I'm a Christian and I support the legality of same-sex marriage

[Heart2Soul]

Gay marriage has ZERO effect on anyone else.

Gay marriages and homosexuality in general has caused families to fall apart, churches to divide, loss of faith in God, loss of salvation, loss of life, loss of jobs....how can you say it hasn't had any effect on anyone else?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I agree, Christians should prefer that it is not legal, but, in motion, the amount of force and processes it would take to totally stop it, to enforce it, would end up being a sin in itself. These people call any kind of law and order a police state, they are messed up as a soup sandwich, but the amount of surveillance and the force it would take to prevent it would cause a level of persecution that I know, being a historian, that it would make Christianity out to be a monster. The Catholic Church tried this sort of thing and they are still trying to live all that down.

Preach against it, never accept it, never condone it....give evil no tolerance, no mercy, and no quarter. But do not let them draw you into doing something that is sinful also...or just as bad, hating someone....which I know you do not.

So.......in the end, you're agreeing with K9Buck that "gay marriage" should be legal?

There are two issues here--homosexuality and homosexual marriage.

Of course, homosexuality will not be made illegal even though sodomy was illegal for most of this nation's history. I cannot see police raiding people's home to find out if they're engaging in homosexual acts....

As for "gay marriage," it should NOT be legal, and there are many reasons that it shouldn't be. Gay marriage shouldn't even exist in our society. It shouldn't be an issue at all because MARRIAGE IS a sacred union between a husband and wife, period!
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[BarneyFife]

What if it was a statue of Jesus? Would you support it? Or would you say that it's probably better that we permit public lands to be free of religious ideology?

Hypotheticals are not always helpful. Who puts statues in public areas for the purpose of worship? People have to pick their battles. Is this a thread about same-sex marriage or statues?

 

[Candidus]

 

[Grailhunter]

So.......in the end, you're agreeing with K9Buck that "gay marriage" should be legal?

No, I said that……..I agree, Christians should prefer that it is not legal,….late night?

There are two issues here--homosexuality and homosexual marriage.
Of course, homosexuality will not be made illegal even though sodomy was illegal for most of this nation's history. I cannot see police raiding people's home to find out if they're engaging in homosexual acts....

This is true.

As for "gay marriage," it should NOT be legal, and there are many reasons that it shouldn't be. Gay marriage shouldn't even exist in our society. It shouldn't be an issue at all because MARRIAGE IS a sacred union between a husband and wife, period!

I repeat what I already said….. No, I said that…I agree, Christians should prefer that it is not legal. Like abortion and few other topics this is matter of voting for people of like mind. It is hard to get acrossed to most that homosexuality, like a abortion is an interruption of a life for children. For those who have had their child molested by a homo, and the child grows up homosexual, they understand. “Time is on my side!” The movie “Fallen” where a demon passes from one person to another by touch. It happens.

And my point is these people give into their desires and lust so completely that they can molest their own family, a grandchild at his birthday party while everyone else is celebrating, the grandpa has the boy in a room doing him. You been warned! People that warm up to relative that are gay, can be accomplices to having children in their home molested. The jump from a homosexual that is not a pedophile and one that is, can be in an instant.

So getting the gay marriage issue made illegal is a good thing. But it is mostly or only a religious statement, because enforcing it is near to impossible.

Much better plan is for Christians to be as bold as the homo’s are. Identify, confront, monitor in church, in public, and in your own family. Keep an eye on your kids…audacity…daring….bold….when you would least expect it.
Lock the doors to rooms so that the gay relative does not have a place to the walk the child.

 

[Grailhunter]

 

[BarneyFife]

I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if this has come up or not, but I personally read what seemed like the pertinent parts of the Obergefell v. Hodges decision, and in the end it wasn't about gay rights at all (so it was claimed), but the fact that denying two individuals the right to form a marriage union was effectively denying each of them the right to due process of law, since there is no federal law that defines the gender makeup of a marriage. If I'm misrecalling or misunderstanding this, I'm certainly open to correction.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I've addressed that repeatedly in this thread by pointing out that no one here would want to live under an Islamic theocracy.

A theocracy ran by a man or a group of men (oligarchy) would be, fundamentally, a totalitarian regime and a police-state. One day we will live under a theocracy, but it will be headed by Jesus rather than someone like Jim Jones or Jim Bakker. Would it be accurate to say that, some Christians have NO PROBLEM with a police-state, as long as they're the ones running it?

I never mentioned Islam! But you seem to have no problem with having a secular totalitarian regime make the rules.

You must remember that every law that is passed is legislating morality in some way shape or form. SEcular, christian, Jew and Muslim would all have some rules that overlap, but no one is calling for a theocracy! That was for Israel alone until the time of Jesus. We will have a theocracy again when Jesus physically returns and establishes His 1,000 year kingdom for believers and survivors of the Great Tribulation!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Let seculars be secular. As Jesus said, let the dead bury their dead.

If some of our Christian friends had their way, there would be roving bands of religious police enforcing morality and locking up people who engage in pre-marital sex, etc. No thanks.

And if some secularists had their way, they would lock all churches, take children away from believing parents, and send us to re-education camps.

My statement as well as yours are both elements of the extreme fringe of the secular and sacred side. But if we established our society based on teh New Testament and the universal books of the OT (Psalms and Proverbs), we would have a peaceful orderly and gentle society! It still wouldn't be perfect, but America became great because as Tocqueville wrote because the people are good and religious! He saw in the 1800's America becoming a great great nation because people desired to hold the Bible up as the best example of ordering society.

 

[bbyrd009]

yet here we are eh?

I support freedom and personal choice. I do not want to live under a theocracy. Therefore, religious doctrine should NOT be used to regulate another's behavior, such as same-sex relations or marriage. I DO support laws that protect being victimized by another. For example, murder, assault, abortion, etc. should be ILLEGAL because they adversely affect an innocent, third-party. Same-sex marriage does not.

Frankly, the government should NOT be in the marriage "business". Why should citizens have to pay a fee to the government to get a marriage license? State governments should get OUT. Then, two consenting, competent adults can get "married" within their private organization and they can tell us everyone they're "married" and we can choose to recognize it or ignore it. Courts can continue to deal with marital issues as they are the arbitrator for all sorts of contracts, including marriage.

As well, I will remind my Christian friends that, God gave us free will to make our own choices. Who are we to restrict another's free will by imposing laws against behavior that doesn't affect us in the slightest? While we're at it, I also believe that prostitution, drug use and gambling should also be legal.

i guess the thing is, see, that Christians prefer to have wars on stuff, and like having kings to fight their battles for them

 

[bbyrd009]

I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if this has come up or not, but I personally read what seemed like the pertinent parts of the Obergefell v. Hodges decision, and in the end it wasn't about gay rights at all (so it was claimed), but the fact that denying two individuals the right to form a marriage union was effectively denying each of them the right to due process of law, since there is no federal law that defines the gender makeup of a marriage. If I'm misrecalling or misunderstanding this, I'm certainly open to correction.

imo we brought this upon ourselves by acting like nazis toward homosexuals who just wanted to visit their partners in hospital and etc, enjoy the other rights that were being denied them?

 

[bbyrd009]

I never mentioned Islam! But you seem to have no problem with having a secular totalitarian regime make the rules.

You must remember that every law that is passed is legislating morality in some way shape or form. SEcular, christian, Jew and Muslim would all have some rules that overlap, but no one is calling for a theocracy! That was for Israel alone until the time of Jesus. We will have a theocracy again when Jesus physically returns and establishes His 1,000 year kingdom for believers and survivors of the Great Tribulation!

sing it with me evabody;
TOOOOOO-MORROW, tomorrow...

no offense ok but Jesus surely is not, ever, "returning"
(which is why you cannot Quote that, among other problems)

 

[BarneyFife]

imo we brought this upon ourselves by acting like nazis toward homosexuals who just wanted to visit their partners in hospital and etc, enjoy the other rights that were being denied them?

I can't say I disagree very much, for what it's worth. As much as I detest the idea of same-sex intimacy, I don't think these unfortunate people should have to live lives of misery any more than is absolutely necessary (whatever that means).

 

[Heart2Soul]

sing it with me evabody;
TOOOOOO-MORROW, tomorrow...

no offense ok but Jesus surely is not, ever, "returning"
(which is why you cannot Quote that, among other problems)

Would you please explain your comment here? I am not getting the intent of the message you are trying to get across...
Jesus is returning....and He is bringing His Army to defeat Satan.

 

[bbyrd009]

Would you please explain your comment here? I am not getting the intent of the message you are trying to get across...
Jesus is returning....and He is bringing His Army to defeat Satan.

Christ is appearing, revealed, but not returning wadr, literally, else you would be able to Quote that, dont you think? No army, the battle is already won, satan has already been defeated, and "Jesus" is already walking right next to us, we just dont recognize Him i guess.

I understand that this is kind of a jolt, but our "Jesus" is actually Apollos, and Christians are pretty much all waiting to die for our "afterlives" to begin, right? Pure satan, ok. Death, More Abundantly. I could give you a hundred proofs for this.

Christ came that we might have life, more abundantly
right? But wisdom is "hidden from the wise" bc ppl want to become immortals i guess, yeh?
And ppl dont want to guess at stuff, and wonder, what is it?, they want to speak with authority, like Yah, "this is that and that is this"

so, in Hebrew "return" is shuvu, and in Aramaic its hupostrepho

 

[BarneyFife]

sing it with me evabody;
TOOOOOO-MORROW, tomorrow...

no offense ok but Jesus surely is not, ever, "returning"
(which is why you cannot Quote that, among other problems)

I know it's impossible to pin you down and, believe it or not, I'm not really trying to but I think your (to coin a term) "position" is that the Bible contradicts itself a lot and so professors are misguided, no? So do you see a place somewhere in Scripture as disputing what is claimed in John 14:2-3 and Acts 1:10-11?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Christ is appearing, revealed, but not returning wadr, literally, else you would be able to Quote that, dont you think? No army, the battle is already won, satan has already been defeated, and "Jesus" is already walking right next to us, we just dont recognize Him i guess.

I understand that this is kind of a jolt, but our "Jesus" is actually Apollos, and Christians are pretty much all waiting to die for our "afterlives" to begin, right? Pure satan, ok. Death, More Abundantly. I could give you a hundred proofs for this.

Christ came that we might have life, more abundantly
right? But wisdom is "hidden from the wise" bc ppl want to become immortals i guess, yeh?
And ppl dont want to guess at stuff, and wonder, what is it?, they want to speak with authority, like Yah, "this is that and that is this"

so, in Hebrew "return" is shuvu, and in Greek its...

What Does the Bible Say About The Second Coming Of Jesus?
There were a lot of scriptures in this link....if you get time check them out.

 

[bbyrd009]

I know it's impossible to pin you down

why do you say this? I get this a lot. I am not impossible to pin down at all lol. Ask all the direct qs you like. Christ came that we might have life. You and your sons will be here with me. There is only One Immortal. Yah said "you are elohim" Jesus of Nazareth = John Doe, from Nowhere
what else is there to pin down

no

well, thats two separate things, but fwiw imo the Bible does not contradict itself so much as it does present puzzles, and provide guidance to expose bad guesses

as for the abominations of desolation, the professors, well, wisdom is hidden from the wise, right. What is it? is not easy to eat, or keep down, i guess

So do you see a place somewhere in Scripture as disputing what is claimed in John 14:2-3 and Acts 1:10-11?

brb later, sorry

and not offended at all ok, i just dont get the statement?
i almost never disregard anything put to me?

 

[BarneyFife]

why do you say this? I get this a lot. I am not impossible to pin down at all lol. Ask all the direct qs you like. Christ came that we might have life. You and your sons will be here with me. There is only One Immortal. Yah said "you are elohim" Jesus of Nazareth = John Doe, from Nowhere
what else is there to pin down

Sorry didn't mean to offend

 

[BarneyFife]

why do you say this? I get this a lot. I am not impossible to pin down at all lol. Ask all the direct qs you like. Christ came that we might have life. You and your sons will be here with me. There is only One Immortal. Yah said "you are elohim" Jesus of Nazareth = John Doe, from Nowhere
what else is there to pin down

well, thats two separate things, but fwiw imo the Bible does not contradict itself so much as it does present puzzles, and provide guidance to expose bad guesses

as for the abominations of desolation, the professors, well, wisdom is hidden from the wise, right. What is it? is not easy to eat, or keep down, i guess

brb later, sorry

and not offended at all ok, i just dont get the statement?
i almost never disregard anything put to me?

Perhaps "pin down" was the wrong term to use. Maybe "put you on the spot?" WADR, I'll just say it. You're pretty esoteric, Dude. I caught wind of this in a post by Amadeus. But you seem like more of a seeker than the average person who is less than easy to understand. I find it terribly fascinating, myself. I don't think you hold anything back or even close to the vest, so to speak, but some of what you say seems over my head. Certainly nothing wrong with that, though. I think we could have gotten into a lot of trouble together had we met in my young and dumb days. Alas now I'm in my old and dumb days. Like the song says: "I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now." That was fun.