Shall we discuss this?

[Truther]

Again you admit that Jesus was there in the beginning.
John 1:1-3 (NKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

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Yes, of course he was there. Before he created all things this had to happen to him....

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Truther]

John 1 The Word was God.
God cannot stop nor start being God. Jesus is God the Creator.

The spoken word of God was definitely God.

Your spoken word is definitely yours too.

God fully indwells him, which simply means God does NOTHING outside of Jesus, bodily.

I would say Jesus qualifies that way very easily as his inner God.

It also qualifies him(because of the Col 2:9) to be the express image of the one and only invisible God(his God).

The Father inside the son doctrine of the Bible is very easy to comprehend.

 

[kcnalp]

Yes, he will return from heaven. That is where he is known to be(present tense).

You're being totally evasive. Jesus said He was in Heaven and on Earth at the same time, omnipresent! ONLY God is omnipresent.

John 3:13 (NKJV)
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

 

[mjrhealth]

What we have I believe is the truth that's in the scriptures just as you believe what the truth is. We honestly don't believe that those other religious organizations(churches) that teach the Trinity among other doctrines are teaching the truth which is in the scriptures. So many people today talk about how they have found Christ Jesus. The problem with that is these are people who believe in the Trinity which means basically they haven't found Christ Jesus, even though they honestly believe they have. Too many people care to much about their Trinity Doctrine and not what is actually in the scriptures. The scriptures tell us not to go beyond what is written yet those who do believe in the Trinity do. Even those who consider themselves the best experts on the Trinity admit the doctrine isn't in the scriptures. So they go beyond what is written in the scriptures to teach what they say they believe is the truth.

The problem is that far to many care about what the bible says, and not what God or Christ think, all mens religions are based on mens understanding of what they read in the bible, division is mens doing not Gods. But teh quioestion wil larise, will you leave you religion to go follow Christ, pretty much guarantee answer will be no, because you like all the other religions think your religion is right, that is what those who follow Christ are far and few between.

 

[kcnalp]

The spoken word of God was definitely God.

Your spoken word is definitely yours too.

God fully indwells him, which simply means God does NOTHING outside of Jesus, bodily.

I would say Jesus qualifies that way very easily as his inner God.

It also qualifies him(because of the Col 2:9) to be the express image of the one and only invisible God(his God).

The Father inside the son doctrine of the Bible is very easy to comprehend.

Jesus was always God and no matter how evasive you are that cannot change. I don't think you even know what you believe.

 

[amadeus]

Your perspective is very wise.

It is true, as a oneness teacher, I had to "come clean" with some of the verses and passages I did not want to deal with.(Mostly John's writings).

I was in Oneness Jesus Only groups for 11 years. From what I learned there I was already very skeptical of Trinitarians, but by the time I left the last UPC connection in 1987, I was similarly skeptical of Oneness as they believed it, and really overdue to come out of there. I don't press people to agree with me on it, but it is nice once in a while when someone at least considers where I am...

Many it seems are locked into the place they are and refuse to consider anything else seriously.

I felt some deep annoyance when I "glanced over" his writings about certain statements of Jesus and kept teaching my beliefs.

God eventually stopped me, then made me focus on all of it.

I had a few doctrinal doubts in the old days, but I am really seeing stuff that is inaccurately taught(as was my past).

I hit RESET.

After coming out of oneness I was with this new group that was neither Oneness nor Trinitarian for about 4-5 years, then I backslid for about 10. When I came back to God in 2002 then I guess was when I hit a similar reset button. From then until God has been dealing with me. I kept on tryin to get into or back into the group. I was there physically but never was I really among them. Even that tenuous connection was broken at the end of 2018

I went back to being a first century disciple.

I banned all commentary, whether ancient or modern.

I bolstered my KJV only stance to pick a Bible I can call the word of God.

I am completely done with supporting ministries that ignore the passages that I once ignored, and when my friends ask me what I think, I explain it to them and let them sort it out per their curiosity.

My sole prayer is that Jesus will come quickly for a church that preaches and teaches the 1st century, book of Acts truth.

I want to be part of it also.

Since beginning my Bible reading in English in 1976 I always used the KJV, but in 1978 a friend at work where I served as a translator bought me two other Bibles, one in German and one in Spanish. I have been reading the three from then until now [except for the 19 years I was backslid]. I have lots of Bible references and commentaries as well as some of the writings of what they call the ECF [Early Church Fathers] but most of them other than the lexicon. a concordance and my language dictionaries I have rarely opened for years.

My prayer is to simply be what and where God wants me to be during the time that remains to me.

God bless you for your open mindedness....

How can God lead us if we are closed?
Praise His name!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

That's Jesus, not you and I.

The disciples did not have any "private" doctrines to spring on the converts, they just laid it all out there...no advanced classes.

That's Jesus, not you and I? So you don't agree with scripture that says we are to follow Jesus steps closely? That Jesus is the example we are to follow.

 

[Truther]

You're being totally evasive. Jesus said He was in Heaven and on Earth at the same time, omnipresent! ONLY God is omnipresent.

John 3:13 (NKJV)
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

No, Jesus was in heaven as a man in the mind of God(reality) all along.

Jesus, the man was even the firstborn of all creation. He was born before Cain/Abel etc.

The man Christ Jesus even went in the fire as the 4th man.

You see, he was in heaven in timelessness while he was on earth in time.

 

[kcnalp]

No, Jesus was in heaven as a man in the mind of God(reality) all along.

Jesus, the man was even the firstborn of all creation. He was born before Cain/Abel etc.

The man Christ Jesus even went in the fire as the 4th man.

You see, he was in heaven in timelessness while he was on earth in time.

A man CANNOT be "MADE God". God came in the flesh. He wasn't MADE.

John 1 The Word was God.

 

[kcnalp]

No, Jesus was in heaven as a man in the mind of God(reality) all along.

You're making that up! Do you also deny the eternal Hell fire as most Satanic cults do?

 

[Truther]

Jesus was always God and no matter how evasive you are that cannot change. I don't think you even know what you believe.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth....

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

 

[Truther]

That's Jesus, not you and I? So you don't agree with scripture that says we are to follow Jesus steps closely? That Jesus is the example we are to follow.

Jesus spoke parables, not secret doctrines.

 

[kcnalp]

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth....
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Now you're saying Jesus isn't good???

 

[Truther]

A man CANNOT be "MADE God". God came in the flesh. He wasn't MADE.

John 1 The Word was God.

Jesus said "God came in flesh" here...


24 God is a Spirit, and they that worship HIM must worship HIM...


He did not say God is both Spirit and flesh..., in his description of what God is.

You got your wires crossed somehow.

 

[Truther]

You're making that up! Do you also deny the eternal Hell fire as most Satanic cults do?

No, hell is real.

Did you know Jesus has a God right now?

 

[kcnalp]

No, hell is real.

Did you know Jesus has a God right now?

Well yeah, I already said that. The Bible says so. It also says Jesus is God the Creator.

Gen 1 God said, "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.

Matt 28 ... baptizing them in the Name (singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 48
12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."

 

[Truther]

Now you're saying Jesus isn't good???

He, when on earth, knowing he could sin if not for having the Holy Ghost in him, was saying only his God is good, which gave him His good Holy Spirit per Luke 4:1.

Jesus said only God is good, so take it up with him in prayer.

 

[kcnalp]

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Do you think you will burn in Hell for saying Jesus isn't good?

 

[Truther]

Well yeah, I already said that. The Bible says so. It also says Jesus is God the Creator.

Gen 1 God said, "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.

Matt 28 ... baptizing them in the Name (singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 48
12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."

So, you think Jesus is his own God in Rev 3:12?

 

[Truther]

Do you think you will burn in Hell for saying Jesus isn't good?

No, I will burn in hell for misquoting Jesus who said that only his God is good.