A question for mormons.

[Prayer Warrior]

We are quick to condemn the Mormons for their non-biblical traditions and all the while hold some ourselves. Where do we see ANYBODY in scripture "receiving Jesus as their Lord and savior"? Where is the sinner's prayer mentioned except with "Lord be merciful to me a sinner"? Where was anyone saved by "asking Jesus into their heart"? I to believe in salvation by faith alone but we must weigh these words of the Lord Jesus carefully and recognize that true faith brings obedience and that grace empowers us to do so. Can anyone provide another recipe for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit besides what is spoke of here?

Jn 14:15-17
If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jn 14:23-24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

I don’t see anyone condemning Mormons. I certainly don’t condemn them. Some of us are concerned about their unscriptural beliefs, meaning doctrines that blatantly contradict the Bible. Ironically, I have felt condemned for pointing these contradictions out.

 

[shepherdsword]

Read the verses.

They promise salvation to those who receive the Lord and/or call upon His name in prayer.

The sinner's prayer is not mentioned in the verses you present. Also Rev 3:20 is written to a CHURCH...a church that has denied His words, His teaching and His will,similar to the state of the American church today.Your whole religious tradition is based on cherry picking verses and ripping them out of context. Your tradition fails to reconcile the entire council of God but instead sets bible verses one against another,as if there was a contradiction.

I don’t see anyone condemning Mormons. I certainly don’t condemn them. Some of us are concerned about their unscriptural beliefs, meaning doctrines that blatantly contradict the Bible. Ironically, I have felt condemned for pointing these contradictions out.

We are wise to point out the errors of others while ignoring our own...that's all I am saying.

 

[justbyfaith]

The sinner's prayer is not mentioned in the verses you present.

In the sinner's prayer we pray to receive Christ. Combine John 1:12 with Matthew 7:7.

Also Rev 3:20 is written to a CHURCH...

A church that does not have salvation (Revelation 3:16). Jesus is on the outside knocking.

There is no reason why this cannot be applied to the fact that Jesus knocks on the door of every heart so that men might receive Him according to John 1:12.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

We are quick to condemn the Mormons for their non-biblical traditions and all the while hold some ourselves. Where do we see ANYBODY in scripture "receiving Jesus as their Lord and savior"? Where is the sinner's prayer mentioned except with "Lord be merciful to me a sinner"? Where was anyone saved by "asking Jesus into their heart"? I to believe in salvation by faith alone but we must weigh these words of the Lord Jesus carefully and recognize that true faith brings obedience and that grace empowers us to do so. Can anyone provide another recipe for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit besides what is spoke of here?

Jn 14:15-17
If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jn 14:23-24 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

You are 100% that all Christians have their traditions. While I don't find these traditions to be inherently bad (some are quite helpful), it's important to always keep the Lord Himself first.

Point of clarification: when I was referring to accepting Christ, I wasn't referring specifically to the Sinner's Prayer. LDS Christian's don't hold the tradition of a specific recited Sinner's Prayer the way Evangelicals do. LDS Christian focus is more of the general act of accepting Him and follow Him. It's something we work on for a lifetime+.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I don’t see anyone condemning Mormons. I certainly don’t condemn them. Some of us are concerned about their unscriptural beliefs, meaning doctrines that blatantly contradict the Bible. Ironically, I have felt condemned for pointing these contradictions out.

(Speaking in general)

Having disagreements is fine.

Having disagreements and holding a attitude disrespectful is bashing, and that's not ok. We always should treat people with love and respect, less we becoming clanging cymbal (1 Col 13).

 

[justbyfaith]

(Speaking in general)

Having disagreements is fine.

Having disagreements and holding a attitude disrespectful is bashing, and that's not ok. We always should treat people with love and respect, less we becoming clanging cymbal (1 Col 13).

No one is persecuting you, Jane.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

No one is persecuting you, Jane.

My comment was in general.

But I have been repeatedly and regularly persecuted for my beliefs and acceptance of Christ here, including on this thread.

 

[justbyfaith]

My comment was in general.

But I have been repeatedly and regularly persecuted for my beliefs and acceptance of Christ here, including on this thread.

But not for righteousness' sake.

Because the lie of Mormonism is unrighteousness.

btw, I have been persecuted also: and for the right reasons; although you seem to think otherwise

 

[shepherdsword]

I don’t see anyone condemning Mormons. I certainly don’t condemn them. Some of us are concerned about their unscriptural beliefs, meaning doctrines that blatantly contradict the Bible. Ironically, I have felt condemned for pointing these contradictions out.

In the sinner's prayer we pray to receive Christ. Combine John 1:12 with Matthew 7:7.



A church that does not have salvation (Revelation 3:16). Jesus is on the outside knocking.

There is no reason why this cannot be applied to the fact that Jesus knocks on the door of every heart so that men might receive Him according to John 1:12.

If an entire church can be deceived into believing it is saved when it is not then how much more an individual? This typically happens by taking something out of context and spinning it into whatever conforms to our paradigm. There is no sinner's prayer for salvation in the bible. There is no asking of Jesus into our hearts in the bible. There is no accepting Jesus as your "personal" savior in the bible. However, some will defend the concept unto the end.

 

[justbyfaith]

My comment was in general.

But I have been repeatedly and regularly persecuted for my beliefs and acceptance of Christ here, including on this thread.

And in fact, no one has persecuted you personally; although we have certainly exposed your beliefs for what they are: in contradiction to the teaching of God's word.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

But not for righteousness' sake.

Because the lie of Mormonism is unrighteousness.

btw, I have been persecuted also; although you seem to think otherwise: and for the right reasons.

justbyfaith, this post is once again you persecuting me, being disrespectful, and blind to learning because you don't care what I say. That's not righteous, that's arrogance. And it convinces people to reject the things you teach.

And in fact, no one has persecuted you personally; although we have certainly exposed your beliefs for what they are: in contradiction to the teaching of God's word.

False.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jhn 1:12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Rom 10:13, For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:9, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Praying a proper sinner's prayer consists of doing all of these things.

 

[justbyfaith]

justbyfaith, this post is once again you persecuting me, being disrespectful, and blind to learning because you don't care what I say. That's not righteous, that's arrogance. And it conceiving people to reject the things you teach.

No one is persecuting you. Your beliefs are being exposed for what they are, and that is all. There is a difference between attacking someone's beliefs and attacking their person. We have only done the former with you.

 

[justbyfaith]

And it convinces people to reject the things you teach.

I don't think that sane people will reject solid exposition of the word of the Lord.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I don't think that sane people will reject solid exposition of the word of the Lord.

You're not the Lord.

No one is persecuting you. Your beliefs are being exposed for what they are, and that is all. There is a difference between attacking someone's beliefs and attacking their person. We have only done the former with you.

I've repeatedly explain how I believe that a person needs to accept Christ and become His disciple in order to be saved.
You keep trying to put me into some mold where you think I believe salvation comes by works.

That's downright ignoring me and what I believe, incredibly arrogant & disrespectful. Not "exposing".

@justbyfaith, I acknowledge what you believe as your beliefs, even if I disagree with some of them. I take the time to understand them, and treat you and them with respect. Why can you not do the same?
Why instead do you make all of these threads just to ignore what I actually believe and disrespect me?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

(Speaking in general)

Having disagreements is fine.

Having disagreements and holding a attitude disrespectful is bashing, and that's not ok. We always should treat people with love and respect, less we becoming clanging cymbal (1 Col 13).

I can agree with you about treating people with love and respect. :)

Happy Mother’s Day! I pray that your day is very blessed!

 

[justbyfaith]

You're not the Lord.

I didn't say that I was. Your point?

I've repeatedly explain how I believe that a person needs to accept Christ and become His disciple in order to be saved.
You keep trying to put me into some mold where you think I believe salvation comes by works.

No; I have said that the Book of Mormon teaches salvation by works. If you don't believe according to the Book of Mormon, then I am saying nothing about your beliefs. If you do believe according to it, then you fit into that "mold".

That's downright ignoring me and what I believe, incredibly arrogant & disrespectful. Not "exposing".

I understand that you don't believe according to your own religion's documents. And I have not ignored this. My attempt has been to expose the teachings of a cult; not necessarily your beliefs as a quasi-Mormon.

@justbyfaith, I acknowledge what you believe as your beliefs, even if I disagree with some of them. I take the time to understand them, and treat you and them with respect. Why can you not do the same?
Why instead do you make all of these threads just to ignore what I actually believe and disrespect me?

No one is disrespecting you.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

If an entire church can be deceived into believing it is saved when it is not then how much more an individual? This typically happens by taking something out of context and spinning it into whatever conforms to our paradigm. There is no sinner's prayer for salvation in the bible. There is no asking of Jesus into our hearts in the bible. There is no accepting Jesus as your "personal" savior in the bible. However, some will defend the concept unto the end.

I don’t think you know me or what I defend. I have found that salvation is a very personal event. It’s different for each individual. But if someone thinks of it in terms of “asking Jesus into their heart,” who are we to bash this?

 

[shepherdsword]

I don’t think you know me or what I defend. I have found that salvation is a very personal event. It’s different for each individual. But if someone thinks of it in terms of “asking Jesus into their heart,” who are we to bash this?

Who is "bashing" anything? I am simply inquiring about where this tradition comes from. In reality, I think everyone has to have a starting place. A sinner's prayer asking for forgiveness and the indwelling of Jesus is as good as any. In fact, I think if prayed in sincerity with true repentance then it is always answered. The problem arises when we assure someone that they are saved just because they have prayed this prayer. I have several friends who are unreachable now because they "prayed the prayer" and someone told them that's all there is to it. They have been indoctrinated and can't see past it because they have their "fire insurance". I guess you have to have the same experience with people you know to have the same concern.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I didn't say that I was. Your point?



No; I have said that the Book of Mormon teaches salvation by works. If you don't believe according to the Book of Mormon, then I am saying nothing about your beliefs. If you do believe according to it, then you fit into that "mold".



I understand that you don't believe according to your own religion's documents. And I have not ignored this. My attempt has been to expose the teachings of a cult; not necessarily your beliefs as a quasi-Mormon.



No one is disrespecting you.

Nobody believes what you think this "cult" does!
Your entire platform here is against straw man based of your single verse exegesis completely taken out of textual and theological context!

You flag me over here, to do... what? Have me endure your strawman and ignore everything I say?
That's BEYOND disrespectful!!

@justbyfaith, if you are a Christian (which I believe you are), I would ask you to stop "exposing cults" and instead listen to what is actually believed.