Salvation Through Baptism ???

[marksman]

They did it because they believed, they showed it in this way, Acts 2.41.

Every book I have read in the last few months about the NTC have indicated that it was normal and constant that the new believer, once he had repented, was baptized by immersion in water to ensure that they not only got rid of the old man through repentance but that they put on the new through baptism.

If it was good enough for the NTC it should be good enough for us.

 

[marksman]

Hebrews 9.26 shows indeed that it's the blood of Christ that purges the conscience, not water. Ephesians 5.26 speaks of 'the washing of water by the word', which is about the cleansing effect of the Scriptures, not about water baptism.

But and I keep saying this, you DO NOT form a doctrine out on one verse of scripture.

 

[Grailhunter]

But the Blood of Jesus will wash away the sins of all who believe in Him!

Is that a wash and rinse cycle?
Ya we have not even touched on repentance....without that do not expect a single sin to be forgiven.
You ought to consider actually reading the Bible....

 

[kcnalp]

In Bulgaria they answer YES and NO by shaking their head opposite of the way we do in the USA.

If an American went to Bulgaria he might say they had it wrong.

How evasive!

 

[Mr C]

But and I keep saying this, you DO NOT form a doctrine out on one verse of scripture.

Water means water (like a rain).(Acts 8:5,12,13,26-40) (Jn 3:3-5)

 

[Mr C]

Water means water (like a rain).(Acts 8:5,12,13,26-40) (Jn 3:3-5)

OOPS!!

I meant to respond to Farouk.

 

[Mr C]

Hebrews 9.26 shows indeed that it's the blood of Christ that purges the conscience, not water. Ephesians 5.26 speaks of 'the washing of water by the word', which is about the cleansing effect of the Scriptures, not about water baptism.

The sacrifice includes the death / burial / and RESS. and without the RESS. there would be no power.

The RESS. is what showed Jesus was in fact the Messiah. (1Cor.15) (Phil.3:10) (1Peter 1:3) (2Peter 3:21)

Ro 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

1Pe 1:3 ¶ Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 ¶ The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Mr C]

Oh my, your church has deceived you. Water will not wash away your sins!

While preaching Christ to the lost in (Acts 8) the SAVING message included water. (Acts 8:5,1,13,26-40)

TRUE / FALSE

 

[Tong2020]

The thief was saved under the OT Law.

The thief was saved by grace through faith.

Tong
R0791

 

[Joseph77]

The thief was saved by grace through faith.

Tong
R0791

Amen! Halleluyah ! God Is Great! And Greatly to BE PRAISED !

 

[Tong2020]

I gave you the scriptures I'm sure you can understand it.

I like to believe that you realize that the salvation regarding Noah, Naaman, the Ephesians, in scriptures, were not speaking of the same salvation.

Tong
R0792

 

[Grailhunter]

The thief was saved by grace through faith.

Tong
R0791

And the thief was the only person on e

The thief was saved by grace through faith.

Tong
R0791

The word saved does not appear in regard to the thief and we do not know for sure
were He and Christ were going except that Christ refereed to it as paradise. But when you are with Christ there could be special circumstances because He makes the rules. Now for different reasons I would travel with Admirals and when you are with an Admiral you are never late, because Admirals are never late....they are detained.

There are different traditions as to where Christ was headed. Wherever He and the thief were headed I am sure the thief was happy he was there.

 

[Mr C]

The thief was saved by grace through faith.

Tong
R0791

So were those in (Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:15,30-34 ; 22;16)

So were the Ephesians in (Acts 19:1-6).

So were the Corinthians in (Acts 18:8)

 

[Mr C]

I like to believe that you realize that the salvation regarding Noah, Naaman, the Ephesians, in scriptures, were not speaking of the same salvation.

Tong
R0792

That is not the point.

They only received their blessing after DOING ALL THE LORD COMMANDED (Gen.6:8,22)(2Kings 5)(Rom.6:3-18)(Mark 16:16)(1Peter 3:20,21) (Col.2:11,12) (Heb.10:22) (Mt.28:18-20).

That is the point.

 

[Joseph77]

That is not the point.

They only received their blessing after DOING ALL THE LORD COMMANDED (Gen.6:8,22)(2Kings 5)(Rom.6:3-18)(Mark 16:16)(1Peter 3:20,21) (Col.2:11,12) (Heb.10:22) (Mt.28:18-20).

That is the point.

Perhaps good so far (except the references are not expanded - text with context - to read) ....

Are there not also many examples of those who lost their blessing, for disobeying ?

Usually or always seen through Scripture: A blessing, and a curse... one or the other, for each one told what to do...

 

[Mr C]

The thief was saved by grace through faith.

Tong
R0791

It may astound you to learn the word Believe can be translated as OBEY.


A Reply To A Denominational Preacher

A Reply to a Denominational Preacher

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Christianity is a system of faith, and in that arrangement the individual who is converted to Christ undergoes that change by his personal belief. God's scheme of human redemption makes salvation contingent upon one's response to His plan.

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There are a number of words in the New Testament which belong to the same family and are translated faith or belief. It would help tremendously in the understanding of the subject to examine and define these words and observe how they are used in these passages of the word of God. The root word for faith is peitho, and it means "to persuade, or to be persuaded; to confide in, trust." This word is used 55 times in the New Testament. Here are some of the uses: (1) Trust. "He trusted in God" (Matthew 27:43). This is our word for faith. (2) Persuade. "... and am persuaded of the Lord Jesus" (Romans 14:14). (3)Confidence. "We have confidence in the Lord" (II Thessalonians 3:4). (4) Obey. Some seven times this word is translated obey. "As many as obeyed him ..." (Acts 5:36). "Obey them that have the rule over you" (Hebrews 13:17). "That they should not obey the truth" (Galatians 3:1; Romans 2:8; Galatians 5:7; Acts 5:37; James 3:3).

The word obey in these passages is from peitho, the root word for faith. "As many as obeyed him ... as many as were convinced and persuaded by him." The word pistis is a cognate (that is, related by birth; belonging to the same family of words) of peitho, used 244 times in the New Testament, and following is the definition of this word faith by the standard, reputable scholars of the New Testament language.

How the Lexicons Define Faith
Pistis (faith): "Used especially of the faith by which a man embraces Jesus, i.e., a conviction full of joyful trust, that Jesus is the Messiah, the divinely appointed Author of eternal salvation in the kingdom of God, conjoined with obedience to Christ. In faith to give one's self up to" (-Henry William Thayer).

 

[Mr C]

Perhaps good so far (except the references are not expanded - text with context - to read) ....

Are there not also many examples of those who lost their blessing, for disobeying ?

Usually or always seen through Scripture: A blessing, and a curse... one or the other, for each one told what to do...

Simon in (Acts 8:13-24).

 

[Joseph77]

There are different traditions as to where Christ was headed.

Without tradition, where is it written where Christ ascended to after 40 days ? (or how ever many days)

 

[Joseph77]

It may astound you to learn the word Believe can be translated as OBEY.

It certainly is in line with all Scripture - faith without obeying is worthless, isn't it ?
Like the son who said , "Yes, father... but did NOT do what he was told".
Like the ones in Romans 2 , who have Torah (God's Instructions), but do NOT DO THEM.... and remain unjustified.

 

[Grailhunter]

Without tradition, where is it written where Christ ascended to after 40 days ? (or how ever many days)

You talking about scriptures?