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I’m assuming that since she’s MY granddaughter - she is a Catholic. I would remind her what she was raised knowing – that she was saved at Baptism when she was an infant (John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, 2 Pet. 3:21).
I would also remind her that since we are flawed humans with a free will that we sometimes stumble in sin. I would tell her that the Scriptures warn us that we can fall away and lose our security if we turn away from God - so we need to cooperate with His grace, remain faithful and do His will (Matt. 7:21).
If she has Scriptural questions about that - I would gladly show her (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).
A good analogy would be the following:
Salvation is like a boat that comes along and saves you when you’re lost at sea. You are safe and secure – as long as you STAY in the boat – but you are free to jump off at ANY point and LOSE your security.
Hope that helps.
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Did you know that Adolf Hitler was baptized when he was an infant? Do you really think that He was A Saved man once upon a time and later decided to “ jump out of the boat”...... hmmm....
Thank you for the concise and heartfelt description of your Doctrine....
The guy in this video explains my Doctrine in regard to the Baptism of the Believer better than I ever could.....I sincerely hope that everybody views it.....especially those New to the Faith.....
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Remember what John said about the teachings and works of Jesus:
John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Now, that’s obviously hyperbole – but you get the point.
Now – what if you took ALL of the teachings and works of the Apostles, whose ministries were much longer than that of Jesus? There were TWELVE of them and not ALL of their teachings and instructions were a matter of Scripture.
Many of their instructions were a matter of ORAL teaching. In other words - Tradition. Paul says as much in the following verses:
2 Thess. 2:15
Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the TRADITIONS that you were taught, EITHER by an ORAL statement OR by a LETTER of ours.
2 Thess. 3:6
Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the TRADITION that you received from us.
1 Cor. 11:2
Now I commend you for remembering me in everything and for maintaining the TRADITIONS, just as I passed them on to you.
Teaching a “believer’s only” or “immersion only” Baptism are relatively NEW traditions of men – and NOT teachings of the historic Christian faith.
The Early Church Fathers were unanimous in their teaching about Infant Baptism and Baptismal Regeneration – and they testified that these teachings were handed down to them by the Apostles themselves.
As for Hitler – yes, he jumped off the “boat”. He was NOT a Catholic in good standing - he was an apostate Christian. To be an “apostate” Christian – you MUST have been a professed Christian to begin with and turned you back on your beliefs.
If someone truly believes in Christ with a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14), then that person has everlasting life from the moment of first faith....life that can never come to an end....otherwise it is temporal instead of everlasting...and Jesus was lying when He said it was everlasting in John 5:24 and in John 6:47.
That it is the type of faith that apprehends the sealing of the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5) is evident; in that there is a type of faith that has no root in itself (Luke 8:13) and the person ends up falling away; while there is another type of faith (that does have root in itself) where the person endures to everlasting life (John 6:47).
That it is the type of faith that apprehends the sealing of the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5) is evident; in that there is a type of faith that has no root in itself (Luke 8:13) and the person ends up falling away; while there is another type of faith (that does have root in itself) where the person endures to everlasting life (John 6:47).
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I couldn't agree with you more.
You FINALLY understand that there are CONDITIONS to everlasting life - and you listed some of them (in RED).
Matt. 10:22
and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Heb. 3:14
We have come to share in Christ, IF indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.
Hi.
I have always taught these things.
I would ask, how is it that a man will not endure to the end if he is sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5)?
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Easy.
Heb. 3:14 states explicitly:
We have come to share in Christ IF indeed we hold to our original conviction firmly to the very end.
“IF” is the key word in this verse.
Matt. 10:22 says in NO uncertain terms:
And you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. BUT the one who endures to the end will be saved.
The operative word here is “BUT”.
The words “IF” and “BUT” are CONDITIONAL words. Notice that it doesn’t say that you will be saved “no matter what” you do.
These verses are conditional terms to verses like John 3:36:
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life.
CONTEXT is key . . .
Most certainly, there are some who believe who have not been sealed by the Holy Spirit (see Luke 8:13)...they have no root in themselves.
Those who do have root in themselves; and who are sealed by the Holy Spirit, are on one side of the "IF" and those who are not sealed fall on the other side of that "IF".
Therefore, if you know that you have been sealed by the Holy Spirit, you can be certain that you will endure unto the end.
Rev 17:14, These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
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That’s a nice thought – but totally devoid of any Scriptural understanding.
The “IF” and “BUT” and every other condition on salvation is for EVERYBODY who professes Christ – NOT just the weak ones.
There is NO provision in these conditional verses for what you are claiming.
Just your wishful thinking . . .
For those who believe with the heart, unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring unto the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14), they are sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5) unto having everlasting life (John 6:47); from the moment of first faith (John 5:24 (kjv)).
Maybe I am obsessed...
But I think that I do not spend more time on your posts than I do on the posts of everyone at these boards.
So I would say that my obsession is not with you, @BreadOfLife; but with making certain that sound doctrine prevails throughout these forums.
But I think that I do not spend more time on your posts than I do on the posts of everyone at these boards.
So I would say that my obsession is not with you, @BreadOfLife; but with making certain that sound doctrine prevails throughout these forums.
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Brother, you can objectively know that you have been sealed.
We call that the sacrament of Confirmation.
Peace be with you!
In Protestantism it is believer's baptism that provides absolute assurance.
You do not have to take a theology test concerning the Catechism of the Catholic Church in order to know that you have been sealed by the Holy Spirit.
For many, it is a matter of becoming hungry for the word and taking it in so that your belief/faith is in congruence with the word of the Lord because you are being transformed by the renewing of your mind.
I recall a story I once read by a protestant minister who went to a charismatic Catholic meeting. He knew that he had the Holy Spirit and his doctrine said that Catholics didn't.
He went to the meeting and the time came when the priest went around and laid his hand on people's foreheads. Many fell over. When it was our story teller's time to get the priest's prayer, he told himself that no matter how hard the priest pushed him, he wasn't going to fall over. He said the priest's hand got to about 3 feet from him and wham! God knocked him over. When he finally got up, he knew he had to change his attitude. Good for him.
He went to the meeting and the time came when the priest went around and laid his hand on people's foreheads. Many fell over. When it was our story teller's time to get the priest's prayer, he told himself that no matter how hard the priest pushed him, he wasn't going to fall over. He said the priest's hand got to about 3 feet from him and wham! God knocked him over. When he finally got up, he knew he had to change his attitude. Good for him.
Yes, there are born again catholics; however I would venture to say that those who are born again in the catholic church do not subscribe to certain catholic doctrines (such as Mary being co-mediatrix or co-redeemer, or praying to saints) because if they have the Spirit of truth, He will guide them into all truth concerning such doctrines. If they continue to believe in such false doctrines after receiving the "Holy Spirit" I would venture to say that they might be trusting in a counterfeit.
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No, you don't...
But you DO need to take responsibility for your walk with Christ!
Peace!
Philip James
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everyone who has been 'born again' is catholic, by definition..
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