Did Jesus claim to be God?

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Notice the 2 tenses in Isaiah 9:6.

The baby/son shall be called...

This happened per the Col 2:9 effect on the son's body after his God resurrected him from the dead.

This made the baby, the everlasting Father.


The son was made the Father etc., by default.
as said, 2 Timothy 3:7 is in effect for you . for, "This made the baby, the everlasting Father." ERROR, that's all that made... :eek: that NATURAL flesh with blood was never God, nor any everlasting Father. the Son is the EVERLASTING Father.

that BABY/Child was born, the Son is never Born, please read the scriptures. the Son was "GIVEN", never born. that's why people ERROR all the time for they READ not with the HOLY SPIRIT.

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as said, 2 Timothy 3:7 is in effect for you . for, "This made the baby, the everlasting Father." ERROR, that's all that made... :eek: that NATURAL flesh with blood was never God, nor any everlasting Father. the Son is the EVERLASTING Father.

that BABY/Child was born, the Son is never Born, please read the scriptures. the Son was "GIVEN", never born. that's why people ERROR all the time for they READ not with the HOLY SPIRIT.

PICJAG.
The son was never born?

Unto us a child is not born?
 
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I don't know anything about trinitarians who do not say the Son is the Father. I just go by what Jesus said: "I and the Father are one.” John 10:30.

That says everything I need to know about the unified being of the Father and the Son.
They are one because the son had the baptism of the Holy Ghost per Luke 4:1.
 

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I don't know anything about trinitarians who do not say the Son is the Father. I just go by what Jesus said: "I and the Father are one.” John 10:30.

That says everything I need to know about the unified being of the Father and the Son.


21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: - John 17:21, 22, KJV.
 
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They are one because the son had the baptism of the Holy Ghost per Luke 4:1.
No they were One from the very beginning when the Word WAS God!
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: - John 17:21, 22, KJV.

The thing here is that we mortals will never be able to comprehend the nature of an infinite God. Job 38+ enters a dialog with God questioning God as to His nature, and God explains to Job, that he doesn't even understand the simplest things of this world, and would therefore be unable to understand the complexity of God. So God explained to Job why He wasn't even going to try.
 
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No they were One from the very beginning when the Word WAS God!


The thing here is that we mortals will never be able to comprehend the nature of an infinite God. Job 38+ enters a dialog with God questioning God as to His nature, and God explains to Job, that he doesn't even understand the simplest things of this world, and would therefore be unable to understand the complexity of God. So God explained to Job why He wasn't even going to try.
One in the same being?

I think not.

Jesus said that he prayed that we would be one as he and his Father are one.

That speaks of the Spirit in us, unifying us, as it did between he and his Father.
 

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One in the same being?

I think not.

Jesus said that he prayed that we would be one as he and his Father are one.

That speaks of the Spirit in us, unifying us, as it did between he and his Father.

Thanks for your input, but the foundation of my beliefs will remain with Scripture, much like a husband and wife become ONE, a single unity which can never be separated.
 

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One in the same being?

I think not.

Jesus said that he prayed that we would be one as he and his Father are one.

That speaks of the Spirit in us, unifying us, as it did between he and his Father.
You have your fathers seed in you, or if you prefer you have your fathers DNA, so seeing as the Father is Spirit and the Father's Spirit dwells in Jesus there we have the One God encapsulated in Jesus.
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You have your fathers seed in you, or if you prefer you have your fathers DNA, so seeing as the Father is Spirit and the Father's Spirit dwells in Jesus there we have the One God encapsulated in Jesus.
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....Equaling 2 entities...God and a man.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 

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that BABY/Child was born, the Son is never Born, please read the scriptures. the Son was "GIVEN", never born. that's why people ERROR all the time for they READ not with the HOLY SPIRIT. PICJAG.

"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us" Isaiah 9:6

You obviously have too much time on your hands!
 
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....Equaling 2 entities...God and a man.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
That is who Jesus is. He is God in the form of man. You omitted the preceding verses that tell of God our Saviour. I have often pointed out that only God can forgive our sins and it is Jesus we turn to for forgiveness so that we shall be saved.

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. (1Ti 2:3-4 KJV)

This is Jesus. Jesus is God.
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as said, 2 Timothy 3:7 is in effect for you . for, "This made the baby, the everlasting Father." ERROR, that's all that made... :eek: that NATURAL flesh with blood was never God, nor any everlasting Father. the Son is the EVERLASTING Father.

that BABY/Child was born, the Son is never Born, please read the scriptures. the Son was "GIVEN", never born. that's why people ERROR all the time for they READ not with the HOLY SPIRIT.

PICJAG.

Luke 1:31, "Listen: You will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus." Was the angel sent from God lying?
Luke 2:6-7, "While they were there, the time came for her to deliver her child. And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in strips of cloth and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn."

Mary gave birth to Jesus, her son, so what are you talking about?
 
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That is who Jesus is. He is God in the form of man. You omitted the preceding verses that tell of God our Saviour. I have often pointed out that only God can forgive our sins and it is Jesus we turn to for forgiveness so that we shall be saved.

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. (1Ti 2:3-4 KJV)

This is Jesus. Jesus is God.
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You think this...

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Really means this?....

5 For there is one God, and one mediatorY ROLE between God and men, the man ROLE OF GOD, Christ Jesus;
 

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"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us" Isaiah 9:6

You obviously have too much time on your hands!
thanks for the reprly. not really but good bible study with the Holy Ghost point thing out to us.

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Luke 1:31, "Listen: You will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus." Was the angel sent from God lying?
Luke 2:6-7, "While they were there, the time came for her to deliver her child. And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in strips of cloth and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn."

Mary gave birth to Jesus, her son, so what are you talking about?
first thanks for the reply. second no woman give birth to a spirit. for spirits are immaterial, nothing to push aganist in child birth. third all spirits are given never born. supportice scripture. Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:".
so our spirits come from God (WHO GIVE, GIVE, GIVE) the spirit to us. because when we die the spirit returns to him who "GIVE" it. and not our mothers.... understand now? only the flesh the "son" of God is born, (flesh), and not the the Son of man, (who is spirit). please understand the difference.

1. son of God is flesh, which was born. scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
now Jim B, please post any scripture in the bible that states that the "Son of God" came from heaven, please post one.

now what about the Son of Man? did he come from Heaven?, lets check the record. scripture,
#2. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
now if you believe or think that the Son of Man was born of Mary, please post the scripture to that effect.

what the angel told Mary is this, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." the son of God is NATURAL FLESH with BLOOD. that's what Mary birth. Mary or any woman do not birth spirits.

now please post any scripture stating that the son of man is born of Mary. if so, then it would be easy to disprove me. so please post the scriptures that states that the son of man was born of mary... I'll be waiting for that scripture.

so I say again, Mary never birthed JESUS, she only birthed the body or Tabernacle that he came in.

else an apology is order.

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You think this...
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Really means this?....

5 For there is one God, and one mediatorY ROLE between God and men, the man ROLE OF GOD, Christ Jesus;

I think this: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1Timothy 3:16
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first thanks for the reply. second no woman give birth to a spirit. for spirits are immaterial, nothing to push aganist in child birth. third all spirits are given never born. supportice scripture. Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:".
so our spirits come from God (WHO GIVE, GIVE, GIVE) the spirit to us. because when we die the spirit returns to him who "GIVE" it. and not our mothers.... understand now? only the flesh the "son" of God is born, (flesh), and not the the Son of man, (who is spirit). please understand the difference.

1. son of God is flesh, which was born. scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
now Jim B, please post any scripture in the bible that states that the "Son of God" came from heaven, please post one.

now what about the Son of Man? did he come from Heaven?, lets check the record. scripture,
#2. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
now if you believe or think that the Son of Man was born of Mary, please post the scripture to that effect.

what the angel told Mary is this, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." the son of God is NATURAL FLESH with BLOOD. that's what Mary birth. Mary or any woman do not birth spirits.

now please post any scripture stating that the son of man is born of Mary. if so, then it would be easy to disprove me. so please post the scriptures that states that the son of man was born of mary... I'll be waiting for that scripture.

so I say again, Mary never birthed JESUS, she only birthed the body or Tabernacle that he came in.

else an apology is order.

PICJAG.
The word 'man' means mankind or human being. In Genesis God created man, and then we read, "male and female created he them."

G444
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From G435 and ??´? o¯ps (the countenance; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man.
Total KJV occurrences: 560

Jesus speaks of himself as the Son of Man many times, meaning he is the Son of Mary, a human being, while at the same time not forgetting Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit and therefore the Son of Mary AND God. Always remembering who it was created the heavens and the earth by His WORD. The One omnipresent, eternal God is All in All. There is none like him.

Mat_8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
Mat_9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Mat_11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mat_12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Mat_13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat_13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat_16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mat_16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Mat_16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mat_17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Mat_17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Mat_17:22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
Mat_18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Mat_19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Mat_20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mat_20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Mat_24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat_24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat_25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat_26:2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Mat_26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Mat_26:45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
Mat_26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


Regarding THE Son of man with a capital S we read it is:- He Who has dominion in the earth. The title "Son of Man" occurs here first in the New Testament, where it is only applied to Christ; and always by himself and in the Gospels, with one exception—Act_7:56, It is the title of his human nature, as is the corresponding title, "Son of God," of his divine; and may be observed to be the name he takes when speaking of himself as acting in connection with earth, as the latter is the name which more immediately connects him with heaven. Accordingly, he not only designates himself the Son of Man in those passages which speak of his sufferings and humiliation; as here, and Mat_17:23; Mat_17:23; Mat_20:18-19; Mat_26:24, Joh_3:14, etc. but also, it is remarkable, in those which speak of his Second Advent and mediatorial reign on earth, as in Mat_16:27-28; Mat_24:27; Mat_24:30; Mat_24:37; Mat_24:39; Mat_24:44; Mat_25:31, Mar_8:38, Luk_21:36, Joh_5:27, See also the prophecy of "The Son of Man" in Dan_7:13-14 (in reference to which no doubt, as the prophecy which expressly so names him, the title was taken by the Savior) where it is given him in this same connection; and compare Psalms 8 all, and Psa_80:17 (De Burgh). Mat_9:6; Mat_10:23; Mat_11:19; Mat_12:8; Mat_12:32; Mat_12:40; Mat_13:37; Mat_13:41; Mat_16:13; +*Mat_16:27 note, Mat_16:28; Mat_17:9; Mat_17:12; Mat_17:22; Mat_18:11; *Mat_19:28; Mat_20:18; Mat_20:28; Mat_24:27; Mat_24:30; Mat_24:37; Mat_24:39; Mat_24:44; Mat_25:31; Mat_26:2; Mat_26:24; Mat_26:45; Mat_26:64, Psa_8:4; +**Psa_80:17, +Mar_2:10, Luk_2:7; Luk_2:12; Luk_2:16; +Luk_5:24; Luk_8:3, +Joh_1:51; Joh_12:34 note.
 
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The word 'man' means mankind or human being. In Genesis God created man, and then we read, "male and female created he them."

A fascinating passage of Scripture. Note that "male and female created he them." It does not state "male or female created he them."

So, God created us to be bi-gender, i.e both male and female.

Although I was born a male, God had not completed His creation process. That was accomplished when I got married, and became united as an inseparable unity of male and female, as is God's perfect plan.
 

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A fascinating passage of Scripture. Note that "male and female created he them." It does not state "male or female created he them."

So, God created us to be bi-gender, i.e both male and female.

Although I was born a male, God had not completed His creation process. That was accomplished when I got married, and became united as an inseparable unity of male and female, as is God's perfect plan.

Breeding pairs. Two different but equal genders. Otherwise, the human race would have died out with the death of Adam.

Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them "Humankind" when they were created. (Gen 5:2 NRSV)

And of every living thing, of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. (Gen 6:19 NRSV)

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GINOLJC, to all.
The word 'man' means mankind or human being. In Genesis God created man, and then we read, "male and female created he them."

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From G435 and ??´? o¯ps (the countenance; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man.
Total KJV occurrences: 560
First thanks for your reply. not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. the Hebrew term "MAN" or "ADAM" in the creation account have two definitions. my source, the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

A. Adam/ManH120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119

THIS WILL COVER YOUR TERM G444 IN THE "GREEK". for we're looking at the Hebrew ok.

B. H121 אָדָם 'Adam (aw-dawm') n/p.
1. (person) Adam the name of the first man.
2. (location) a place in Israel.
[the same as H120]
KJV: Adam.
Root(s): H120

We suggest you study both of these two definitions carefully.

Jesus speaks of himself as the Son of Man many times, meaning he is the Son of Mary, a human being
INCORRECT, the son of Man is no man's NATURAL, biological son. the Son of God is biologial, meaning Flesh and bone.

while at the same time not forgetting Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit and therefore the Son of Mary AND God.
while ...not "FORGETTING?" HOLD it, let's get something straight. are you saying that the HOLY GHOST birthed the Lord Jesus or Mary? no matter, it is the Holy Spirit, that concieved the child... (flesh and bone with blood in Mary's womb), which makes the Holy Spirit the "FATHER". now, cooper, you and and anyone else can attest to this, if the Child that was concieved, is not the the conceiver the Father? so it is the Holy Ghost who is actually the title holder "Father". Uh O yes, the Holy Spirit whom many put Last is the "Father". now, that's a can of worms that needs to be open.

the Holy Spirit and therefore the Son of Mary AND God. Always remembering who it was created the heavens and the earth by His WORD. The One omnipresent, eternal God is All in All. There is none like him.
HIM is Jesus, for Jesus made "all things, including man". scripture, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." so it was Jesus who made "ALL THINGS", and he did't go through anyone to make all things. for, Isaiah 44:24 states that JESUS was "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF", when he made all things. listen, "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

now if JESUS, the Spirit was alone, then
A. he didn't go through anyone,
B. by being by himself, there is no other person with with or beside him. meaning this statement in Isaiah 44:24 eliminates any three person in any trinity. READ ISAIAH 44:24 AGAIN.

PICJAG.