Shall we discuss this?

[Renniks]

Then God resurrected him, and fully indwelled him bodily with all that his God consists of(Col 2:9), making him God by default.

But Jesus prayed after his resurrection. When he gave thanks for food, who was he thanking? Not himself.

 

[farouk]

But Jesus prayed after his resurrection. When he gave thanks for food, who was he thanking? Not himself.

A reading of John's Gospel for examples shows clearly the distinct Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[Truther]

But Jesus prayed after his resurrection. When he gave thanks for food, who was he thanking? Not himself.

His inner God.

 

[Truther]

Just cut the doublespeak. Is Jesus God or isn't he?

Yes....he was made God after his God resurrected him etc.

He totally qualifies per the Col 2:9 effect on his post resurrection body.

 

[Truther]

No...not "rather".

You can not in Truth Separate God from Himself.

God IS Jesus' God.
God IS His Own God.
The Father, Son, Holy Spirit IS God)
(And God provides a WAY for God to be mankind's God)

God has Purposed IN Himself...
The Father, Son, Spirit, As He establishes How and in what Manners God Reveales Himself TO mankind.

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath Purposed in himself:

He creates, makes, declares, promises, swears unto Himself what He swears... Shall come to pass.

Isa 45:
[23] I have sworn by myself...

Gen 6:
[13] ...God ...could swear by no greater, he swear by himself...

Glory to God,
Taken

God is His own self, not is his own God.

Don't teach sinners the God is His own God.

the world is watching what we teach.....

 

[Truther]

No. He believes that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

Jesus AND his God are both "the Holy Ghost".

They are a combination of a human quickening spirit and God's divine Spirit.

The Holy Ghost is to be precise, God inside Christ...inside us.

 

[Truther]

If we could ask Jesus if he is God in a modern press conference, he would explain it like this....

"After I was resurrected by my Father(God), I was made a quickening spirit and I am now omnipresent, then my God fully indwelled my post resurrection body with all of the Godhead per Col 2:9."

"So yes, that is also an accurate description of God inside me after resurrecting me, ..however, as per God in my flesh on earth, or.... God in the flesh(of me) per 1 Tim 3:16, this is correct".

"And no CNN, I am not God AS flesh...that is fake news".

 

[Renniks]

His inner God.

Lol, you are funny.

"I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father.”


"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

 

[Renniks]

Yes....he was made God after his God resurrected him etc.

He totally qualifies per the Col 2:9 effect on his post resurrection body.

No mere person can be made into God. God has always existed.

"for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist."

Through whom are all things. No exceptions. A created being can't be the one through whom everything exists, because there was a point when the created being didn't exist.

 

[Truther]

No mere person can be made into God. God has always existed.

"for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist."

Through whom are all things. No exceptions. A created being can't be the one through whom everything exists, because there was a point when the created being didn't exist.

The one God is inside the human son.

Notice the differentiation in the highlighted verse, which implies the son is not the one God, but in addition to Him, and the one God works THROUGH him..

 

[Truther]

Lol, you are funny.

"I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father.”


"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Is this funny too...

4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,


ROFL?

 

[101G]

I have no idea what your position is after reading this. You don't believe in the trinity but you believe Jesus was the Creator. Is that close?

First thanks for the reply, second, I do not believe in a trinity of three separate persons who suppose to be God. and I believe that the Lord Jesus is the ordinal First who created all things, alone and by himself.

Let me make myself clear as to my position. JESUS is God alone. and in this state of being alone he is the "diversity" or the equal share of himself in flesh. meaning he's the "ANOTHER" NOT "a" ANOTHER, but THE "ANOTHER" of his OWNself manifested in flesh.

so God is the plurality of himself in flesh, as G243 states.

PICJAG.

 

[Renniks]

Is this funny too...

4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,


ROFL?

Why is that funny? It's trinitarian. Jesus was fully human and fully God and worked with and through the spirit and vice versa.

 

[Renniks]

First thanks for the reply, second, I do not believe in a trinity of three separate persons who suppose to be God. and I believe that the Lord Jesus is the ordinal First who created all things, alone and by himself.

Let me make myself clear as to my position. JESUS is God alone. and in this state of being alone he is the "diversity" or the equal share of himself in flesh. meaning he's the "ANOTHER" NOT "a" ANOTHER, but THE "ANOTHER" of his OWNself manifested in flesh.

so God is the plurality of himself in flesh, as G243 states.

PICJAG.

Sorry, but I find that about as clear as mud.
Jesus is God, and that's it? No father?

 

[101G]

Sorry, but I find that about as clear as mud.
Jesus is God, and that's it? No father?

first thanks for the reply, second, it it's mud to you then don't cross it... stay safe.

PICJAG.

 

[OzSpen]

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God....

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:...

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Are you uncomfortable with such strange 1st century terms from the Apostles and Jesus?

Should we greet one another like Paul did in Eph 1:3(above)?

Truther,

You didn't tell us you quoted from John 20:17; Eph 1:3; and Rev 3:12. When you remove the context, you don't provide the opportunity to accurately interpret.

Jesus and the apostles taught Jesus has a God right now as we speak.

So you are a non-trinitarian.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Folks disagree with the 3 verses of the OP.

They cannot imagine greeting folks like Paul did in Eph 1:3.

Have you ever heard anyone greet a congregation etc., with "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus...".

No, they run from such first century language.

I do not disagree with the 3 verses of the OP. I probably disagree with your interpretation as you seem to be promoting non-trinitarianism.

 

[OzSpen]

Sorry, but I find that about as clear as mud.
Jesus is God, and that's it? No father?

Renniks,

Which NT verses would you expound to demonstrate Jesus is God?

This is my understanding: Is Jesus a God and not the God?

Oz

 

[Renniks]

first thanks for the reply, second, it it's mud to you then don't cross it... stay safe.

PICJAG.

I can't cross it if I have no idea what it is anyway...

 

[OzSpen]

Fact is, God is inside Jesus' omnipresent body now, qualifying Jesus as his inner God by default.

This happened to Jesus' human spirit after his God resurrected it(him) from the dead.

Truther,

You are promoting the unorthodox doctrine of adoptionism. It was declared a heresy in the 2nd century by the churches. Why?

Adoptionism is a heretical theology that claims Jesus was God’s adopted Son. Adoptionism teaches that, because of Jesus’ sinless life, God chose Him and adopted Him. Adoptionism also goes by the name dynamic monarchianism; it was declared a heresy because Scripture makes it clear that adoptionism is not true. Jesus Christ is not adopted; He is “begotten” (John 3:16, KJV).

Adoptionism claims that, before His adoption, Jesus was a mere man, although sinless. However, we know, biblically, that all people are under the curse of Adam and there are no sinless men (Romans 5:12–14)....

Adoptionism is disproved in the first few words of John’s gospel. John equates Jesus with “the Word of God” and says Jesus was “in the beginning with God.” In fact, “all things were made through him,” and “in him was life and the life was the light of men” (John 1:1–5). These are not statements one makes about a sinless man adopted by God. Furthermore, John points out that John the Baptist was sent to bear witness to the light (verse 14). If Jesus were simply a good man whose good deeds caught God’s attention and earned God’s love, the role of John the Baptist would be pointless. Prophecies in the Old Testament that anticipate Jesus’ virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14), crucifixion (Psalm 22), and atoning sacrifice (Isaiah 53:5, 12) would not make any sense if God simply “noticed” that Jesus was sinless and adopted Him after the fact (GotQuestions, 'What is adoptionism?')​

The orthodox doctrine of the Trinity maintains Scripture teaches there are 3 Persons in the Godhead. Each is distinguished from the other but they are one in essence, a unity. This is core Christianity:

• God the Father is God and is distinguished from the Spirit (Gen. 1:1-2; 6:3; Num. 27:18; Ps. 51:11; Isa. 40:13; 48:16; Hag. 2:4-5; Jn 6:27; Rm 1:7; Gal 1:1)
• God the Son has always been God and his function is different from the Father and the Spirit (Jn 1:15; 8:58; 17:5, 24);
• The Holy Spirit is not a force but a Person who is equally God (John 14:26; Ephesians 4:30; Heb 9:14; 1 Cor 2:10-11; Jn 14:26; 16:12-13; Ps 139:7-10).

This is an orthodox Christian forum, in my understanding. I urge you to quit teaching your non-trinitarian, adoptionist views.

Oz