Where in the bible does it say I need to use it

[DNB]

That was my point.

We either build up, or we tear down. We gather, or we scatter.

So which was it?

Hm.

Well, did you read the post that he called crap? Did it sound like I was joking around, or considered my own writing to be crap? I joke around a little at times, but I clearly wasn't there. So no, I don't think that my post was crap, or the forum, I think that his remark was crap for asking me a silly question. I'm sorry, but you're sort of doing the same thing right now?
If you were to post a serious exposition on a Christian doctrine, and I was to say to you 'you know that's crap, don't you?' I would not expect you to say, 'yes, of course I do, good for you to pick up on that'.
You see what I mean?

 

[DNB]

Personally I find that idea so illogical as to be useless. Jesus was very insistant and certain. So were the Apostles. So have been many people who were none-the-less right.

IMO it's just psychobabble for the purpose of denial.

Well yes, being firm on one's position can be a sign of understanding and conviction, ...or stubbornness and denial. I think for uninspired exegetes as ourselves, as opposed to the great men that you mentioned, it's prudent to be slightly cautious in our dogmatics. Simply because we're fallible, dull and rarely have enough faith to be guided by the Spirit. So, as a rule, fanaticism is self-incriminating.

 

[jaybird]

i have thought about this subject a lot. i think in a way the scriptures can hold you back. there are no writings of Jesus, there is no passage in scripture that mentions Jesus writing, there is no passage with Jesus calling for a scribe before He starts teaching. Jesus was taught by the Father, the 12 were taught by the one sent by the Father. Jesus teaches He will send the spirit. why do we not seek guidance the way Jesus and the 12 did?
if i was stuck on an island with no bible the Most High would still exist.

 

[mjrhealth]

Yep, that's right after Jesus told them to search the scriptures.

and after HE said this bit you choose to ignore

Joh_5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

and christians dont and they wont and so they have no life. Dont trust God or His Spirit or Christ but a book written interpreted and copyrighted by man.

 

[mjrhealth]

i have thought about this subject a lot. i think in a way the scriptures can hold you back. there are no writings of Jesus, there is no passage in scripture that mentions Jesus writing, there is no passage with Jesus calling for a scribe before He starts teaching. Jesus was taught by the Father, the 12 were taught by the one sent by the Father. Jesus teaches He will send the spirit. why do we not seek guidance the way Jesus and the 12 did?
if i was stuck on an island with no bible the Most High would still exist.

Amen to that

 

[mjrhealth]

Amen to that

And we should add, if we turned off all the electricity and burned all the bibles His word would still exist.

 

[FHII]

and after HE said this bit you choose to ignore

Joh_5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

[Edit]. I didn't notice this in my first draft of this post:. You didn't bring that verse up! Why would I acknowledge a verse unless it's presented? If you want me to discuss a verse, bring it up.

Even so, I did discuss the context and you quoted me as doing so. The verse I quoted puts it in context. Jesus was dealing with unbelievers. He advised them to search the scriptures (after all, this is what this thread is about). The scriptures testifies of him. They authenticated him, yet they weren't believing what the scriptures said.

Jesus didn't come with no scriptures, he came with full backing of them.

Now did you acknowledge my main point and question? That is:. Does the Holy Spirit contradict scripture?

 

[marks]

and rarely have enough faith to be guided by the Spirit.

That's a sad commentary. Trust Him!

 

[marks]

Well, did you read the post that he called crap? Did it sound like I was joking around, or considered my own writing to be crap? I joke around a little at times, but I clearly wasn't there. So no, I don't think that my post was crap, or the forum, I think that his remark was crap for asking me a silly question. I'm sorry, but you're sort of doing the same thing right now?
If you were to post a serious exposition on a Christian doctrine, and I was to say to you 'you know that's crap, don't you?' I would not expect you to say, 'yes, of course I do, good for you to pick up on that'.
You see what I mean?

I'm sorry, I wasn't being sufficiently clear. I didn't mean you. I didn't think there was anything wrong with your post. I thought you answered just fine!

Wouldn't that be the day, to get a reply like . . .

"Ah yes good chap, quite right you know, I really was full of crap on that one, wasn't I?"

But then that's been me so far this morning. Not starting the day off so good!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes, of course it took on a much different meaning 16 years later (awareness of sin, defiance to God, God's grace, faith....)

All I really needed to know was that the Bible declares Jesus to be Lord of All, so I realized that I needed to start obeying Him. I knew that His death took care of my sin, that was the flannelgraph, when the teacher removes the piece of felt to show the black circle of an empty tomb. But that was enough.

Really, it was more about getting to that simplicity.

Much love!

 

[mjrhealth]

[Edit]. I didn't notice this in my first draft of this post:. You didn't bring that verse up! Why would I acknowledge a verse unless it's presented? If you want me to discuss a verse, bring it up.

Even so, I did discuss the context and you quoted me as doing so. The verse I quoted puts it in context. Jesus was dealing with unbelievers. He advised them to search the scriptures (after all, this is what this thread is about). The scriptures testifies of him. They authenticated him, yet they weren't believing what the scriptures said.

Jesus didn't come with no scriptures, he came with full backing of them.

Now did you acknowledge my main point and question? That is:. Does the Holy Spirit contradict scripture?

You missed the point, He was using the OT to explain to the"pahrriesees " who He was and for all they had few accepted Him, Now we have Gods Spirit, you know this bit,

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

but people still stuck in the old.

Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

How do you thing Paul learned of the things of God "without" a bible.

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ

or did you miss this bit

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

but men are still yet carnal, seeking the physical not searching out for the"spiritual" things of God

 

[FHII]

You missed the point, He was using the OT to explain to the"pahrriesees " who He was and for all they had few accepted Him, Now we have Gods Spirit, you know this bit,

Yea That's right! He didn't discard the OT, he relied on it and taught it to his disciples. There is no way to use any of this discourse to support any notion, if you have such, to dismiss scripture when Jesus obeyed it, was prophecies in it and taught it.

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

I've already explained this...

but people still stuck in the old.

That's interesting, because there came a new... Yet you completely seem to be discarding that based on your perception of what Jesus said.

How do you thing Paul learned of the things of God "without" a bible.

Paul already new the scriptures before he was called. Yes, he called it dung... But not because it was (otherwise, why did he teach from it?).

Paul received many things from Christ, but let's not forget that he spoke at length with Peter as well. Furthermore, we cannot look at Paul's education by revelation as ours. I have brought this up before.... If everyone was to receive the revelation in the same manner as Paul, why did he even have a ministry? Why did he have to labor to travel and teach others? Why do you have to quote him if God did the same for you?

Jesus in the spirit revealed himself to Paul, and Paul was commissioned to reveal Christ to others. Christ chose not to reveal himself to everyone directly as he did to Paul... He did to Paul and let him reveal Jesus.

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by

I know that "bit" very well... Are you going to rely on this verse as inspired when in the same book Paul says faith comes by hearing and how can you hear without a preacher?

He didn't say faith comes by the Holy Spirit whispers sweet nothing to you directly:. You need a preacher.

Yes, we are Children of God because we are left by his spirit. The difference between us is I believe, as does the Bible, that it is done through the Bible and those who teach it. You seem (as far as I can tell) to believe it's what God tells you personally without regard to the Bible. That would not only make you a prophet, but a very unique one as none of the other prophets disregarded the Bible.

Or did the Holy Spirit leave Paul when he wrote that?

I am formally withdrawing my question as to whether the Spirit can contradict scripture. I see no future in your answering it anyway.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

you do?

i'm fam with the brochure, Barney, but that does not moot the point wadr

Yes it does, you see people like you, keep The Only True God Jehovah and his Only Begotten Son Jesus out of the picture when it comes to a discussion like this. Jehovah God and his Only Begotten Son Jesus moot the point, not that someone like you will believe that, since you don't think that much about God or his Only Begotten Son.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes it does, you see people like you, keep The Only True God Jehovah and his Only Begotten Son Jesus out of the picture when it comes to a discussion like this. Jehovah God and his Only Begotten Son Jesus moot the point, not that someone like you will believe that, since you don't think that much about God or his Only Begotten Son.

well, appreciate it, always great to catch up on what i think

 

[DNB]

That's a sad commentary. Trust Him!

It's rare to see anyone with the Spirit, if at all. I don't think that it's as easy to just say 'trust Him'?

 

[DNB]

I'm sorry, I wasn't being sufficiently clear. I didn't mean you. I didn't think there was anything wrong with your post. I thought you answered just fine!

Wouldn't that be the day, to get a reply like . . .

"Ah yes good chap, quite right you know, I really was full of crap on that one, wasn't I?"

But then that's been me so far this morning. Not starting the day off so good!

Much love!

Sorry if I misunderstood your point. I didn't think that you thought my post was crap, but maybe misconstrued my reply to byrd.
Apparently not.
...yes, exactly, your gentleman Brit impression, as far as the sentiment was concerned, was precisely my point.

 

[DNB]

All I really needed to know was that the Bible declares Jesus to be Lord of All, so I realized that I needed to start obeying Him. I knew that His death took care of my sin, that was the flannelgraph, when the teacher removes the piece of felt to show the black circle of an empty tomb. But that was enough.

Really, it was more about getting to that simplicity.

Much love!

Interesting. ...It's funny how it affects all types of people, in rather different ways, .....each viable, but each one's testimony is different.
A good lesson in evangelism, '...become all things, to all men...'

 

[mjrhealth]

. You need a preacher.

No "we", dont "you" do.

All claim to be spiritual till the things of the spirit are discussed than everyone runs and ducks for cover.

There is only one truth that is Christ Jesus

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

what ever happened to Jesus, where did He get lost in the fog of religion and mans ignorance.

 

[FHII]

No "we", dont "you" do.

Well, let's see....

Romans 10:14 KJV
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Yes, I need a preacher! You don't? Are you exempt from this somehow?

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Look, I understand you are going to cherry pick verses to suit your belief, but you are quoting the same guy who said you need a preacher. Yes... Paul received it that way. One of the Revelations he got from Christ is that YOU need a preacher. God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

So if you don't need preaching, maybe you don't believe. Because believers need preaching. I believe... So this verse says I need a preacher to be saved. How bout you? Do you believe? Do you need to be saved?

You need a preacher to hear. Maybe you don't need to hear. I do. Do you?

Frankly, I wasn't taught by man either... It was the revelation of Christ. Just like Paul. But this verse doesn't say "by Christ". It says of Christ. The revelation of Christ was revealed by a man by the the Spirit. In other words, the Holy Spirit taught through a man.

It was an upgrade from a dumb ass.

You are going to focus on the dumb ass comment and ignore all the points that refute your opinions, aren't you?

 

[mjrhealth]

Well, let's see....

Romans 10:14 KJV
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Yes, I need a preacher! You don't? Are you exempt from this somehow?


Look, I understand you are going to cherry pick verses to suit your belief, but you are quoting the same guy who said you need a preacher. Yes... Paul received it that way. One of the Revelations he got from Christ is that YOU need a preacher. God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

So if you don't need preaching, maybe you don't believe. Because believers need preaching. I believe... So this verse says I need a preacher to be saved. How bout you? Do you believe? Do you need to be saved?

You need a preacher to hear. Maybe you don't need to hear. I do. Do you?

Frankly, I wasn't taught by man either... It was the revelation of Christ. Just like Paul. But this verse doesn't say "by Christ". It says of Christ. The revelation of Christ was revealed by a man by the the Spirit. In other words, the Holy Spirit taught through a man.

It was an upgrade from a dumb ass.

You are going to focus on the dumb ass comment and ignore all the points that refute your opinions, aren't you?

Oh so now you have run out is down to name calling. The truth upsets man, God said no idols, not of the things of heaven or earth, but when men have idols to defend....

Should I repeat myself

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

bible not included...

Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

But choose your way, God id give us free will.

Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

there is no other way but Christ