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Jesus died from the foundation of the world(Rev 13:8), so yes, God had him resurrected from the dead in the eternal heaven while he was on earth.
He spoke this about 2 places...an eternal, timeless place and a temporal place which he also lived.
Not at all.
Is the OP an article or a simple group of scriptures folks are cringing about?
NWT
John 20 In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”
Thomas knew Jesus personally!
Yes you do. You are obsessed with attacking our Christian Bibles. What is your religion?
For anyone interested, the OP is just introducing purposely ignored verses that are what was once common vernacular in the 1st century.
I think we need to get back to talking like that again, if we claim to be 1st century believers, but our biases forbid such talking.
I think we need to get back to talking like that again, if we claim to be 1st century believers, but our biases forbid such talking.
Created and Made are not the same thing.
Created- is something NOT in existence being brought into existance.
Made- is something ALREADY in existence being revealed in another form.
Keeping in Thought-
God is eternal-without a Beginning or Ending.
IN Brief:
* what IS IN God, IS God.
* what God sends forth out From Himself, (does not empty God of what is sent out), it continues to Remain IN God.
* Gods Word, IS IN God, IS God
* Gods Word, Has been Sent forth out From God since the Beginning of His Creation.
Example;
Gen 1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1 gives us an introduction/ a prelude of things we can expect to learn about, should one continue reading.
From Gen 1: 1-3 prelude, we discover 3 things:
* God is the Creator
* Two specific things He Created
* His Spirit is involved in the Creating.
* His Word is involved in the Creation.
CREATING - MAKING - MADE of Man:
Gen:1
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
God said...gives us God's INTENT.
Let "US" MAKE "man", in "OUR" ...
Image and Likeness.
"US"..."OUR"...already Revealed:
God, Spirit, Word...is the US and OUR of God, involved in Created and Making.
Gen 1:26 reveals what the US/OUR, intends to Make.
Gen 1:27 Reveals Gods intent to Create "man" and
Gen 1:26-27 Reveals Gods intent to "Make" the CREATED man...in Gods Image and Likeness....and further the mankind of thing- IS male and female.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Since God...is: US/ OUR...
God Identity
Has a Spirit
Has Word/Speech/
So also Is man: (in the Likeness & Image of God)
An Identity
Has a spirit
Has Word / speech
Continue reading... Likeness of God- Established: His Identity, His Spirit, His Word...all involved in WHAT He Creates, Makes, Works He instigates and Establishes.
Image of God- later learned IS HOLY...
Absolute Flawless Perfection.
God CREATED man- and Then MADE man Living...
That man revealed...
CREATED:
Identity- Adam
Spirit- Truth, power
Word- Speech
MADE:
Living "In" the IMAGE of God
Holy Flawless Perfection
That LIKENESS of man ... Changed.
That IMAGE of man...Changed.
Gen 5
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
[3] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Man's Likeness...no longer In Gods Likeness.
Man's Image ... no longer IN Gods Image.
Gods Likeness and Image
Does NOT Change.
Gods Identity is Always God.
Gods Spirit is Always God.
Gods Word is Always God.
God is Always Absolute Holy Perfection.
You are One man-
Identity-name
You have Life-Blood, Soul, Spirit
You have a spirit- "your Truth"
You have a word- "your speech"
You have an Image- "outside reflection of your Inside"
You can MAKE your WORD come forth out from you and;
* send your word To the Ears of Other men
* make your word appear in ink on paper
* make your word transmitted electronically
God has Great more Power than you.
God SENT forth out from Himself HIS Word..
To Appear, in the Likeness AS an Earthly man.
Earthly men have Earthly Bodies, Formed from Dust of the Earth.
Did Gods Word have an Earthly Body, Formed from Dust?... uh...No.
God "Prepared" a Body for His Word.
Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Reiterating - Verifying-
* Gods Word IS God.
John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Reiterating - Verifying-
* Gods Word IS God.
John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
John 16
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
The Body God Prepared for His Word...Does NOT Change Who God IS.
Mal. 3:
[6] For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
* God MAKING His Word come forth out from God...
Does NOT Change God.
* God MAKING His Word Appear IN a Body God has Prepared...
...Does NOT Change God.
* God MAKING His Word to be revealed in a fashion Earthly men Can See ...
...Does NOT Change God.
* God calling His Word;
Word,
Son of man,
Son of God,
Jesus,
Truth,
Way,
Life,
Light,
Maker,
Etc.
...Does NOT Change God...
It Reveals God in a Fashion and Manner...
Earthly men Can Hear "AND" SEE...that Earthly men may Believe...Testify to other men...What They HEARD....."AND SAW".
If you are familiar with a Natural Human Earthly man..."Hearing" is one thing... but a natural man "Seeing" is a whole other consideration of "Believability" that natural Earthly men WANT and Heavily Consider.
"Individual" Ancient men Heard, AND Saw Visions.
They could Repeat/ Teach what they Heard to other men...but could Not Show an other man What They saw.
God called...men STIFFNECKED...who would "Not Believe" "BY" Hearing...(and NOT consider "SEEING" what was fore- SAID...come to pass....for sufficient "seeing".)
And THEN when God Sent His Word...IN a Visible Body, men Could "Hear AND See"...that Also was not sufficient For many men TO Believe...that God Himself has Come Among Earthly men TO BE "Heard and Seen", in a Fashion Earthly men Could Look Upon Him and NOT be instantly incinerated.
Warning to Stiffnecked People:
Ex.
[5] For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee:
2 Chr 30:
[8] Now be ye not stiffnecked, as your fathers were, but yield yourselves unto the LORD, and enter into his sanctuary, which he hath sanctified for ever: and serve the LORD your God, that the fierceness of his wrath may turn away from you.
Acts 7:
[51] Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
The Point is:
* God IS WHO He IS.
* God does Not Change.
* Mankind WAS Created and Made IN Gods Likeness and Image.
* Mankind Fell away from Gods Likeness and Image...To man's Likeness and Image.
* God has OFFERED and PROVIDED "a WAY" for mankind...To Become "ACCEPTABLY" "Restored and Anew" man IN Gods Likeness and Image.
* And it is Every Individuals OPTION to ACCEPT Gods OFFER..."according TO Gods Terms"....or Reject His Offering.
* And the Important Notice IS:
Whichever ANY individual Freely Chooses:
Accept or Reject Gods Offering...
* God IS Giving...God IS Graceful...
God IS JUST...
He shall MAKE assured "Every Individual Shall Have" what they Freely Accept or Reject.
Ponder Gods knowledge given you.
Ponder IF you are Accepting or Rejecting His Knowledge given you.
Glory to God,
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However, I love the KJV.
I am KJV-Only.
I have no religion, I am a 1st century wannabe.
Again you avoid "The Word was God". God CANNOT stop being God.
John 1 The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
Jesus is God!
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