Salvation Through Baptism ???

[Mr C]

I've never mentioned "baptism" concerning Eph 2:9! "Work" yes.



You fall on your own words when you said, "men allow others to do them. Is not the word "do" is work?

I do not teach baptismal regeneration.

I was passive when I was baptized in water. Someone else was doing the work.

It is God who is doing the work when I am baptized in water (Col.2:11,12)

The Lord is cutting away sins (not skin) at the point of water baptism (Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:15 ; 16:30-34 ; 22:16)




Are sins forgiven before or after HS baptism?

 

[Tong2020]

Baptism saves

If that is the case for you, then by all means, get yourself baptized for you to be saved. And perhaps, you go about preaching the gospel of baptism, that baptism saves.

But wait, should you not first believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Tong
R0816

 

[Tong2020]

Ro 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Clearly, what baptism is spoken in Romans 6:4 is baptism into death, not baptism into water.

Tong
R0817

 

[Marymog]

Not the Roman Catholic church, but the Church, the body of Christ, (Colossians 1:18,24) which is made up of all genuine, born again believers/Christians.

How do we as Christians identify the genuine born again believers? What criteria do YOU use?

curious

 

[Tong2020]

To PREACH CHRIST one must teach baptism in water and I KNOW THIS b/c of what (ACTS 8:5,12,13,26-40 ;16:30-34 ; 22:16) teaches.

What Bible have you read that teaching from?

The eunuch only rejoiced after being baptized in water. (Acts 8:26-40)

The jailer was only said to believe after he was baptized. (Acts 16:34)

Acts 8: 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?”

37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

Regarding the jailer, the apostles would not had baptized him if he first did not believe, as could be understood in the passage concerning the eunuch.

Tong
R0818

 

[Grailhunter]

I knew you wouldn't understand. (1 Corinthians 2:14) It's a real shame to see so much zeal wasted on UNBELIEF. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

There is nothing about my beliefs that are about unbelief.
I just do not deny the words of Christ and the Apostles. I do not believe in the whole, you are going to make up your own gospel thing! It is a dangerous business, second guessing God. The words that describe the Way to Salvation are simple, clear, and numerous. You twist the Gospel and someone losses their soul and you will pay dearly for that.

Like I said you have no argument, just disbelief in the Words of Christ.
Like I said....You cannot come up with a scripture that says water baptism in not necessary. You cannot come up with a scripture that Baptism is not important. You cannot come up with a scripture that indicate that when someone believed that they said that they would get baptized when they got around to it.

Belief and Faith in Christ + Repentance + Baptism + Communion....The Way to Heaven....As described by Christ. Satan would never obey Christ, why don't you? Satan would deny the Gospel, why do you?

Now you nor the devil can find a scripture that says that any of these Items are not important or necessary.

You preach anything else and you preach a lie!

 

[Tong2020]

How do we as Christians identify the genuine born again believers? What criteria do YOU use?

curious

God's words in scriptures.

Tong
R0819

 

[Behold]

Who decides what a heretical teaching is?

curios

Paul

 

[Joseph77]

Paul

Jesus told Paul.
Paul learned from Jesus.
They never accepted the heresies from rome, not from anyone, no, not ever.

 

[Joseph77]

There is no "we" here. Martin Luther made the distinction quite clear, along with the rest of the Reformers, and others.
The false church with false doctrines, and false teachings, falsely claims to have the authority to decide who is and who is not.... and they might never tell the truth, right ?

How do we as Christians identify the genuine born again believers?

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With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible, and never opposed to nor contrary to His Word - i.e. there are never found any idolators in heaven... etc....

What criteria do YOU use?

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus told Paul.
Paul learned from Jesus.
They never accepted the heresies from rome, not from anyone, no, not ever.

Just as a speck of humor....Paul and his family were from Tarsus, a province of Rome and Paul was a Roman citizen, and His ministry were to the people and the citizens of the Roman Empire.

 

[mailmandan]

How do we as Christians identify the genuine born again believers? What criteria do YOU use?

curious

Scripture. Those who truly believe that salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works/believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation are genuine born again believers. (Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 1:16)

 

[Grailhunter]

Scripture. Those who truly believe that salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works/believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation are genuine born again believers. (Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 1:16)

Belief and Faith in Christ + Repentance + Baptism + Communion....The Way to Heaven....As described by Christ. Satan would never obey Christ, why don't you? Satan would deny the Gospel, why do you?

There are no "works" in the Words of Christ's description of Salvation. Again all in your head. You cannot find scriptures that call Repentance, Baptism, and Communion as works....not from Christ or the Apostles. You keep coming up with beliefs that more than non-biblical, they are Anti-Christ....Anti-Gospel.

 

[Behold]

To PREACH CHRIST one must teach baptism in water (Acts 16:34)

The Apostle Paul wrote 73% of the New Testament.
Paul said...>"Jesus did not send me to water Baptize".

If you read your NEW TESTAMENT, ....do you have one?
Go directly to the "Acts of the Apostles"...(Acts), and read all 28 chapters.
You will find many "conversions", many who have been Saved, Born again.
Every time you read this, you find that they are water baptized, AFTER they are saved.
AFTER< AFTER AFTER......never during, never in place of.........
They are always SAVED and then water baptized.
The water FOLLOWS their SALVATION......never does it cause it, never is it a part of it.

Read the Gospels.
notice the dying thief.
He was saved before He died, He trusted IN Christ.
He was NOT Water Baptized on that Cross, and those Romans didnt water baptize him after he was DEAD.

You are trying to replace the Blood of Jesus with the CITY WATER SUPPLY.
Do not do this.

 

[Marymog]

God's words in scriptures.

Tong
R0819

Thanks for joining the conversation.

For 2,000 years Men have used Scripture to identify the genuine born again believers. For 2,000 years they have disagreed on who is a genuine born again believer. This disagreement exploded after the Reformation hence hundreds of different denominations that all claim they are the genuine born again believers.

Can you expound on your statement?

Thank you

 

[Marymog]

There is no "we" here. Martin Luther made the distinction quite clear, along with the rest of the Reformers, and others.
The false church with false doctrines, and false teachings, falsely claims to have the authority to decide who is and who is not.... and they might never tell the truth, right ?.

Martin Luther made the distinction? I have never heard that theory...fascinating

 

[Marymog]

Paul

Hmmmm....so no other Apostle could or did? Interesting....

 

[Philip James]

Just as a speck of humor....Paul and his family were from Tarsus, a province of Rome and Paul was a Roman citizen, and His ministry were to the people and the citizens of the Roman Empire.

And he was a co-labourer with St. Peter in Rome until they were martyred.

Peace!

 

[Grailhunter]

The Apostle Paul wrote 73% of the New Testament.
Paul said...>"Jesus did not send me to water Baptize".

If you read your NEW TESTAMENT, ....do you have one?
Go directly to the "Acts of the Apostles"...(Acts), and read all 28 chapters.
You will find many "conversions", many who have been Saved, Born again.
Every time you read this, you find that they are water baptized, AFTER they are saved.
AFTER< AFTER AFTER......never during, never in place of.........
They are always SAVED and then water baptized.
The water FOLLOWS their SALVATION......never does it cause it, never is it a part of it.

Read the Gospels.
notice the dying thief.
He was saved before He died, He trusted IN Christ.
He was NOT Water Baptized on that Cross, and those Romans didnt water baptize him after he was DEAD.

You are trying to replace the Blood of Jesus with the CITY WATER SUPPLY.
Do not do this.

If you read your NEW TESTAMENT, ....do you have one?
Go directly to the "Acts of the Apostles"...(Acts), and read all 28 chapters.
You will find many "conversions", many who have been Saved, Born again.
Every time you read this, you find that they are water baptized, AFTER they are saved.
AFTER< AFTER AFTER......never during, never in place of.........
They are always SAVED and then water baptized.
I cannot believe you are this silly. Saved is as Christ and the Apostles described. One of the most well known verse in Acts is Act 2:38 And Peter said to them, Repent and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

So show me in acts were the Apostles said you can be saved without baptism. They may believe before being baptized, but never is baptism an option. Belief and Faith in Christ + Repentance + Baptism + Communion....The Way to Heaven....As described by Christ. Satan would never obey Christ, why don't you? Satan would deny the Gospel, why do you?

You people keep coming up with your own Gospels.....not good.




The water FOLLOWS their SALVATION......never does it cause it, never is it a part of it.

Read the Gospels.
notice the dying thief.
He was saved before He died, He trusted IN Christ.
He was NOT Water Baptized on that Cross, and those Romans didnt water baptize him after he was DEAD.
The thief on the Cross went were Christ went.....nothing in the Scriptures to indicate that Christ went to Heaven immediately after the Cross.

You are trying to replace the Blood of Jesus with the CITY WATER SUPPLY.

Absolute non-sense....Belief and Faith in Christ + Repentance + Baptism + Communion....is the "Way" to Heaven because of the Blood of Christ.

 

[Mr C]

The Apostle Paul wrote 73% of the New Testament.
Paul said...>"Jesus did not send me to water Baptize".

If you read your NEW TESTAMENT, ....do you have one?
Go directly to the "Acts of the Apostles"...(Acts), and read all 28 chapters.
You will find many "conversions", many who have been Saved, Born again.
Every time you read this, you find that they are water baptized, AFTER they are saved.
AFTER< AFTER AFTER......never during, never in place of.........
They are always SAVED and then water baptized.
The water FOLLOWS their SALVATION......never does it cause it, never is it a part of it.

Read the Gospels.
notice the dying thief.
He was saved before He died, He trusted IN Christ.
He was NOT Water Baptized on that Cross, and those Romans didnt water baptize him after he was DEAD.

You are trying to replace the Blood of Jesus with the CITY WATER SUPPLY.
Do not do this.

It is always good to read the whole chapter and get the context before one speaks.

1Co 1:14 ¶ I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.