Can't believe there isn't a thread about this after what i've been seeing from here...
Speak up my American friends
Speak up my American friends
USA riots
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I thought the same thing, there was some reference to the riots on the thread about American politics.
It’s a bit of an emotive subject - I read one news article that was trying to make out that George didn’t die from asphyxiation, but ‘ other health issues ‘ and that toxins could be part of the equation. Clearly the video speaks for itself.
We had riots in London years back when the same thing happened- it’s not the best way of dealing with things. I don’t have a problem with people protesting, think there needs to be a reaction to what has happened. How can a police officer kneel on a persons neck like that and not realise that it’s going to put pressure on his windpipe - that kind of restrain should be banned.
Rita
I think that's the main point coming from the young people. It needs more than justice it needs change.
I think progress is slow but one can't deny that there has been change over history.
I time is needed to heal wounds
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Brakelite
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Not until we are under the tree of life beside those living Waters before the throne.
Brakelite
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Those riots are no longer about George Floyd. And not so sure it's about race either. Just seems to me a hell of a lot of criminals and agenda driven anarchists bent on having a good time.
Eternally Grateful
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Sadly I am not sure they ever will if we look at human history it has been one of the main issues in human society, racial and economic divide
Eternally Grateful
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One aspect of racial division in my experience is fear. You always heard that a white going into a colored neighborhood was endangering his life, and vice versa, the colored neighborhoods are seen as gang controlled areas, which are dangerous, so dangerous people try to get out of them. It is even shown on tv in movies and tv shows. So the persona is there and fear is real.
the problem is, the riots in disregard for human values and life just adds to that personal and will add to the tension, because in many’s view, the perception of a people are justified because they act out what is being said.
the saddest part is a lot of this is media driven in my view, and probably fed from some left agenda, and not the norm of the peaceful people who are trying to fight for change that in my view is needed.those guys murdered that man, and they all should be charged for willful intentional murder, they should be treated as any other murderer no matter what the color of their skin is or what jobs they hold
I fear I am watching the collapse of my nation, between corona virus, the extreme division between right and left and now this, I am losing hope my nation will recover, especially since God has been removed from society as a whole. We are witnessing in my view what happens when the blessing of God on his people cease, and God allows mankind to just do what he wants.
Yes, that was the same in London - I think you get the genuine people who are seeking to be heard, and then you get those who simply take advantage of what is going on. However you still need to address the initial incident that led to the riots, if that never happened, then the door of opportunity for the anarchist wouldn’t have arisen at this time.
You know what I find kind of weird is the awareness that quite recently there were ugly protests about the lockdowns, about freedom being taken away. People were angry, and showing it with their rifles and in many cases being intimidating to those who didn’t agree. That was okay by many, they had a right to riot , many claimed. Yet, now the protests around the USA are viewed in a different way because of the underlying issues.
Rita
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If I may
where the other riots you spoke of destroying property, looting, and setting things on fire?
You wouldn't like what I have to say.
This is a common theme in America. White Policeman kills a black. Blacks riot and destroy everything they can get their hands on.
Black victim will now be portrayed as a great man just trying to do the right thing.
These riots will continue as they are going to draw the liberal left crowd, who despise the present Trump administration, and can use this as a reason to vent their anger.
Both the racial and political divide are involved. I have always said, the divide is too great. Whether it occurs now or later, it will eventually be civil war.
All this 'unity' we Americans love to talk about is but a facade. We haven't been united in years.
Stranger
That's a racist comment!
What does the incident in Minnesota have to do with racism besides Racists looting and rioting?No, but intimidation is still not the right way to act in a protest, and if I remember rightly , there was looting in some areas. The protests/ riots are expressions of the same thing - granted one is showing itself in more extreme ways - But it’s all rooted in frustration.
I guess what I am really asking , is one seen as acceptable because It was mainly white men protesting, as opposed to this one being mainly black orientated.
I am not agreeing with how either side acted in both protests/ riots - I am not really a fan of these kind of expressions as they are both driven by emotions - and equally I am not condoning the destruction of property.
I am just trying to see if the black/ white issue creeps into the evaluation -
Rita
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I see what your saying, I do not like protests of any type, protest with your vote is what I say, of course the frustration there comes when your vote really means nothing, because the political system has failed and they start to buy votes like they have been doing for awhile now
One of the sad things is the part who claims to speak and stand up for a group are actually the party keeping them broke, and on welfare. It’s funny how many were starting to see this, at at this time. All this happens and all the progress which seemed to be occurring has been lost.
it is sad all the way around
I guess opposing parties will always seek to use situations to boost there ‘ supposedly moral high ground ‘ while being immorally involved and part of the problem.
It’s a common problem in so many countries.
How are the actual police responding to George’s death ?
I realise that they arrested the officer, but I get the impression from the timing that it was due to the video being released and the protests, rather than It being because they saw a wrong.
Rita
That's a racist comment!
Hey mate I can speak about racism.
I am a man of mixed race, and yep in all honesty I have experienced racism towards my Asian side in the past, even though I was born in Australia. The racism I had experienced in the past though was only light verbal racism and nowhere near as bad as people of Asian and other races used to cop before I was born.I definitely agree things went too far in the George Floyd case and then after, some of the protesters though believe it or not, are there for the right reason and just want those of colour to be treated more fairly in USA, racism is very real.
Then there is the rioters and looters, just there to cause damage, and use this moment as an opportunity, the rioters and looters, they are taking things way too far, it gives a bad name to those protesting for the right reason.
These racial divisions in USA right now are a result of many things building up, piling on top of each other from the past.
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In all seriousness though, I just wish people of different races can just get along.
There is a definite black/white issue; and we see that that the rule of law and order has disintegrated on both sides. Yes, white people are apt to see the burning, looting and other violence as threats. Thus there will be some whites who portray blacks as violent by nature -- and these white racists will be trying to gain influence and power by promoting the idea that whites need to suppress blacks and put them in their place.
The rule of law and order for black people is a bad joke in many places. It is in Minneapolis. When a white cop feels it's appropriate to put his knee on the neck of a handcuffed black man who's down on the ground, you can see something's desperately wrong. Then it took a long time before that cop got arrested. The excuse given was they were gathering evidence. That's right: If you're black and suspected of trying to pass a bad $20 bill, no need to wait for more evidence -- we'll slam you to the ground and kill you. Who needs more evidence? You're black -- that's enough evidence.
But if you're white -- and part of the power structure elite --- you get special treatment. We won't arrest you that fast. We'll take our time so we can collect evidence. We wouldn't want to deprive you of any rights by arresting you prematurely. What's amazing to me is the excuse given that they wanted to know the cause of death. Does it matter that much if he suffocated or if the cause of death came from some other injury? It's pretty clear that cop killed him one way or another. That cop should have been arrested fast. He could have been charged with lesser crimes if the district attorney didn't think "murder" was appropriate. Try "assault" or "suspicion of murdrer."
You can be killed for a non-violent crime like trying to pass a counterfeit bill if you're black; but if you're a white cop and commit a really serious crime, you get extra protections from the system. It made me sick to see the three other cops standing around. They stood there while a felony was being committed and did nothing to stop it. Nothing. They need to be charged for negligence of duty and as accessories to murder.
Amy Klobuchar used to be DA there. She did nothing to change that racist system. There was a case against that same cop then, and she didn't do anything about him. She can forget about Biden picking her for VP. (I have never liked her, by the way.)
So what do you do if your black and living somewhere there is no real law and order? Are black people going to feel like obeying laws when they can see they aren't protected by the police?
They should, yes, they should. The rioting we're seeing is bad for black people. Businesses that are burnt out are probably not going to rebuild there. More white people will look at black people with fear and loathing. More police will look at them as dangerous.
The basic problem right now may be the decline ofthe number of whites compared to the number of blacks and Hispanics. Whites need to get used to the fact that white candidates are less likely to get elected just because they're white. There will be more people of color in government. As it stands, Republicans tend to be more white and attract white racists. Democrats tend to be less white and attract radical groups like Black Lives Matter.
What makes it potentially even more dangerous is the fact that the more violence there is, the more polarized people on both sides will get. BLM agitators will find it easier to encourage young unemployed blacks to riot and loot. White agitators will find it easier to recruit fearful whites. Right now, we lack a President who can calm things down -- not that any President can calm everyone completely in such situations, but there have been Presidents who could calm things down a lot.
When Trump tweets, sometimes he is so ambiguous he seems to be making things worse. What did he mean by, "When the looting starts, the shoting starts"? That can be read different ways. He could mean, "Please stop looting because we don't want to have to use force to stop it." He could also be trying to make black people afraid. He could be sending white racists a message to take up arms. What did he mean? Who knows? How can we lead a leader if we don't know what he means?
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