The Decoy Gospel

[mjrhealth]

It is GOD that demands perfection to be His child. "Be perfect, as My Father in heaven is perfect." "You must be born again." And that is why Jesus came. John 8:32-36. You think He came so we can eat, drink and be merry with no consequences, turning the grace of God into licentiousness Jude 1:4, the antithesis of a child of God. Stop being deceived with doctrines of demons that started 500 years ago during the Reformation. Satan wants you deceived so you can stay his, a slave to sin. NO! The TRUTH is, He took away our SIN that had the consequences. No SIN - No CONSEQUENCES. The Law showed us our sin. No SIN - No need for the Law. Why? Because Jesus puts His Own Spirit within us and changes our nature, so instead of fighting against a sinful nature to try to be good, we now can act naturally with a divine nature. Romans 8:1-9; 2 Peter 1:2-11; 1 John 3:9; 1 John 5:18. No more struggle to be righteous. His Spirit inside us fulfills the righteous requirements of the eternal laws of God, to love God with all your heart, mind and body, and your neighbor as yourself written on our hearts in the New Covenant. The Grace of God is the Power of God to be sinless, not a cover-up license to sin.

This is not something that we can do, so stop accusing me of placing a burden on you. Only Jesus gives us His Spirit. All we have to do is REPENT and acknowledge that we are weak, but we desire to serve Jesus, but can't stop sinning. Ask for His Holy Spirit. There are many Christians struggling because they have never been born again of the Spirit. I was like that for the first 30 years of going to church, until I came to the end of myself and acknowledged my sin and weakness. Suddenly I was filled with His Spirit from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet. I was literally born again with a completely different nature that I had before. Out with the weak, in with the powerful. And, believe me, IT LASTS! I don't just love God from afar; I love Him intimately! From the first day of this new born again life, I have been able to hear His voice clearly. Not audibly from outside, but from the inside where He lives.

Luke 11:10-13
10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

What dont you understand, we are made perfect in Christ, end of story. What is it you don not understand?? Do you think that what Christ did was not good enough for you that you have to go perfect yourself and than demand that same foolishness from everyone else. You are playing teh pharisee trying to make teh outside of the cup look good, That what you demand from everyone else will that what you will be judged by.

 

[mjrhealth]

Yes, sin is my subject. My ministry is not to the lost in the world; it is to the lost in the Church!!! Matthew 7:21-23:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

It is SIN that separated us from God; do you really thinks God wants you to stay a sinner, but just with no consequences? Grow up!!! Satan's demons have made you blind as a bat!!! GOD IS HOLY!!! Only overcomers will be in heaven, the righteous and holy. Revelation 22:11

BTW, IMPUTED Righteousness was to Old Testament saints. The New Covenant makes us truly righteous. And without holiness, no man shall see God Hebrews 12:14.

Trust me, if you are in one of those Reformation churches that Jesus says in Rev. 3, that they have a reputation for being alive, BUT ARE DEAD, RUN!!!

Sin no longer seperates us from God, its mens ignorance, that lay heavy yokes on teh necks of men and make God and Christ to be hard taskmasters, Like they give you a gift than demand payment, God in not like a man He doesnt do such things.

 

[CharismaticLady]

What dont you understand, we are made perfect in Christ, end of story. What is it you don not understand?? Do you think that what Christ did was not good enough for you that you have to go perfect yourself and than demand that same foolishness from everyone else. You are playing teh pharisee trying to make teh outside of the cup look good, That what you demand from everyone else will that what you will be judged by.

Are you dense??? I am not making myself righteous. That's what you fail to understand. Christ's Holy Spirit inside me has changed my nature to a divine nature.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Sin no longer seperates us from God, its mens ignorance, that lay heavy yokes on teh necks of men and make God and Christ to be hard taskmasters, Like they give you a gift than demand payment, God in not like a man He doesnt do such things.

Sin will always separate us from a HOLY GOD. That is why Jesus came to make us truly righteous from the inside, so we no longer sin on the outside.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

 

[Episkopos]

Loving people, condemning people who are not like to you is not love. When one gives there life to Jesus and believe, it is enough for Him and God, it is men who continually add more burdens to men, to fill them with guilt, and that is not from God, for you lot men will never be good enough unless they walk as you claim, for Christ and God it is good enough for them to believe. satan love to condemn men, and so many love helping him.

You are trapped in an arrested development and lashing out like a spoiled child against what you see as demanding adults who are just trying to help you in your ignorance and poor attitude. Of course a new believer is given time to get his bearings. God goes easy on a person who has but a short amount of time in the Christian life. And there is a time to rejoice over a new convert who is enjoying the "honeymoon" period. At that stage it's all about the free stuff and what God did for people...by sheer mercy in spite of a very bad behaviour. But does that mean that God loves bad behaviour because He showed mercy? Or does God expect us to grow?

Luke 13: 6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

So there is a time factor in regards to God expecting a return on His investment.


From the perspective of the fig tree... at one time the new believer realizes that sin still has a hold on him. Like Paul did in Romans 7.

What did Paul do at that point? Did he get angry at other people who would suggest there was a way out of being an immature sinner? Rebel against God and throw a tantrum for God's righteous expectation of wanting fruit towards growth in righteousness and holiness?

See the wicked attitude of so many modern "believers." They want to enshrine sinfulness under the heading of "love". As in...love me love my soiled diapers...NOW CHANGE ME.

A stinky attitude, no?

But Paul goes on to describe God's remedy for sin...by going to the cross ourselves so that we put aside the rebellious spoiled and rotten flesh with it's twisted morality...so as to put on Christ...till Christ be formed in us. No longer I. No longer a baby tossed to and fro by self-serving evil doctrines. No longer a slave of the carnal passions.

So then you just need to stop acting like a baby and start behaving like a hopeful maturing Christian in humility and teachableness. Faith will be required.

Try it.

Stop resisting a "rest". The rest of God. :)

 

[mjrhealth]

You are trapped in an arrested development and lashing out like a spoiled child against what you see as demanding adults who are just trying to help you in your ignorance and poor attitude.

Im trapped in nothing. I do what is asked of us, trust God. All you know is from what you have read. Its ll head knowledge, you have no understanding of grace. All i see is pharisees trying to make the outside of the cup look clean, even to denying the works of Christ as if they are not enough. Jesus satisfied all the requirements, not just some of them so you have to finish what he started, you never will satisfy the requirements that was His work and His work alone, so none not even you can have anything to boast of.

You are putting heavy burdens around the necks of men, and that standard that you judge men by is that same standard you will be judged by.

As for Adults, was it not Jesus said, suffer not the little children to come unto me, for such is these is teh kingdom of heaven. And as for poor attitude, tell that to Jesus when He shows all the poor lambs you turned away from Him, by making Him out to be a hard taskmaster, was it not He that said

mathew11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and all of you shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[mjrhealth]

But Paul goes on the describe God's remedy for sin...by going to the cross ourselves so that we put aside the rebellious spoiled and rotten flesh with it's twisted morality...so as to put on Christ...till Christ be formed in us. No longer I. No longer a baby tossed to and fro. No longer a slave of the carnal passions.

Have you being to the cross, have you being down on your knees in tears crying out to God, and yet saying , Take this cup from me, but never the less let your will be done. The cross has being far behind me for years, all i see in front of me is Christ and that narrow path that leads to life, the price is high and few are willing to pay it,

Such a pity that "christians" love laying burdens on teh necks of men but that is what religion does, makes slaves of men.

 

[mjrhealth]

Sin will always separate us from a HOLY GOD. That is why Jesus came to make us truly righteous from the inside, so we no longer sin on the outside.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

You do not understand. that beautiful spirit that God put in us, cannot sin, you are too busy making teh outside of teh cup look clean, it is ugly and will always be,

 

[mjrhealth]

Are you dense??? I am not making myself righteous. That's what you fail to understand. Christ's Holy Spirit inside me has changed my nature to a divine nature.

Condeming people is not a divine nature your flesh is still your flesh no matter how much paint you put on it or how much you cover it up to hide it.

 

[Episkopos]

Have you being to the cross, have you being down on your knees in tears crying out to God, and yet saying , Take this cup from me, but never the less let your will be done. The cross has being far behind me for years, all i see in front of me is Christ and that narrow path that leads to life, the price is high and few are willing to pay it,

Such a pity that "christians" love laying burdens on teh necks of men but that is what religion does, makes slaves of men.

I know the difficulty of the narrow walk. VERY hard to get there...but once you're there...it's easy and full of joy and peace. I know the full victory over sin WHEN I abide in Christ. We go in and out of the Spirit while we grow more and more into the likeness of Christ.

I know the cross of Christ very well...as experience not as a religious dogma. People today REFUSE to surrender to God. They want everything right now as if God was at a Mc Donalds window taking their orders.

But God will not allow Himself to be wrapped around the finger of anyone. He doesn't respect persons. He is HARD so that WE break. THEN He can comfort us. But if you want comfort IN the flesh....God will resist you. And belly-aching won't help you. It just means you are still defending your moral rights to your flesh. Which God will grant you. He allowed Adam to eat from the wrong tree...and you also have that right. But unless you change the way you sow...you will always be reaping the flesh with it's ingrained sin. Sow rather to the Spirit.

You need to stop reacting in the flesh and accusing brethren for NOT being spoiled babes. You should listen and learn. Humble yourself and come out from the condemnation of the flesh.

Slack workers get angry at industrious workers because they make them look bad. Stop living from pride. Stop sheltering behind flesh.

So an attitude change is needed if you want to learn and grow.

 

[Episkopos]

You do not understand. that beautiful spirit that God put in us, cannot sin, you are too busy making teh outside of teh cup look clean, it is ugly and will always be,

You do not understand and are twisting the words of Jesus. We are purified from sin from within. And from there the outside IS clean.

Jesus was speaking of religious posturing that put on a show. But a crucified believer is pure to the very core.

When we are on the cross inwardly (but in the carnal part of us) then the husk around the seed of "Christ in you" is broken and His life FLOODS into us like a river of life and peace. Rivers of living water. From that life we are in holiness..no longer alive to our old human nature and power...but now made alive to God's presence through God's grace. We tap into HIS resurrection life this way...His perfected humanity.

If we abide in Him then we become as He is in the world. A light in the world.

But our maturity level will be tested by the devil so as to trick us to come back to the flesh. So then the purity of Christ and His perfection will last until our lack of maturity in THAT life takes us away and back into being in our own strength again.


So we go in and out of the Spirit so as to learn to trust Him and mature in Him.

So whether we are present or absent from the presence of the Lord...we learn to do what is pleasing to Him.

 

[Candidus]

Our heart.

Sounds good, but is not exactly what the Bible says. Our works, our fruit, are the result of the heart, yet Scripture says that our works are what we will be judged by.

 

[Candidus]

All we see in your posts in Gnostic blather. Where are the Scriptures?

Here is a good example of your ignorance about the doctrine of justification by grace through faith:There is also a heresy that states that we are already perfect "positionally" even as we sin. And this is a very grievous heresy.

When someone calls God's truth "heresy" and "a very grievous heresy", then one can be sure that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

So what does the Bible say about justification by grace through faith? What is says is that GOD IMPUTES THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST to the one who believes on Him. Therefore we are indeed positionally perfect -- as righteous as Christ -- because the metaphorical and spiritual *robe* of His righteousness is placed over the sinner. I will post just one verse to confirm this: For He [God the Father] hath made Him [Christ] to be SIN for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Cor 5:21)

The meaning should be clear and plain to anyone who reads this. God is telling the saints that they are as righteous as God because they are in Christ. Now this may sound shocking and preposterous, but IT IS GOD'S TRUTH.

Now go and study the epistle to the Romans, before you commit any more blunders, and mislead people with your manufactured theology.

As to your canard about "even as we sin" that is a false accusation. Here is what the grace of God means to the believers (Titus 2:11-13):

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Did you get that? Justification is not a license to sin, as you have claimed.

No, the Bible never says that anyone HAS THE IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST. You can read it into Scripture, but you cannot find it stated in Scripture.

 

[Candidus]

No, if you recall, there is a difference between sinless and perfect. By His Word, I know how to maintain sinlessness, but perfection is a life-long process of Glorification. 2 Peter 1:5-7

I teach the truth of His Word, by teaching what the Author means through the Spirit of Truth. From the scriptures you quote, that is not the case with you. God is a holy God, and to be a child of His, we must be like Him. No sinner that thinks their sins are covered will be with Him in eternity. Those who have no Christ endowed power over sin will be there, only the righteous and holy. Rev. 22:11

They hate holiness and the nature of God so much, that they must invent a scarecrow to justify sin. In doing so, they make the Gospel a means to support sin.

 

[Candidus]

It’s a simple direct question. Do you believe that you are sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolutely perfect 100% of the time? YES or NO?

Do you believe that you can sin and win, and that God is impotent to actual save the sinner FROM their sin as He says, and make them a Saint? Yes or No?

 

[Candidus]

Holiness is not the basis for our calling; it is the result of our calling. Glorification is not sanctification nor is justification. Full salvation does not include positional sanctification. We are 3-part beings, spirit, soul (mind, will, emotion), and body.

Yet, the Central idea of Christianity is based upon what God says is our highest calling, the highest work that He says he will accomplish in the believer in this life, which is Holiness, Sanctification. Lost people, "sinners" are told to repent in Scripture; Believers are told to do something... to move on to Perfection, be sanctified wholly, for without holiness, no one shall see the Lord. Glorification is something God does on the other side of the spectrum.

Salvation is:
Justification: When we accept Christ as Lord and Savior, we are found innocent in God's court of His law. Our spirit is reborn of incorruptible seed. This means that when we sin, it is not our spirit doing it.

This is utterly putrid Gnostic heresy, I cannot believe that Christians embrace such a heresy and call it Biblical! This is nothing more than candy-coated Gnosticism sweetened up with Christian language to make it more palatable. Sweet and desirable on the outside, but on the inside it is rotten to the core!

Sanctification: Here is where we join in with the Holy Spirit and His work in us. This process is not instant...

Based on what? Your failure?

Why do we believe that God can save a person in an instant? Because Scripture speaks of being Born-Again, being Saved in the Aorist Tense, a completed action, and Present Tense, happening in this moment. Why do we not teach that salvation is only progressive, and that no one ever gets saved this side of heaven? Because the Greek Tenses tell us that it happens here and now! Yet the same people that believe this, deny the Aorist and Present tenses when God speaks of Holiness, Sanctification and Perfection in the very same manner!

The Biblical fact is, Scripture represents sanctification as a work of God in the believer's life, the same exact way that it presents Salvation as a work of God in the believer's life. FACT: There is no Future Tense of Sanctification in the New Testament.

The center of our soul is our heart. "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?" Jeremiah 17:9 NIV

Our poor impotent God and the weak and ineffective Atonement of Christ to save us FROM our sins cannot give us a new heart....

And you call this the "Gospel"?

Instant sanctification .

The "Imputed Righteousness Of Christ is not part of the atonement because it is an invented phrase and devoid of fact! Instant [aorist tense, and Present Tense] sanctification is in the Bible! Your denial has zero proof!

 

[Truman]

Yet, the Central idea of Christianity is based upon what God says is our highest calling, the highest work that He says he will accomplish in the believer in this life, which is Holiness, Sanctification. Lost people, "sinners" are told to repent in Scripture; Believers are told to do something... to move on to Perfection, be sanctified wholly, for without holiness, no one shall see the Lord. Glorification is something God does on the other side of the spectrum.



This is utterly putrid Gnostic heresy, I cannot believe that Christians embrace such a heresy and call it Biblical! This is nothing more than candy-coated Gnosticism sweetened up with Christian language to make it more palatable. Sweet and desirable on the outside, but on the inside it is rotten to the core!


Based on what? Your failure?

Why do we believe that God can save a person in an instant? Because Scripture speaks of being Born-Again, being Saved in the Aorist Tense, a completed action, and Present Tense, happening in this moment. Why do we not teach that salvation is only progressive, and that no one ever gets saved this side of heaven? Because the Greek Tenses tell us that it happens here and now! Yet the same people that believe this, deny the Aorist and Present tenses when God speaks of Holiness, Sanctification and Perfection in the very same manner!

The Biblical fact is, Scripture represents sanctification as a work of God in the believer's life, the same exact way that it presents Salvation as a work of God in the believer's life. FACT: There is no Future Tense of Sanctification in the New Testament.



Our poor impotent God and the weak and ineffective Atonement of Christ to save us FROM our sins cannot give us a new heart....

And you call this the "Gospel"?



The "Imputed Righteousness Of Christ is not part of the atonement because it is an invented phrase and devoid of fact! Instant [aorist tense, and Present Tense] sanctification is in the Bible! Your denial has zero proof!

There is no man as blind as the blind man who believes he sees. Peace.

 

[Candidus]

You have no idea of what Grace is do you, really. We are righteous because of Him, that is How God sees us, because of Him, you want your own righteousness, and that will not happen. Not till

In the twinkling of an eye we will all be changed, untill that day you are the same as every one else, who only have Christ to boast of, not self.

Obviously, you believe that Grace is a thing you possess, and do not really understand what Biblical Grace is.

We should want "our own righteousness" because "as He is, so are we in this world"! And "without holiness, no man shall see the Lord."

God does not work in theological fictions, but in realities. What you are implying is, no one actually ever saved until they are Glorified in the future. That the Bible is just mockery when it says that sin is deadly, that it separates us from God! That you can be as water in a glass and still have a fatal dose of arsenic mixed in, yet believe the water to be fictionally "pure." It reminds me of the lie we see today of people that Burn, Loot, and Murder.... and are called "Mostly Peaceful."

 

[Candidus]

What dont you understand, we are made perfect in Christ, end of story. What is it you don not understand?? Do you think that what Christ did was not good enough for you that you have to go perfect yourself and than demand that same foolishness from everyone else. You are playing teh pharisee trying to make teh outside of the cup look good, That what you demand from everyone else will that what you will be judged by.

You are represent a cup filled with manure, and that God is in Make-believe Land saying that Pig Poo is Milk and Honey!

You are playing the Gnostic Antinomian. Do you really believe that if you lower that bar so that everybody is saved, you will not be judged?

 

[Candidus]

There is no man as blind as the blind man who believes he sees. Peace.

Obviously, if you live by a self-contradictory man-made philosophy as that, your Appeal To Ignorance is no argument at all!