Jacinda Adern... Traitor.

[Cristo Rei]

The Prophecies in both Daniel and Revelation have been so given that the generation which experiences and is about to experience what is coming on the Earth are not left in the dark. The pointers are clear for all who cherish truth and self honesty......as it was written for them.

We are the generation!

U reckon we are the generation to witness the end??? I think I mite read Daniel again

 

[Cristo Rei]

Hey @Enoch111 hows it going...
Remember that document u posted that had a list of objectives that the Soviets used to destroy America... Where is it???

 

[Giuliano]

Ina speech she said the following... Quote...
“The government I’m proud to lead is doing something not many other countries have tried.
We’ve incorporated the principles of the 2030 agenda in to our domestic policy making.
It is about fundamentally changing how we make decisions & therefore how we allocate resources.”

Giving your Nations sovereignty to another is treacherous.

I would characterize it as voluntarily cooperating with other nations about how to deal with climate change. I don't see it as giving up the national sovereignty of New Zealand. Nations make agreements all the time with other nations. That's not giving up their national sovereignty but rather using it in ways that don't cause unnecessary conflicts with other countries.

I have a question for you. Would you say New Zealand is giving up national sovereignty by allowing the US to launch spy satellites in New Zealand? Or it that a matter both countries agreed on?

Story here: Rocket Lab launches three more U.S. spy satellites from New Zealand

 

[Stumpmaster]

Ina speech she said the following... Quote...
“The government I’m proud to lead is doing something not many other countries have tried.
We’ve incorporated the principles of the 2030 agenda in to our domestic policy making.
It is about fundamentally changing how we make decisions & therefore how we allocate resources.”

Giving your Nations sovereignty to another is treacherous.

Hi Brakelite2. Thanks for the opportunity to provide some balance on the subject of our Prime Minister and her agenda. ["Jacinda's Join-us Agenda"]
Our Labour Governments have a tendency to pursue Marxist policies. Former Labour PM Helen Clark declared herself an atheist, and implemented as much Marxist Fabian Socialism as she could whilst in office. Jacinda Ardern (not Adern) is considered to be her protégé and is our nations foremost Marxist Socialist, with a less gradual agenda than her mentor, who was the Administrator of the United Nations Development Programme from 2009 to 2017. Although raised in Mormonism Jacinda has not continued with it, classing herself as an agnostic. One does have to wonder where her enhanced charisma and extreme popularity will lead her, our nation, and the world, but we can rest assured, the outcome of her agenda is in God's capable hands.
Quote:
Raised as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in New Zealand, Ardern left the church in 2005 because, she said, it conflicted with her personal views, in particular her support for gay rights.[186][187] In January 2017, Ardern identified as "agnostic".[186] [Source: Wkpd]

 

[Josho]

The reason why Australia and New Zealand had low covid numbers is cos we're isolated mate not cos of politicians

So you think it would have been the same if nothing was done?

Russia, USA, Brazil are examples of what can happen if the government is too slow to react.

Canada has recorded 98k cases, it possibly could have been worst than that in Australia if nothing was done.

The problem with Australia is the population densities within the cities. And on the weekend those high population densities seem to travel to other places, it can easily be seen how it could have spread, especially in the tourist hotspots, where they crowd these other locations.

We went up to 500+ a day in the peak of covid-19 before the government stepped in, to introduce restrictions, we are now at under 10, sometimes under 20 cases a day, in the nation of Australia.

I think it could possibly have been a disaster for NZ too, if they did nothing. Qatar has about 40%+ less people than the population of NZ, it's a desert nation, they had 78k cases.

Sweden has less than half the population of Australia, they acted late and have 50k cases and 4.8k deaths, moving closer to 5k, so going by that, we would possibly have 100k cases in Australia, if nothing was done.

Oman a desert nation of 4.8 million people, they are now recording 1k+ cases a day.

So I am defending J. Ardern, D. Andrews and Scomo on this one and saying they did a good job in reducing the rate and numbers of covid-19 by introducing restrictions.

 

[Josho]

So you think it would have been the same if nothing was done?

Russia, USA, Brazil are examples of what can happen if the government is too slow to react.

Canada has recorded 98k cases, it possibly could have been worst than that in Australia if nothing was done.

The problem with Australia is the population densities within the cities. And on the weekend those high population densities seem to travel to other places, it can easily be seen how it could have spread, especially in the tourist hotspots, where they crowd these other locations.

We went up to 500+ a day in the peak of covid-19 before the government stepped in, to introduce restrictions, we are now at under 10, sometimes under 20 cases a day, in the nation of Australia.

I think it could possibly have been a disaster for NZ too, if they did nothing. Qatar has about 40%+ less people than the population of NZ, it's a desert nation, they had 78k cases.

Sweden has less than half the population of Australia, they acted late and have 50k cases and 4.8k deaths, moving closer to 5k, so going by that, we would possibly have 100k cases in Australia, if nothing was done.

Oman a desert nation of 4.8 million people, they are now recording 1k+ cases a day.

So I am defending J. Ardern, D. Andrews and Scomo on this one and saying they did a good job in reducing the rate and numbers of covid-19 by introducing restrictions.

We should not forget the fact that Church doors are now open again in NZ.

 

[Cristo Rei]

So you think it would have been the same if nothing was done?

Na closing the borders was the move that helped the most. We see countries that didn't lockdown and did well.

The damage done by the lockdowns far exceeds the damage done by covid. Suicides have gone up by 50% because of the restrictions, thats 4 people dying per day, far more than covid deaths. We have increased domestic violence, child abuse, drug and alcohol use, one million unemployed, four million on job keeper, people not being treated and operated on, increase in mental health issues, the list goes on...

Months of us putting up with people getting fined for walking, gangs of police hassling people in parks, not being allowed to visit mum on mothers day and celebrate Easter, being accused of being a murderer for playing golf. And then what do the politicians do...
They allow these stupid protests to go ahead. What a slap in the face, either there is a pandemic or there isn't...

So for those reasons i don't give any credit to the state politicians, in fact i highly criticize them

 

[Brakelite]

I would characterize it as voluntarily cooperating with other nations about how to deal with climate change. I don't see it as giving up the national sovereignty of New Zealand. Nations make agreements all the time with other nations. That's not giving up their national sovereignty but rather using it in ways that don't cause unnecessary conflicts with other countries.

I have a question for you. Would you say New Zealand is giving up national sovereignty by allowing the US to launch spy satellites in New Zealand? Or it that a matter both countries agreed on?

Story here: Rocket Lab launches three more U.S. spy satellites from New Zealand

Hi Brakelite2. Thanks for the opportunity to provide some balance on the subject of our Prime Minister and her agenda. ["Jacinda's Join-us Agenda"]
Our Labour Governments have a tendency to pursue Marxist policies. Former Labour PM Helen Clark declared herself an atheist, and implemented as much Marxist Fabian Socialism as she could whilst in office. Jacinda Ardern (not Adern) is considered to be her protégé and is our nations foremost Marxist Socialist, with a less gradual agenda than her mentor, who was the Administrator of the United Nations Development Programme from 2009 to 2017. Although raised in Mormonism Jacinda has not continued with it, classing herself as an agnostic. One does have to wonder where her enhanced charisma and extreme popularity will lead her, our nation, and the world, but we can rest assured, the outcome of her agenda is in God's capable hands.
Quote:
Raised as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in New Zealand, Ardern left the church in 2005 because, she said, it conflicted with her personal views, in particular her support for gay rights.[186][187] In January 2017, Ardern identified as "agnostic".[186] [Source: Wkpd]

Above is the very reason why these issues need to be discussed. @Helen , on another thread, suggested these things become a focus to the detriment of true spirituality. And she is correct, they can. Which is why we need to keep in mind the purposes of God in these last days. He wanted is that these things, more or less, would take place. The problem we have is that genuine Christians who love Jesus to bits disaster on what is actually going on. Which can lead many to being ultimately deceived lead to many being ultimately deceived and lost. This i would seek to avoid doing all I can to discuss, investigate, uncover, and inform that we all become aware of the real issue at stake... Because if we do not see things clearly now what makes you think we will see things clearly when our eternal destiny is at stake when all these current issues come to their inevitable conclusionn? Global religious enforcement.

 

[Brakelite]

The United States and New Zealand are two very different beasts. So the globalist agenda must be implemented in these two Nations by different means. In the US there is a massive obstacle to be overcome. The constitution. New Zealand doesn't have one worth speaking of. In the US conditions and society needs to be manipulated into wanting a change to the constitution. The people need to be placed in such a state of mind that they will demand a change. And because the prime movers behind the NWO are religious... Occult... Then those changes will have to impact the concept of church and state within the constitution... Which is why there is so much debate on that issue... And why a composite of church and state is revealed in prophecy as being the principal character governing the world at the time of the second coming.
In New Zealand that isn't an issue. The prime issue there is a compliant people ignorant of the true nature of what is seeking to overturn their democracy. And land issues within the context of the Treaty of Waitingi and other founding documents. Maori sovereignty could be the biggest thorn in the side of globalists. And there's a new political party on the horizon whose leader is Maori...s Christian... And fully aware of the dangers and pitfalls of the current crisis. Yep, we are living in fascinating times.

PS...New Zealand Public Party

 

[Angelina]

Jacinda Ardern is not a traitor. She is just not a Christian. Yes, she probably is moving us toward the new world order agenda but this was going to happen anyway. How do you think the beast system gets in as predicted through the book of revelation. It's going to happen anyway we just need to be anchored in Christ when it does. To me Jacinda Ardern is new agey, liberal and a global village thinker. She is who she is...from the world and she did a great job leading us through this pandemic.

 

[Paul Christensen]

You think that giving the sovereignty if your nation into the hands of an outside power not treacherous?

We have to distinguish fact from opinion.

 

[Giuliano]

The United States and New Zealand are two very different beasts. So the globalist agenda must be implemented in these two Nations by different means. In the US there is a massive obstacle to be overcome. The constitution. New Zealand doesn't have one worth speaking of. In the US conditions and society needs to be manipulated into wanting a change to the constitution. The people need to be placed in such a state of mind that they will demand a change. And because the prime movers behind the NWO are religious... Occult... Then those changes will have to impact the concept of church and state within the constitution... Which is why there is so much debate on that issue... And why a composite of church and state is revealed in prophecy as being the principal character governing the world at the time of the second coming.
In New Zealand that isn't an issue. The prime issue there is a compliant people ignorant of the true nature of what is seeking to overturn their democracy. And land issues within the context of the Treaty of Waitingi and other founding documents. Maori sovereignty could be the biggest thorn in the side of globalists. And there's a new political party on the horizon whose leader is Maori...s Christian... And fully aware of the dangers and pitfalls of the current crisis. Yep, we are living in fascinating times.

PS...New Zealand Public Party

I think you may be influenced too much by your religious beliefs about the UN. I do not see Adern posing a threat to democracy. I simply don't see it. The more realistic question may be if she can win big enough in the next election that she doesn't need to form a coalition government. She appears quite popular.

June 1, 2010 PM Jacinda Ardern ascendant as Labour support (56.5%) is now more than double National (26.5%) three months from NZ Election

In May in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic lockdown, and amidst gradual re-opening of the NZ economy, support for Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s Labour Party has soared to 56.5%. Labour Party support is up 1.5% since April and up a stunning 16.5% since January 2020 when the two major parties were locked at 40% support each.

The rise in support for Labour is such that were an election held today Labour could govern without the help of either New Zealand First or the Greens.

National support has dropped significantly to only 26.5% in May, down 4% from April and down 13.5% since January. The large drop in support for National over the last two months has seen the Opposition replace former leader Simon Bridges with Todd Muller in late May.

This latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll on voting intention was conducted by telephone – both landline and mobile – with a NZ wide cross-section of 894 electors during April 27 – May 24, 2020. Of all electors surveyed 5.5% (down 0.5%) didn’t name a party. Electors were asked: “If a New Zealand Election were held today which party would receive your party vote?”

At the moment, the NZPP has very little support, and I can't see it taking off. I think the last thing New Zealand needs is a political party based on race and religion.

A small minority of 4% of electors support other minor parties outside Parliament.

• Of the parties outside Parliament the Maori Party is at 1.5% in May, unchanged since April and The Opportunities Party (TOP) is now on 1% (up 0.5%).

What does this party mean when they talk about taking back New Zealand for themselves? It almost sounds like a threat to expel everyone except the Maoris. I can't see that as succeeding, even among the Maori. The quote I refer to is at the very end of the video at:

New Zealand Public Party kicks off

 

[Brakelite]

I think you may be influenced too much by your religious beliefs about the UN. I do not see Adern posing a threat to democracy. I simply don't see it. The more realistic question may be if she can win big enough in the next election that she doesn't need to form a coalition government. She appears quite popular.

June 1, 2010 PM Jacinda Ardern ascendant as Labour support (56.5%) is now more than double National (26.5%) three months from NZ Election

In May in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic lockdown, and amidst gradual re-opening of the NZ economy, support for Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s Labour Party has soared to 56.5%. Labour Party support is up 1.5% since April and up a stunning 16.5% since January 2020 when the two major parties were locked at 40% support each.

The rise in support for Labour is such that were an election held today Labour could govern without the help of either New Zealand First or the Greens.

National support has dropped significantly to only 26.5% in May, down 4% from April and down 13.5% since January. The large drop in support for National over the last two months has seen the Opposition replace former leader Simon Bridges with Todd Muller in late May.

This latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll on voting intention was conducted by telephone – both landline and mobile – with a NZ wide cross-section of 894 electors during April 27 – May 24, 2020. Of all electors surveyed 5.5% (down 0.5%) didn’t name a party. Electors were asked: “If a New Zealand Election were held today which party would receive your party vote?”

At the moment, the NZPP has very little support, and I can't see it taking off. I think the last thing New Zealand needs is a political party based on race and religion.

A small minority of 4% of electors support other minor parties outside Parliament.

• Of the parties outside Parliament the Maori Party is at 1.5% in May, unchanged since April and The Opportunities Party (TOP) is now on 1% (up 0.5%).

What does this party mean when they talk about taking back New Zealand for themselves? It almost sounds like a threat to expel everyone except the Maoris. I can't see that as succeeding, even among the Maori. The quote I refer to is at the very end of the video at:

New Zealand Public Party kicks off

The NZPP is not promoting Maori sovereignty. Not is it a religious party. However, yes, it is against the UN and if they had their way would rescind all UN agreements because such agreements do severely affect the sovereignty of nations.
Why do you say my religion colors my attitude toward the UN?

 

[Brakelite]

Jacinda Ardern is not a traitor. She is just not a Christian. Yes, she probably is moving us toward the new world order agenda but this was going to happen anyway. How do you think the beast system gets in as predicted through the book of revelation. It's going to happen anyway we just need to be anchored in Christ when it does. To me Jacinda Ardern is new agey, liberal and a global village thinker. She is who she is...from the world and she did a great job leading us through this pandemic.

What pandemic? I must have missed that. I saw the martial law implemented all over the world and reports of people dying in large numbers in certain places, although it's unclear why they died. But pandemic? A disease where the recovery rate for healthy people was almost 100% is a pandemic? A disease where the number of people who died who had preexisting conditions was almost 100%? A disease that of those who contracted it, many showed no symptoms whatsoever, and almost 100% of those who did have symptoms did recover without a vaccine is a pandemic?
And regarding handling the covid well. And this is a global question. How is it helpful to quarantine the healthy... Encouraging complete and constant sanitising of the healthy... Closing down the economy... And using borrowed money to pay benefits to those who were previously happily employed and/or in business? What did that actually accomplish considering the evidence suggests most people who get covid recover anyway? What it accomplished is...

• A drastic weakening of the natural immune system so that when the predicted 'second wave' comes far more people will indeed die.

I can fully understand why people believe it was all a deliberate plan to...

• Test public response to government sanctions
• Unleash a far more insidious virus on a public already immune deficient
• Enforce mandatory vaccines which will poison the rest.
• Introduce legislation that make it legal, easier, and more streamlined for global governance.
• Deceive people into believing that government is the solution to their problems... By giving them money when in trouble (trouble they themselves instigated)... Protection against threats to health (vaccines)...a sense of despair and fear that directs them into a state of dependency on government hand outs. (Socialism)

 

[Giuliano]

The NZPP is not promoting Maori sovereignty. Not is it a religious party. However, yes, it is against the UN and if they had their way would rescind all UN agreements because such agreements do severely affect the sovereignty of nations.
Why do you say my religion colors my attitude toward the UN?

Why were you saying its leader was a Christian? You gave me that impression by saying he was a Christian. If they are not promoting Maori sovereignty, I think they should use less loaded language and not be talking about taking back the country.

Just mention the UN and you see a conspiracy. No?

 

[Brakelite]

Just mention the UN and you see a conspiracy. No?

I see an occult driven facade purporting to be a beneficent bureaucracy of voluntary member States working together to bring about global government. It is what it is. But of course it isn't alone. A variety of other organisations, some NGOs, some not, working to the same goal using different avenues of approach.
Even within the UN, different arms or tentacles are working with an agenda to accomplish that specific target. UNESCO and WHO are good examples. That doesn't mean that they don't do some good work... the end however will never justify the means, no matter how good or bad those means are.

You don't see those things? You believe the UN to be simply what it claims to be? Or what it is trying to be? An international body for the benefit and welfare of mankind?

 

[Giuliano]

I see an occult driven facade purporting to be a beneficent bureaucracy of voluntary member States working together to bring about global government. It is what it is. But of course it isn't alone. A variety of other organisations, some NGOs, some not, working to the same goal using different avenues of approach.
Even within the UN, different arms or tentacles are working with an agenda to accomplish that specific target. UNESCO and WHO are good examples. That doesn't mean that they don't do some good work... the end however will never justify the means, no matter how good or bad those means are.

You don't see those things? You believe the UN to be simply what it claims to be? Or what it is trying to be? An international body for the benefit and welfare of mankind?

I don't see an occult plot being behind the UN. People are so given to selfishness, there is no need to imagine satanic plots as motivating them. Nations belong to the UN because they think it's to their benefit; and when they get there, some of them try to affect things to their own benefit even if it hurts other nations. What's left for the Devil to do?

 

[Angelina]

What pandemic? I must have missed that.

the pandemic that Australia is not yet free from but we are....that one ;)​

 

[Angelina]

Brakelite:

I saw the martial law implemented all over the world and reports of people dying in large numbers in certain places, although it's unclear why they died. But pandemic? A disease where the recovery rate for healthy people was almost 100% is a pandemic? A disease where the number of people who died who had preexisting conditions was almost 100%? A disease that of those who contracted it, many showed no symptoms whatsoever, and almost 100% of those who did have symptoms did recover without a vaccine is a pandemic?
And regarding handling the covid well. And this is a global question. How is it helpful to quarantine the healthy... Encouraging complete and constant sanitising of the healthy... Closing down the economy... And using borrowed money to pay benefits to those who were previously happily employed and/or in business? What did that actually accomplish considering the evidence suggests most people who get covid recover anyway? What it accomplished is...

Oh boy! I'd hate to see what you are going to be like when the real proverbial SHTF. or would you even notice? Smoke and Mirrors bro, just Smoke and Mirrors....

 

[Angelina]

The TPP agreement was originally submitted by John Keys from the National party in 2016, not Jacinda Ardern
TPP signing highlights divisions in NZ