The golden calf and the Trinity

[CadyandZoe]

There was only one statue but it represented a God who consisted of three persons. Aaron declared that it represented the LORD, not the gods of Egypt.

Does the text tell you that or did you bring that idea with you?

There is one God but he is made up of three persons. He can correctly be described as either singular or plural.

I'm strictly focused on the Exodus account. Did you get the Trinity from the passage or did you bring it with you?
(By the way, I am not arguing against the Trinity. We are simply asking about this particular passage.)

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Reading some of the posts has convinced me that there are a lot of non-believers on this site who think that they are Christians.

Yes-or they’re pretending

 

[Cooper]

There was only one statue but it represented a God who consisted of three persons. Aaron declared that it represented the LORD, not the gods of Egypt.

There is one God, but he is made up of three persons. He can correctly be described as either singular or plural.

It looks like Moses and Aaron had different G/gods.

And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf. Then they said, "This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!" (5) So when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made a proclamation and said, "Tomorrow is a feast to the LORD." (6) Then they rose early on the next day, offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. (7) And the LORD said to Moses, "Go, get down! For your people whom you brought out of the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves.

(8) They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them. They have made themselves a molded calf, and worshiped it and sacrificed to it, and said, 'This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!' " (9) And the LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people!

(10) Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them. And I will make of you a great nation." (11) Then Moses pleaded with the LORD his God, and said: "LORD, why does Your wrath burn hot against Your people whom You have brought out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? (Exodus 32:4-11 NKJV)
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[2 Chr. 34:19]

Yes-or they’re pretending

The real question is why?

 

[farouk]

‘If’ a non-believer comes on this site...

@2 Chr. 34:19 Good observation! It's good for ppl's content to be Scriptural, right?

 

[farouk]

Judges 8:24
It was the custom for ishmaelites to wear earrings.

@2 Chr. 34:19 In Ezekiel 16.12 the Lord Himself is recorded as giving Zion earrings and a nose ring also; seems to be part of the figurative language of imputed righteousness.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

@2 Chr. 34:19 Good observation! It's good for ppl's content to be Scriptural, right?

Well, satan quoted scripture to Jesus so...

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Well, satan quoted scripture to Jesus so...

Although HIS reply set him to flight, so scriptural rebuke definitely works

 

[farouk]

Well, satan quoted scripture to Jesus so...

@2 Chr. 34:19 Good for proper context to be maintained, right?

 

[farouk]

Although HIS reply set him to flight, so scriptural rebuke definitely works

@2 Chr. 34:19 Indeed...

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

@2 Chr. 34:19 In Ezekiel 16.12 the Lord Himself is recorded as giving Zion earrings and a nose ring also; seems to be part of the figurative language of imputed righteousness.

Yes, and they took Egyptian gold too

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

@2 Chr. 34:19 Good for proper context to be maintained, right?

So anybody with access to a Bible can quote scripture, right?

 

[farouk]

So anybody with access to a Bible can quote scripture, right?

@2 Chr. 34:19 Well, it's an excellent place to go; but it's good to be able to quote it and use it in a sound and God honouring way.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

@2 Chr. 34:19 Well, it's an excellent place to go; but it's good to be able to quote it and use it in a sound and God honouring way.

So how would we know the difference between a deceiver and A Christian, when they can both quote scripture.
(Especially as ‘Even the demons believe and tremble’ & they know who Jesus is-The Holy One of G_D)

 

[farouk]

So how would we know the difference between a deceiver and A Christian, when they can both quote scripture.
(Especially as ‘Even the demons believe and tremble’ & they know who Jesus is-The Holy One of G_D)

@2 Chr. 34:19 We do need to be well versed in Scripture and develop an instinct as to what glorifies Christ.

 

[101G]

There is one God but he is made up of three persons. He can correctly be described as either singular or plural.

first thanks for the reply, second, if there are three persons, then reconcicle John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 as to WHO "MADE ALL THINGS". is this the same one person, or is this two separate persons as you claim?

I have had a few and only a few people who answerd that question correctly. the rest was deceivers, and bare false witness aganist themselves.

so theophilus in John 1:3 and isaiah 44:24 is it one or two separate persons? who mad all things.

PICJAG

 

[Cooper]

So how would we know the difference between a deceiver and A Christian, when they can both quote scripture.
(Especially as ‘Even the demons believe and tremble’ & they know who Jesus is-The Holy One of G_D)

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort (2 Timothy 2:15-17 NKJV)"

By following the above advice and being well versed in scripture ourselves, we shall know the true Christian from the pretender by their spin. They often go into the Hebrew and Greek, but the Bible supports itself alone.

The Old Testament in particular has may pitfalls by way of contradiction, for example the word LORD can be a disaster area. On one hand we read about the LORD:
Exo_10:25 Moses said, "You must let us have sacrifices and burnt offerings to offer to the LORD our God.

Eze_46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.

Isa_34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

On the other hand we read:
Isaiah 1:11 NKJV "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats.

1 Samuel 15:22 NKJV So Samuel said: "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.

Psa 40:5-6 Many, O LORD my God, are Your wonderful works Which You have done; And Your thoughts toward us Cannot be recounted to You in order; If I would declare and speak of them, They are more than can be numbered. Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; My ears You have opened. Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.

We know the LORD requires the sacrifice of the heart, and so we give ourselves to Him and don't make burnt offerings, a simple example but majoring on the wrong verses spells disaster for the individual. It is up to us to be diligent in our study, by which means we put on the whole armour of God.

 

[farouk]

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort (2 Timothy 2:15-17 NKJV)"

By following the above advice and being well versed in scripture ourselves, we shall know the true Christian from the pretender by their spin. They often go into the Hebrew and Greek, but the Bible supports itself alone.

The Old Testament in particular has may pitfalls by way of contradiction, for example the word LORD can be a disaster area. On one hand we read about the LORD:
Exo_10:25 Moses said, "You must let us have sacrifices and burnt offerings to offer to the LORD our God.

Eze_46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.

Isa_34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

On the other hand we read:
Isaiah 1:11 NKJV "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats.

1 Samuel 15:22 NKJV So Samuel said: "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.

Psa 40:5-6 Many, O LORD my God, are Your wonderful works Which You have done; And Your thoughts toward us Cannot be recounted to You in order; If I would declare and speak of them, They are more than can be numbered. Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; My ears You have opened. Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.

We know the LORD requires the sacrifice of the heart, and so we give ourselves to Him. So, it is up to us to be diligent in our study, and then we shall be well armed.

@Cooper This is also why it's such a blessing and so necessary daily to be immersed in prayer and the Scriptures.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort (2 Timothy 2:15-17 NKJV)"

By following the above advice and being well versed in scripture ourselves, we shall know the true Christian from the pretender by their spin. They often go into the Hebrew and Greek, but the Bible supports itself alone.

The Old Testament in particular has may pitfalls by way of contradiction, for example the word LORD can be a disaster area. On one hand we read about the LORD:
Exo_10:25 Moses said, "You must let us have sacrifices and burnt offerings to offer to the LORD our God.

Eze_46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.

Isa_34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

On the other hand we read:
Isaiah 1:11 NKJV "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats.

1 Samuel 15:22 NKJV So Samuel said: "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.

Psa 40:5-6 Many, O LORD my God, are Your wonderful works Which You have done; And Your thoughts toward us Cannot be recounted to You in order; If I would declare and speak of them, They are more than can be numbered. Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; My ears You have opened. Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.

We know the LORD requires the sacrifice of the heart, and so we give ourselves to Him. It is up to us to be diligent in our study, by which means we put on the whole armour of God.

satan was well versed in scripture, not babblings

 

[farouk]

satan was well versed in scripture, not babblings

@2 Chr. 34:19 ...he would misquote or misapply; whereas the Scriptures properly read glorify Christ and His work at the Cross.