How big is Jesus Christ now?

[Truther]

The Word (God) became flesh and dwelt among us.

So God took on the form of a servant in becoming a Man.

Is God your servant?

 

[justbyfaith]

Let's detail it now...

Do you think the body of Jesus is everywhere at once now(omnipresent)?

Or is his man sized body just fast?

If he is just fast, how can he be in 1000 places simultaneously as where 2 or 3 are gathered together on Sunday?

Is he faster than the speed of light to do this feat?

Jesus is in fact come in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7) and is also ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10).

It is in that in the Person of the Son, Jesus dwells in a finite human body; while in the Person of the Holy Ghost, He is Omnipresent.

Is God your servant?

I suppose that, in a sense, He is (Isaiah 45:11).

 

[Stumpmaster]

Let's detail it now...

Do you think the body of Jesus is everywhere at once now(omnipresent)?

Or is his man sized body just fast?

If he is just fast, how can he be in 1000 places simultaneously as where 2 or 3 are gathered together on Sunday?

Is he faster than the speed of light to do this feat?

Absolutely Yes. God has created the Universe to function according to what mankind calls the Laws of Nature, but God, and therefore Jesus and the Holy Spirit, are not bound by the Laws of Nature.

Here is an illustrative time-travel thought exercise in which you have the ability to travel from now back in time twice to June 2nd 1953.
1. The first time you are located at Westminster Abbey for the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II.
2. The second time you are located at Kathmandu where Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay are being hailed as heroes for being the first to climb Mt. Everest 4 days earlier on May 29th.
Result: On June 2nd 1953 you are in two places at once.

 

[Taken]

So God in the form of a dove descended on Himself or His human son?

Was God manifested(revealed) in the flesh of Jesus like 2 Cor 5:19 says too?

Was was God manifested AS (turned into) flesh as incarnationists prefer?

I think you guys need to stop reading through the eyes of the RCC and start over again.

Your thoughts are obscured.
I am not multiple people.
I am definitely not Catholic, or speaking on behalf of Catholics, or speaking what they preach.

Already Clearly said, God can manifest Himself in any Likeness, Manner, Timeframe "HE CHOOSES", and Call Himself Whatever HE Chooses...Yet GOD DOES NOT CHANGE.

I said NOTHING whatsoever about:

His human son, incarnation

If you are disagreeing with those things, you are disagreeing with what You said, not me.

You seemingly are struggling with understanding the difference between the limited power of mankind and the Unlimited Power of God.

 

[Truther]

Your thoughts are obscured.
I am not multiple people.
I am definitely not Catholic, or speaking on behalf of Catholics, or speaking what they preach.

Already Clearly said, God can manifest Himself in any Likeness, Manner, Timeframe "HE CHOOSES", and Call Himself Whatever HE Chooses...Yet GOD DOES NOT CHANGE.

I said NOTHING whatsoever about:



If you are disagreeing with those things, you are disagreeing with what You said, not me.

You seemingly are struggling with understanding the difference between the limited power of mankind and the Unlimited Power of God.

I agree with God's unlimited power, AKA omniscience.

Jesus on earth said he was limited, but that his unlimited Father was working THROUGH him.

After resurrecting, he said he had been given all his Fathers unlimited power.

Paul later describes how this could be, by the Col 2:9 effect on Jesus, bodily.

Jesus, after his resurrection and being made a quickening spirit, embodies all of his God's power.

God does nothing now, but by and through Jesus, qualifying Jesus as God by default.

 

[Truther]

Absolutely Yes. God has created the Universe to function according to what mankind calls the Laws of Nature, but God, and therefore Jesus and the Holy Spirit, are not bound by the Laws of Nature.

Here is an illustrative time-travel thought exercise in which you have the ability to travel from now back in time twice to June 2nd 1953.
1. The first time you are located at Westminster Abbey for the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II.
2. The second time you are located at Kathmandu where Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay are being hailed as heroes for being the first to climb Mt. Everest 4 days earlier on May 29th.
Result: On June 2nd 1953 you are in two places at once.

Good, you think that the body of Jesus is omnipresent.

Now, did you know that the vast majority of Christendom teaches that Jesus' body is little like ours is?

Did you know that they debunk Col 2:9 in the process?

Why would they teach that?, simple, they refuse to teach the 'God inside Christ" doctrine of the Bible, but teach something called an incarnation theory in replacement of it.

This came from extra-Biblical commentary and is still prevalent today.

 

[Truther]

Jesus is in fact come in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7) and is also ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10).

It is in that in the Person of the Son, Jesus dwells in a finite human body; while in the Person of the Holy Ghost, He is Omnipresent.



I suppose that, in a sense, He is (Isaiah 45:11).

Does your God humble Himself before you?

Did God ever humble Himself before any man?

Does your God serve you in humility?

 

[Taken]

I agree with God's unlimited power, AKA omniscience.

Jesus on earth said he was limited, but that his unlimited Father was working THROUGH him.

After resurrecting, he said he had been given all his Fathers unlimited power.

Paul later describes how this could be, by the Col 2:9 effect on Jesus, bodily.

Jesus, after his resurrection and being made a quickening spirit, embodies all of his God's power.

God does nothing now, but by and through Jesus, qualifying Jesus as God by default.

Well aware Jesus came to Earth as a servant,
AND Later Revealed Himself as Christ who is the Power, Wisdom and SEED of God.
Not particularly a newsflash, that which is IN God or comes forth out from God, IS God.

You seem to be confused in Gods POWER to manifest Himself in AS a man, and calling Himself a Son of man, and WHO that man Was, Jesus was calling Himself a Son of.

I also am a son of man...That man, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David...though I am NOT of Any Tribe of Israel or Married to anyone of the Tribe of Israel...yet AM, a son of the Faithful fathers of The Tribes of Israel, through Gods Way.

 

[reformed1689]

If we had access to the original kjv, we would use it.

We do have original copies of the KJV.....

It is no lie. Many things are omitted.

Name one thing that is truly omitted, meaning not present.

You forgot Luke 9:55-56. And there may even be more.

What about it?

Of course, the kjv is wrong when it says this:

Mat 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law (i.e. the word of God), till all be fulfilled.

Classic taken out of context....

 

[justbyfaith]

We do have original copies of the KJV.....

I don't...

Name one thing that is truly omitted, meaning not present.

Luke 9:55-56, in the NIV and NASB (and apparently, the Bible used by this forum also).

In the kjv:

Luk 9:55, But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56, For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

What about it?

It is omitted in certain modern versions.

Classic taken out of context....

Classic excuse to not take the holy scriptures at face value...

 

[Truther]

Well aware Jesus came to Earth as a servant,
AND Later Revealed Himself as Christ who is the Power, Wisdom and SEED of God.
Not particularly a newsflash, that which is IN God or comes forth out from God, IS God.

You seem to be confused in Gods POWER to manifest Himself in AS a man, and calling Himself a Son of man, and WHO that man Was, Jesus was calling Himself a Son of.

I also am a son of man...That man, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David...though I am NOT of Any Tribe of Israel or Married to anyone of the Tribe of Israel...yet AM, a son of the Faithful fathers of The Tribes of Israel, through Gods Way.

Well, here is what is going on with Jesus in heaven pre birth.

He is in the mind/will of God as reality.

Jesus is a human being from the creation of man to the 4th man in the fiery furnace etc.

He, as a human being, was always around in eternity per God's omniscient mind.

God transcends time, so He predicts absolutely nothing, but see's everything to come, live and in color.

God even saw our conversation before He created the world.

So, everything was made by, for and through Jesus by his God.

Nothing was made for anyone else, but the only begotten son of God.

God is that fond of His human son to do this for and through him.

And you and I would do the same thing for our kids if we were God too.

 

[reformed1689]

I don't...



Luke 9:55-56, in the NIV and NASB (and apparently, the Bible used by this forum also).

In the kjv:

Luk 9:55, But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56, For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.



It is omitted in certain modern versions.



Classic excuse to not take the holy scriptures at face value...

No, I will not let you go with that junk unchecked. Putting verses in the footnotes is not the same as omitting them. If anything it is more honest and transparent. And no, it is not an excuse to not take Scriptures at face value. It is simply recognizing that context matters and verses taken out of context are often misinterpreted.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Good, you think that the body of Jesus is omnipresent.

The Biblical Perspective:
2Co 4:14-18 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. (15) For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. (16) For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. (17) For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, works for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; (18) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Truther]

Well aware Jesus came to Earth as a servant,
AND Later Revealed Himself as Christ who is the Power, Wisdom and SEED of God.
Not particularly a newsflash, that which is IN God or comes forth out from God, IS God.

You seem to be confused in Gods POWER to manifest Himself in AS a man, and calling Himself a Son of man, and WHO that man Was, Jesus was calling Himself a Son of.

I also am a son of man...That man, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David...though I am NOT of Any Tribe of Israel or Married to anyone of the Tribe of Israel...yet AM, a son of the Faithful fathers of The Tribes of Israel, through Gods Way.

Just as long as you don't think God came to earth as a servant. That's simple unthinkable.
God is not a "servant" King.

 

[Taken]

Just as long as you don't think God came to earth as a servant. That's simple unthinkable.
God is not a "servant" King.

No need to be concerned about what I think and Believe;
I'll stick with Scripture...

Matt 20:
[27] And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your "servant:"
[28] "Even" as the "Son of man came" not to be ministered unto, but "to minister."
/ serve...

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

No, I will not let you go with that junk unchecked. Putting verses in the footnotes is not the same as omitting them. If anything it is more honest and transparent. And no, it is not an excuse to not take Scriptures at face value. It is simply recognizing that context matters and verses taken out of context are often misinterpreted.

How is it that you are unaware that Matthew took Hosea 11:1 out of context in Matthew 2:15 and applied the verse to Jesus when in the original context it was referring to Israel?

And how, in 2 Corinthians 9:6, it proclaims the prosperity gospel (in its immediate context) unless you specifically compare it to Luke 8:11?

In both these cases, sound doctrine is obtained when we take a scripture out of its immediate context and apply a topical context instead.

See 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv)....we obtain the teaching of the Holy Spirit when we compare spiritual things with other spiritual things; in other words, when we compare scripture with scripture: whether we compare it to contrasting scripture to come up with a happy medium or whether we compare it with parallel verses to strengthen the case for a doctrine in the word.

1Co 2:13, Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

How big is Jesus Christ now?

 

[farouk]

Gods Word took upon Himself, the FLESH body's Like a Man, prepared of God.

@Taken The glorious Incarnation is supremely Biblical. John 1.14; 1 Timothy 3.16; Colossians 2.9

 

[justbyfaith]

Also, putting verses in the footnotes is the same as omitting them when in doing so you are casting doubt on whether that verse really should actually be included in the word of God.

cont'd from post #296.

 

[Truther]

No need to be concerned about what I think and Believe;
I'll stick with Scripture...

Matt 20:
[27] And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your "servant:"
[28] "Even" as the "Son of man came" not to be ministered unto, but "to minister."
/ serve...

Glory to God,
Taken

Bingo.

The son of man came to serve, not God.

You hit the nail on the head with that verse.

 

[justbyfaith]

Bingo.

The son of man came to serve, not God.

You hit the nail on the head with that verse.

Jesus is the Son of man and the Son of God.

In this, He is 100% Man and 100% God in the hypostatic union.

100% x 100% = 100%.