The Jesuits ... What is their role? Part 1 and 2

[Grailhunter]

Unfortunately this is true. You can go out and celebrate tonight for all the dead souls that had their faith snuffed out and are headed to hell.

lol Who is headed to hell....Judge Malihah

 

[Malihah]

lol Who is headed to hell....Judge Malihah

Poor Jesuits have to spend their whole life with other men just dreaming about life on the other side...LOL

 

[justbyfaith]

I can't believe you wrote that. Do you know what you're writing? People were angry with Stephen and got other people to act as false witnesses and to tell that lie.

There would have had to have been a basis for what they were saying or else it wouldn't have stuck.

Some of my best friends have been Mormon and my house is always a safe haven for them. Their missionaries have spent many a holiday and summer barbecues with me.

Then you have been sinning against the following principle:

2Jo 1:9, Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jo 1:10, If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:11, For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

In my 40 years of being a Christian and meeting Christians from all walks of life I have discovered two rock-bottom sins which are homosexuality in the world and legalism in the Church.

I agree that legalism is bad. However, there is a place for preaching the law as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ.

If anyone thinks that law-keeping will save them, that is the true meaning of legalism. But if the law is exalted so that men may understand that they are sinners in need of a Saviour, that is not only kosher but it is also conducive to the salvation of the hearer.

God has his children in all faiths and all walks of life

Even a Buddhist can come to faith in Jesus Christ and be saved; and if they continue to retain Buddhist beliefs, what matters is that they have placed their faith in Christ and His Cross. Over time, their p'sov will become more Christian and less Buddhistic, since they will be being transformed by the renewing of their mind. But if anyone, of any faith, does not believe in Jesus and His Cross, they are condemned already (see John 3:18). I do believe that there are faiths that you cannot continue to be in and also have a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. Islam is one of them; it was specifically formed (by the devil himself) in an attempt to destroy the doctrines of Christianity for those who continue to believe in it.

 

[justbyfaith]

Also, Jesus said that everyone who has been taught by the Father will come to Him.

 

[Giuliano]

There would have had to have been a basis for what they were saying or else it wouldn't have stuck.

According to that line of thinking, bearing false witness woulc be okay.

They were bearing false witness the way the people lied about Naboth and say he had blasphemed when he hadn't.

 

[justbyfaith]

According to that line of thinking, bearing false witness would be okay.

Not really.

They were bearing false witness the way the people lied about Naboth and say he had blasphemed when he hadn't.

There is evidence that they had reason to believe that he had spoken words against the holy place and the law, as Stephen in his own defense spoke forth what he had really said about it in Acts of the Apostles 7.

 

[Giuliano]

Not really.


There is evidence that they had reason to believe that he had spoken words against the holy place and the law, as Stephen in his own defense spoke forth what he had really said about it in Acts of the Apostles 7.

Acts calls them false witnesses. Why try to spin things?

 

[justbyfaith]

Acts calls them false witnesses. Why try to spin things?

Because, while Stephen did not truly blaspheme the holy place and the law, and therefore the testimony that he did so was false, it is evident to me that the Alexandrians misunderstood his words and took him for saying blasphemous words agains the holy place and the law. This is clear in Acts of the Apostles 7; where Stephen clarifies what he had said before so that there would be no more misunderstanding.

It is evident to me that Stephen may have indeed prophesied the destruction of the temple that finally occurred in 70 A.D. as a matter of fact; for he defends such a statement in Acts of the Apostles 7:48-50.

 

[Brakelite]

You don't even attempt to justify your lies by any evidence.

This thread is just an anti-Catholic, hate-fest.

Whatever evidence I provided would be written off as fake, fraudulent, and the originators as liars and deceivers. I have been offering evidence for years of Jesuit perfidy and neither you nor anyone else has accepted it in the past. Why should I think that would change?

 

[Brakelite]

What are you saying here? "Catholics have forged things, so we shouldn't be criticized if we do too." I say let him without sin cast the first stone.

I also ask if we think Jesuits have done bad things, can we forgive them? If not, then I guess we cannot expect forgiveness for the bad things we have done ourselves.

History repeats. The oath in the OP suggests an agenda. That agenda is well known apart from the oath, and it isn't fulfilled. For those who study history, they papacy, and it's military arm, the Jesuits, it is well known and equally well documented that the goals and some of the papacy is world wide dominion. Not in the sense of having the gospel of Jesus shared with all people, but in a political sense... As world governor. This particular agenda, the establishment of the pope as the leader of the NWO, has been the particular goal of the paint for many centuries, but has been particularly the focus of the last 4 Popes, the current one included. Anyone with eyes to see can see this developing... Without any assistance from oaths, prophecy, and conspiracy theories. The Vatican's own press releases and a variety of papal encyclicals promote it. The Catholics themselves however seem to think this a lie.... Clearly they don't read their own press.

 

[quietthinker]

How many countries have suffered from the likes of Jehovah's witness, Mormons and SDA. These groups are militant in spreading their falsehoods to every corner of the earth. Most Christians are familiar with Jehovah's witness and Mormons but don't know as much about SDA. SDA literally worship the Sabbath day and have made an entire religion devoted to it. They are the modern-day Galatians who have gone so deep into the law that the Sabbath has become a god to them. They talk endlessly about their god and are devoted to their god and will defend their god to the ends of the earth. At least the Jesuits have figured out that we are under the new covenant of grace and not the old covenant of law.

you need to check your information Malihah

 

[Giuliano]

History repeats. The oath in the OP suggests an agenda. That agenda is well known apart from the oath, and it isn't fulfilled. For those who study history, they papacy, and it's military arm, the Jesuits, it is well known and equally well documented that the goals and some of the papacy is world wide dominion. Not in the sense of having the gospel of Jesus shared with all people, but in a political sense... As world governor. This particular agenda, the establishment of the pope as the leader of the NWO, has been the particular goal of the paint for many centuries, but has been particularly the focus of the last 4 Popes, the current one included. Anyone with eyes to see can see this developing... Without any assistance from oaths, prophecy, and conspiracy theories. The Vatican's own press releases and a variety of papal encyclicals promote it. The Catholics themselves however seem to think this a lie.... Clearly they don't read their own press.

The Jesuits are a military organization? I thought anyone in holy orders was forbidden to carry arms.

 

[Giuliano]

Because, while Stephen did not truly blaspheme the holy place and the law, and therefore the testimony that he did so was false, it is evident to me that the Alexandrians misunderstood his words and took him for saying blasphemous words agains the holy place and the law. This is clear in Acts of the Apostles 7; where Stephen clarifies what he had said before so that there would be no more misunderstanding.

It is evident to me that Stephen may have indeed prophesied the destruction of the temple that finally occurred in 70 A.D. as a matter of fact; for he defends such a statement in Acts of the Apostles 7:48-50.

You lost me. . . .

 

[Brakelite]

The Jesuits are a military organization? I thought anyone in holy orders was forbidden to carry arms.

Military as in militant. Yet they have not been averse to using weapons when it furtherred their aims.

 

[historyb]

The are idiots or stupid

I stick with this, thank you.

 

[Grailhunter]

I stick with this, thank you.

lol the case of the sticky "Y" key

 

[Giuliano]

Military as in militant. Yet they have not been averse to using weapons when it furtherred their aims.

I think you are using loaded language. Your prejudice is showing. And I do not know of any cases when Jesuits used the weapons of war.

 

[justbyfaith]

You lost me. . . .

It's alright my heart wasn't set on you understanding anyway.

 

[Malihah]

you need to check your information Malihah

You mean like the anti-catholic SDA propaganda thread?

 

[quietthinker]

You mean like the anti-catholic SDA propaganda thread?

I mean, you need to check your information if you have any interest in what is the truth regarding your charges.