Salvation Through Baptism ???

[Joseph77]

Okay - where is it written (usually understood as ) IN SCRIPTURE....

 

[Mr C]

There ya go folks, attacking the Blood of Jesus!

Jesus could forgive sins any way He wanted while on earth. (He Is The Lord)

Mt 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mt 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
Mr 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mr 2:9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
Lu 5:23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?

 

[Grailhunter]

Okay - where is it written (usually understood as ) IN SCRIPTURE....

Are you referring to 1st Peter 3:18-19.
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,

 

[Mr C]

Okay - where is it written (usually understood as ) IN SCRIPTURE....

Ac 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

 

[Marymog]

I do not know of anyone who teaches water washes away sins.

Who teaches that?

God teaches it thru Scripture: Acts 22:16, Acts 2:38-39, Titus 3:5-7

The Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Methodist and the Anglican/Episcopalians follow Scripture

 

[Marymog]

I assume you are speaking of water baptism? Well the only entity that I know that teaches water baptism saves is the Catholic Church, which is never taught in Scripture.

Simply not true on both accounts.

1 Peter 3:21 and Acts 22:16 specifically say baptism saves and washes away sin.

Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Methodist and the Anglican/Episcopalians teach baptismal regeneration. There are many other local churches that teach it. It has been taught for 2,000 years. When did your teaching begin? (hint: about 500 years ago)

 

[Joseph77]

Ac 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

God's Word is True ! Yes!

 

[Grailhunter]

How many times do the scriptures speak of water baptism in words and actions? How could anyone miss that? And not only that but the urgency to be baptized after they accepted Christ as their Savior.

 

[Joseph77]

Jesus could forgive sins any way He wanted while on earth. (He Is The Lord)

Not so, probably... (not "any way He wanted" as if any way men think possible ... )

He ONLY did as the Father Directed Him, and also never could He violate His Own Word ....

 

[Marymog]

Every book I have read in the last few months about the NTC have indicated that it was normal and constant that the new believer, once he had repented, was baptized by immersion in water to ensure that they not only got rid of the old man through repentance but that they put on the new through baptism.

If it was good enough for the NTC it should be good enough for us.

The Didache (written during NTC times) says this:

But if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head "in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost."

If it was good enough for the NTC it should be good enough for us.

 

[Grailhunter]

Not so, probably... (not "any way He wanted" as if any way men think possible ... )

He ONLY did as the Father Directed Him, and also never could He violate His Own Word ....

Yeshua = God. You do know, there are scriptures where Christ told people that their sins were forgiven.
Not only that John the Baptist was conducting baptisms for the remission of sins.

 

[Marymog]

I do not know of anyone who teaches water washes away sins.

Who teaches that?

Martin Luther, Dale Moody Twentieth-Century Baptist, James McClendon, Jr. Twentieth-Century Baptist, R. Beasley-Murray
Twentieth-Century Baptist, Howard Ervin Twentieth-Century Pentecostal

 

[Joseph77]

Yeshua = God. You do know, there are scriptures where Christ told people that their sins were forgiven.
Not only that John the Baptist was conducting baptisms for the remission of sins.

And ..... ?
Are you saying Jesus ever once, at all, disobeyed the Father !?
OR even Yochanan the immerser ?
(especially i the things posted so far)

 

[Grailhunter]

And ..... ?
Are you saying Jesus ever once, at all, disobeyed the Father !?
OR even Yochanan the immerser ?
(especially i the things posted so far)

No I said...Yeshua = God. You do know, there are scriptures where Christ told people that their sins were forgiven.
Not only that John the Baptist was conducting baptisms for the remission of sins.

 

[Mr C]

Not so, probably... (not "any way He wanted" as if any way men think possible ... )

He ONLY did as the Father Directed Him, and also never could He violate His Own Word ....

JESUS IS GOD.

 

[Joseph77]

AMEN!
The Father AND the Son are Echad ......

 

[kcnalp]

The thief was saved by grace through faith.

Tong
R0791

Amen! Jesus' Blood had been shed!

 

[kcnalp]

While preaching Christ to the lost in (Acts 8) the SAVING message included water. (Acts 8:5,1,13,26-40)

TRUE / FALSE

ONLY the Blood of Jesus washes away sins!

 

[kcnalp]

Jesus could forgive sins any way He wanted while on earth. (He Is The Lord)

And He did it with His Blood, not water baptism.

 

[Mr C]

ONLY the Blood of Jesus washes away sins!

We agree.

Did the preachers in (Acts 8) teach water baptism as a part of the gospel which saves?

YES / NO