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Israel is where you want to be., as it's where the Born again are going to be living for 1000 yrs, very soon, with The Lord.

I know what the “many” claim about being born again. Is what they claim scriptural? According to scripture being "born again" happens when we are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Thats when our corruptible puts on the incorruptible. This only makes sense because we are givin new bodies before entering the kingdom

PHIL.3 [20] For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:[21] WHO SHALL CHANGE OUR VILE BODY, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1PETER1
[4] To AN INHERITANCE INCORRUPTIBLE, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
[5] Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME.
[9] Receiving the END OF YOUR FAITH, EVEN THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;
[23] BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED, BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1COR.15
[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. IT IS SOWN IN CORRUPTION; IT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. THERE IS A NATURAL BODY, AND THERE IS A SPIRITUAL BODY. ........
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Phil.3{21}
[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; NEITHER DOTH CORRUPTION INHERIT INCORRUPTION.
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] FOR THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Alls ya really gotta do is read 1Peter1{23} and 1Cor.15{53} and youll understand what it means to be “born again”
 

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JOHN 3 [3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN AGAIN, HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.[4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How CAN A MAN BE BORN WHEN HE IS OLD? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

JOB 14 [10] But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?[11] As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:[12] So MAN LIETH DOWN, AND RISETH NOT: TILL THE HEAVENS BE NO MORE, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.[13] O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! [14] IF A MAN DIE, SHALL HE LIVE AGAIN? all the days of my appointed time will I WAIT, TILL MY CHANGE COME.

John3 and Job14 are speaking of the same event. Nicodemus asks, how can a man be born when he is old? Job asks, If a man die, shall he live again? After the heavens be no more, says Job. Then will his "change" come. The changing found in 1Cor.15 {in the twinkling of an eye}

2PET.3 [10] But THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME as a thief in the night; in the which THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up

Job says his "change" will come when the heavens be no more. Above scripture tells us the heavens be no more at the coming of the Day of the Lord. When Jesus returns

1COR.15 [50] Now this I say, brethren, that FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[53] FOR THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, and this mortal must put on immortality.

I know this will upset the rapturist but "we shall all be changed" at the coming of the Day of the Lord as the heavens pass away {If you believe Job}. At this time we are born again (corruptible puts on incorruption) and will be gathered {meet the Lord in the air} and then its off to the kingdom rest
 

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1PETER1
[4] To AN INHERITANCE INCORRUPTIBLE, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
[5] Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME.
[9] Receiving the END OF YOUR FAITH, EVEN THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;
[23] BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED, BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1Peter1 is all about being born again. Its not something that happens during the life time of a believer. Thats plain to see.....
An inheritance
Revealed in the last time
End of your faith
Hope to the end
Grace brought at the revelation of Christ
Being born again

Ya know how some will say they were saved and then tell ya the specific day that they were born again. That doesnt fit with scripture.

ROMANS 8 [24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? [25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Scripture above says you are saved by hope and hope that is seen is not of hope. Now if someone claims they are already saved {born again} then what does he hope for?

1PETER1 [13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;

Hope to the end. Grace! When? When Christ returns.

1 THESSALONIANS 5 [2] For yourselves know perfectly that THE DAY OF THE LORD SO COMETH as a thief in the night. [3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [5] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. [6] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. [7] For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. [8] But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, THE HOPE OF SALVATION.

Yup. Still hoping for salvation come the Day of the Lord
 

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JOHN 3 [3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN AGAIN, HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.[4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.[6] That which is BORN OF THE FLESH IS FLESH; and that which is BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.

Jesus tells Nic you must be born again to enter the kingdom. Verse 6 explains that which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the spirit is spirit.

1COR.15
[42] So also is THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. THERE IS A NATURAL BODY, AND THERE IS A SPIRITUAL BODY. ........
[49] AND AS WE HAVE BORNE THE IMAGE OF THE EARTHY, WE SHALL ALSO BEAR THE IMAGE OF THE HEAVENLY.
[50] Now this I say, brethren, that FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Cor.15 is talking about the resurrection. Verse 42 states that rather clearly. In verse 50 you see the same thing Jesus told Nic. You cannot inherit the kingdom of God....still speaking of the resurrection. Just read John 3{6} and 1Cor.15{44}. Just read John3{6} and 1Cor.15{49}. If you believe these scriptures to be true there can be no doubt about the “born again” event.
 

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Israel is where you want to be., as it's where the Born again are going to be living for 1000 yrs, very soon, with The Lord.
Nicodemus asked if a born again event is entering again into the womb. It is not, it is death. Why is it death? That which is born of the flesh is only flesh. That which is born of the spirit is only spirit. The flesh has to die to get to the spirit form. Born again humans will be in the temple of God. Resurrection of the body will be those who reign on earth with Christ.
 

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Are you sayin the Day of the Lord will last 7 to 10 yrs?? Itll last but 1 yr.
The great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath is just a single 24 hour day.
Proved by; Isaiah 47:9, 9:14, 29:5-8, Zechariah 3:9, Revelation 18:8
Israel is where you want to be., as it's where the Born again are going to be living for 1000 yrs, very soon, with The Lord.
Yes, I have been to Israel and I know I will go back there again.
But the Middle East is not where I want to be now. Not until the Lord has done what He has said He will, in over 100 prophesies.
Read Ezekiel 21:1-7, Jeremiah 12:14, Isaiah 22:1-14 and Deuteronomy 32:34-43, where it says the Lord will clear and cleanse His holy Land.
 

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Why don't we try this..
Im willing to help you.
Why dont you post a Thread on a Topic that is taken from the NEW Testament that is not found in The Revelation.
Once you post it, i'll go to your Thread and expound it and deepen it so that the readers can get more out of it.
If you need a topic, i have many i can offer you.
Happy to help.
Just let me know, Randy.

You think I'm wanting your help?
 

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You think I'm wanting your help?

You need it.
If you were thinking correctly, you'd understand this, Randy.
You are carnal, and your theology is terrible.
Do you need help? Yeah.
Will you accept it?
Your pride has already responded about 200 times already, hasn't it?
 

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My next question

REVELATION 14 [15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, THRUST IN THY SICKLE, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; FOR THE HARVEST OF THE EARTH IS RIPE. [16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Who is harvested?
 

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My next question

REVELATION 14 [15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, THRUST IN THY SICKLE, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; FOR THE HARVEST OF THE EARTH IS RIPE. [16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Who is harvested?
This scripture is another of the 100 + prophesies about the Lords terrible Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
The ones harvested, that is killed, are virtually all the peoples in the Middle East region and many other godless people worldwide. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 1:14-18, & 3:8, Jeremiah 25:30-33, 2 Peter 3:7, +

Note in Revelation 14:17-20, it is the angel with authority over fire, [the sun] who instigates this harvest.
 

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This scripture is another of the 100 + prophesies about the Lords terrible Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

Had to ask Keraz as many a Rapturist claim its those who are raptured
 

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Had to ask Keraz as many a Rapturist claim its those who are raptured
It is all of Adam's descendants. Times up. No more sin nature. No more Satan. No more punishment. All must walk through the valley of the shadow of death, but those who follow Christ and reject Satan will come out on the other side like David promised in Psalms 23. Christ will rule, it will not be perfection, but close. Death is still real, because Death is the last enemy. The Lamb does get His millennial reign promised to Abraham, Jacob, David, and many others.

All have to physically die though. The new body will be incorruptible. It will not be immortal, but no sin nature to drag us into the mud, so to speak. There will still be biological reproduction. The land on earth will be completely inhabited and domesticated. All land, or area will be used, nothing will go to waste.
 

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The great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath is just a single 24 hour day.
Proved by; Isaiah 47:9, 9:14, 29:5-8, Zechariah 3:9, Revelation 18:8

Yes, I have been to Israel and I know I will go back there again.
But the Middle East is not where I want to be now. Not until the Lord has done what He has said He will, in over 100 prophesies.
Read Ezekiel 21:1-7, Jeremiah 12:14, Isaiah 22:1-14 and Deuteronomy 32:34-43, where it says the Lord will clear and cleanse His holy Land.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
 
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All have to physically die though. The new body will be incorruptible. It will not be immortal, but no sin nature to drag us into the mud, so to speak. There will still be biological reproduction.
Wrong. Proved by the fact that Immortals do not reproduce. Luke 20:34-36
You need to realize that Paul's prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:59-56, is about the GWT Judgment; AFTER the Millennium. Only then is the Book of Life opened and Death is no more.
 

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Wrong. Proved by the fact that Immortals do not reproduce. Luke 20:34-36
You need to realize that Paul's prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:59-56, is about the GWT Judgment; AFTER the Millennium. Only then is the Book of Life opened and Death is no more.
I content that the book of Revelation is past, it was relating back to the end of the age of law.

This prophecy is yet to come since the tares are still here.
Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

If you disagree, please explain where the above fits in to prophecy?
 

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I content that the book of Revelation is past, it was relating back to the end of the age of law.

This prophecy is yet to come since the tares are still here.
Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

If you disagree, please explain where the above fits in to prophecy?
Obviously, what is prophesied in Revelation from Rev 6:12, has not yet happened. Nothing in the historical record or the Bible relates to what is described.

The end of the world, will happen after the Millennium, when God will Judge all the people who have ever lived. Those whose names are Written in the Book of Life will go with God into Eternity, the godless and wicked people will go into the Lake of Fire. Revelation 20:1-15
 
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Wrong. Proved by the fact that Immortals do not reproduce. Luke 20:34-36
You need to realize that Paul's prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:59-56, is about the GWT Judgment; AFTER the Millennium. Only then is the Book of Life opened and Death is no more.
Paul speaks of two changes. I am not talking about the immortality change. I am talking about the sin nature, incorruptible body change.
 

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Paul speaks of two changes. I am not talking about the immortality change. I am talking about the sin nature, incorruptible body change.
Those are the two aspects of the Resurrection/Rapture which is in fact one event.