown of victory.

Stephanos was also used for the "crown" of thorns placed on the head of Christ at His trial.

Be careful not to put the Bad Guy in the place of where Jesus is supposed to be dad.

And be of good cheer,
For He has overcome the world.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Revelation only really covers 3.5 years, so I highly doubt we are that deep.

That's interesting.

If you say so.

I see it going from the day of baby Jesus, and though the Foxe Book Days of Pay Pal persecution where the Dragon was chasing the woman for 1260 years in Revelation 12. Then the Dragon going off to make war on her offspring, standing on the shores of the sea in 1798.

After a 217 year intermission, the composite beast of Revelation 13 rising from the sea of many peoples in 2015 with the Papal head appearing to have been healed from it's wound as it opened it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in heaven..

We probably could be pretty close to the thousand years of Revelation 20.

That's what I'm trying to figure out right now.

Is it beginning this year right now, or in the summer of 2022.

Just adding up the prophetic time periods, a 217 year intermission, a one year delay, I'm eye balling about 2,481.5 years.

If I put in another "heptad" counting from the "darkened" sun of January 2019, it's 2,488.5.

I just wouldn't bank on us having a final seven, until Messiah the Prince. But even if there is, Jesus was gone in the middle of the week. We also might be gone in the middle of the week.

Which would be around summer 2022.

I bet something is happening sooner, like now.

1,260
217 +
--------------------------
1,477 =
1,000 +
--------------------------
2,477 =
3.5 +
1 +
7 +
--------------------------
2,488.5 =

We're just about finished the hard part, the last third of Revelation will be downhill all the way.

Stay safe, when people are saying peace and safety.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Timtofly]

That's interesting.

If you say so.

I see it going from the day of baby Jesus, and though the Foxe Book Days of Pay Pal persecution where the Dragon was chasing the woman for 1260 years in Revelation 12. Then the Dragon going off to make war on her offspring, standing on the shores of the sea in 1798.

After a 217 year intermission, the composite beast of Revelation 13 rising from the sea of many peoples in 2015 with the Papal head appearing to have been healed from it's wound as it opened it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in heaven..

We probably could be pretty close to the thousand years of Revelation 20.

That's what I'm trying to figure out right now.

Is it beginning this year right now, or in the summer of 2022.

Just adding up the prophetic time periods, a 217 year intermission, a one year delay, I'm eye balling about 2,481.5 years.

If I put in another "heptad" counting from the "darkened" sun of January 2019, it's 2,488.5.

I just wouldn't bank on us having a final seven, until Messiah the Prince. But even if there is, Jesus was gone in the middle of the week. We also might be gone in the middle of the week.

Which would be around summer 2022.

I bet something is happening sooner, like now.

1,260
217 +
--------------------------
1,477 =
1,000 +
--------------------------
2,477 =
3.5 +
1 +
7 +
--------------------------
2,488.5 =

We're just about finished the hard part, the last third of Revelation will be downhill all the way.

Stay safe, when people are saying peace and safety.

Peaceful Sabbath.

I cannot argue with what you know.

My own numbers has to do with God’s physical creation of 8000 years and Einstein's true view of spacetime. Current human science in their cosmology and evolution is a vitual reality Satan himself taught. Using concrete math to figure out abstract thoughts is a sure and irrefutable delusion.

Any way, 2000 years from the 14 of Nissan 30 AD the Day Jesus Died on the Cross is 2030, the end of the church age.

Daniel's 70th week is the last 7 years and a 7 day Second Coming.

It is also the end of Adam's 6000 year punishment. God punished Adam with 6000 years of labor, 6 days a week, and 6 hours a day. That punishment is coming to an end.

 

[prism]

I read 'earthquakes' as next on the agenda.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
(Mat 24:7)
Oh wait, we already have those.

 

[Heart2Soul]

The weird thing is this Keras quote is stuck in my computer.

I was going to answer, but decided against it.

I think I was going to say the only string puller is the Dragon, who is giving his power, and his throne, and his great authority to the composite beast.

This Orchestrator is working BEHIND the scenes, not yet revealed to the masses.

I'd say this is not a regular stain of any flu virus.

The IMF said we're headed into a global depression worse than the 30's.

The flu usually don't do that.

This is the first of the signs that the Dragon is given the power to do on behalf of the composite beast.



Luke 21 is tricky. Like a Day of the Lord prophecy. Near, far, near.

Jesus moves around in time.

At verse 12, He shifts from our end times, and speaks to the Old Time Jews,

"But before all this.​

Then at verse 25, Jesus shifts back to our end times

“There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars.​

I think these, for the most part, have already been given since 1994, 2015, 2017 and 2019.

I think we're waiting right before this begins:

"On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.​

"People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.​

There's probably a certain amount of time between the verses.

There's probably something even worse than this virus on the way.

He will even cause fire to fall from heaven in the full view of men.

It all doesn't happen in 30 days.

Maybe there's also a delay that's baked in the cake.

Silence for half a hora.

Waiting for our brothers and fellow servants.

Jesus will not lose any that the Father gives Him.

We can't leave without them.

Welcome to the forum dad.

Have you been amazed at how many super blood moons we have had in the past 3 years? And just last week there was a super pink moon....and all the super blue moons?

 

[dad]

I'm glad I could tickle your funny bone.

Not all the seals of heaven, just the 1st.

It was February 1798. 1260 years after the three kings were plucked up by their roots.

"Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.​

In the verses before the first seal was opened the scene is in heaven.
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth

I have not noticed that believers are ruling the world now.

In 1798 (or any other time) I have not seen every person and animal on earth and every angels and spirit saying what was said

13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

The bow is 5115. toxon. From the base of tikto; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric) -- bow.

A bow made of fabric. Like a blue ribbon given to the Winner of a race, or the bow placed on a free gift.

The crown is 4735 stéphanos. The crown awarded to the Victor in a race, the crown of victory.

Your guesses as to what the bow was don't really matter.

Be careful not to put the Bad Guy in the place of where Jesus is supposed to be dad.

How or why would I do that? BY not believing some pope in 1798 was what the opening of the first seal was all about?

 

[dad]

I read 'earthquakes' as next on the agenda.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
(Mat 24:7)
Oh wait, we already have those.

OK. Fair enough. That would mean earthquakes as well as great signs in the heavens if this also was referring to the start of the very end period. Of course, there were earthquakes and etc before also. But the ones that kick off the time of tribulation, also known as labor pains (sorrows) are of particular importance here.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows

The sense could be, then, that just before or at the start of the very final period referred to as a woman in labor and the great time of tribulation such as the world has never seen, we will see these things. (not that they also to some extent also were not seen through history!)

 

[Dcopymope]

@dad

I think the only two sign's we need to be looking for when it comes down to it are those directly associated with the fourth seal or the pale horse and with the Day of the Lord, the sixth seal. At least these are prophecies Satan can't fake through the media. If you see people drop dead in the streets for multiple different reasons, be they due to plagues, famines, wild animal attacks, and you see the sun turn black, the moon turn red, and the stars fall from the sky followed with an earthquake and God showing his face in the sky, then you'll know the end times aren't that far behind. You can rejoice about it if you wish, I sure as hell won't be, because its only the beginning of the end.

 

[prism]

OK. Fair enough. That would mean earthquakes as well as great signs in the heavens if this also was referring to the start of the very end period. Of course, there were earthquakes and etc before also. But the ones that kick off the time of tribulation, also known as labor pains (sorrows) are of particular importance here.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows

The sense could be, then, that just before or at the start of the very final period referred to as a woman in labor and the great time of tribulation such as the world has never seen, we will see these things. (not that they also to some extent also were not seen through history!)

My point was that the order of events are interchangeable in the Gospel accounts.

 

[dad]

I think the only two sign's we need to be looking for when it comes down to it are those directly associated with the fourth seal or the pale horse and with the Day of the Lord, the sixth seal.

What is it you think the day of the Lord is? A day? A period? I am interested in knowing the times we are living in. If the beginning of sorrows or the great tribulation is marked by several signs then it seems wise to be aware of this. We want to be ready, and not asleep.

At least these are prophecies Satan can't fake through the media. If you see people drop dead in the streets for multiple different reasons, be they due to plagues, famines, wild animal attacks, and you see the sun turn black, the moon turn red, and the stars fall from the sky followed with an earthquake and God showing his face in the sky, then you'll know the end times aren't that far behind. You can rejoice about it if you wish, I sure as hell won't be, because its only the beginning of the end.

Well, the signs do include pestilences followed by great signs in the heavens we read in Luke. People are dying. The beginning of that time of labor pains (sorrows) pr tribulation is important! When we know we are really near that time, we can almost hold our breath till the kingdom comes.

 

[dad]

My point was that the order of events are interchangeable in the Gospel accounts.

Well, in Luke and Matthew I see they are the same except earthquakes are also mentioned in Matthew.

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
Not comets or asteroids or supermoons probably. But great signs that absolutely stun people and probably have never been seen before.

Actually the coment Hale/Bopp was a prophetic sign which hadn't been seen before, -- given that the previous naked-eye visibility duration was approximately 3 months, but Hale/Bopp was visible for approximately 9 months. And a 300% change is significant, and the prophetic event was also significant.

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

What is it you think the day of the Lord is? A day? A period? I am interested in knowing the times we are living in. ...

It's one thing to be "interested", but it's another to actually find out. -- And if you are actually INTERESTED in FINDING OUT, -- you'll be the first.

Everyone else runs away from Scripture that disturbs their comfort zone.
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

The end of the world started in Jesus day. So they were right. The final sequence of events culminating in a seven-year period is yet to come.

The angel said when we travel some 60 to 600 mph, and have instant knowledge literally at our fingertips, (Dan. 12:4 & 9). So anyone who assigns fulfillments to some 483BC is a LIAR (both Scripturally and Historically).

Maybe these prophecies are for the era approximate to 1948.
Bobby Jo

 

[prism]

Well, in Luke and Matthew I see they are the same except earthquakes are also mentioned in Matthew.

Matthew 24:7-9 (KJV) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Luke 21:11-12 (KJV) And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

In Matt persecutions come after; in Luke, persecutions come before. Again, the order is interchangeable, the important thing is that the events happen.

 

[Dcopymope]

What is it you think the day of the Lord is? A day? A period? I am interested in knowing the times we are living in. If the beginning of sorrows or the great tribulation is marked by several signs then it seems wise to be aware of this. We want to be ready, and not asleep.

Oh you can be certain that you won't be sleeping. That earthquake will certainly wake everyone the hell on up.

Well, the signs do include pestilences followed by great signs in the heavens we read in Luke. People are dying. The beginning of that time of labor pains (sorrows) pr tribulation is important! When we know we are really near that time, we can almost hold our breath till the kingdom comes.

There are tons of examples you can use throughout history as signs for the first five seals. Nations rising, conquering, falling, wars, plagues, famines, economies crashing, believers dying for the testimony of Jesus, etc. Will it all come to a crescendo preceding the Day of the Lord? Perhaps, but as things get worse, there will be further attempts to consolidate power from nations into economic trade unions, which will only be sped up especially after the Day of the Lord. Satan and his cronies never lets a good crises go to waste. The first four trumpets in particular are shining examples of crises situations that will certainly be used to their advantage to the fullest extent. You can get more done with ten years of crises and turmoil than you can with ten years of peace and stability. This is why their motto is 'order out of chaos'. Whether that chaos be real or manufactured, doesn't matter to Satan.

 

[dad]

Actually the coment Hale/Bopp was a prophetic sign which hadn't been seen before, -- given that the previous naked-eye visibility duration was approximately 3 months, but Hale/Bopp was visible for approximately 9 months. And a 300% change is significant, and the prophetic event was also significant.

Bobby Jo

OK. But I think the great signs will be absolutely unheard of and beyond belief almost. Not something we read on page 14 of a newspaper.

 

[dad]

It's one thing to be "interested", but it's another to actually find out. -- And if you are actually INTERESTED in FINDING OUT, -- you'll be the first.

Everyone else runs away from Scripture that disturbs their comfort zone.
Bobby Jo

We all will find out I guess when we are in it. But it seems that this recent pestilence has affected us all and the whole world. So I have to think that maybe it could be something related to that final time. If it is the sequence spoken of in Luke and Matthew that kicks off the beginning of labor pains is starting and this pestilence is part of it, that is wonderful news for believers! That means that we will be taken up to be with Him soon and that He will wrap up the rest of history and the promises to Israel, etc here when we go.

 

[dad]

The angel said when we travel some 60 to 600 mph, and have instant knowledge literally at our fingertips, (Dan. 12:4 & 9). So anyone who assigns fulfillments to some 483BC is a LIAR (both Scripturally and Historically).

Maybe these prophecies are for the era approximate to 1948.
Bobby Jo

The actual great tribulation is only in that seven-year period of the very end. The other wars and earthquakes and famines and etc etc that happened all prepared the world for this time. However, the labor pains only start when the 'baby' of the kingdom is coming.

 

[dad]

Matthew 24:7-9 (KJV) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Luke 21:11-12 (KJV) And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

In Matt persecutions come after; in Luke, persecutions come before. Again, the order is interchangeable, the important thing is that the events happen.

Simple. The early church had persecutions. Others in history did also. Those were before the final time of tribulation. There will also be persecutions IN the final seven years! THOSE are after the period starts. They are not interchangeable, only spaced out. some before and some during. The ones during can be counted as signs of the very end!