Jesus isn't Catholic

[justbyfaith]

The Heart must be right though.....and only God knows the Heart.......I believe it was the Great Teacher Of God’s Word, Oliver Greene , That confessed the only reason he got baptized his first time was to impress some girl.....the baptism meant nothing to him.....

Yes, according to even Acts of the Apostles 2:38, repentance must precede baptism in Jesus' Name, in order for the remission of sins to occur and the gift of the Holy Ghost to be given.

 

[Behold]

Another post of desperate ad hominem - and another dodge.
As I said before - consider yourself Scripturally-spanked . . .

You sound stupid, but, i dont think you are stupid.
You are just so very deceived.

Here is your Queen.
Do you see this mess? This is your cult. This is what has wasted years of your life.
WAKE UP !
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[K9Buck]

You sound stupid, but, i dont think you are stupid.
You are just so very deceived.

Here is your Queen.
Do you see this mess? This is your cult. This is what has wasted years of your life.
WAKE UP !
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Another Mary-hating "Christian". Amazing. Bye.

 

[Behold]

Another Mary-hating "Christian". Amazing. Bye.

And you are another Mary worshiping deceived person.

 

[justbyfaith]

And you are another Mary worshiping deceived person.

Isn't that just a beautiful and wonderful witness for Christ.

(now I agree that mary worshipers are deceived....but you give credibility to their cause when you bear bad fruit in your endeavors to win them to the truth).

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's no lie that some in the Catholic Church were guilty of selling indulgences.

Seems to me like you are involving yourself in a giant cover-up to deny the sins of the Catholic Church...by accusing those who bring up its sins of being liars; thus attempting to shame the people of God into submission.

Johann Tetzel had no authority within the Catholic Church? How then did Luther's calling out of his statements have any credibility with people concerning the guilt of the Catholic Church itself?

From Wikipedia (Indulgence - Wikipedia):

The scandalous conduct of the "pardoners" was an immediate occasion of the Protestant Reformation.[3] In 1517, Pope Leo X offered indulgences for those who gave alms to rebuild St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. The aggressive marketing practices of Johann Tetzel in promoting this cause provoked Martin Luther to write his Ninety-five Theses, condemning what he saw as the purchase and sale of salvation. In Thesis 28 Luther objected to a saying attributed to Tetzel: "As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs".[42] The Ninety-five Theses not only denounced such transactions as worldly but denied the Pope's right to grant pardons on God's behalf in the first place: the only thing indulgences guaranteed, Luther said, was an increase in profit and greed, because the pardon of the Church was in God's power alone.[43]

Did Pope Leo X have no authority within the Catholic Church?

Really, the Catholic Church wasn't guilty because it was only individuals within it (like Pope Leo X) who were committing those sins (selling indulgences).

More of your ignorant manure . . .

As I have told you about a dozen times now - SOME within the Church, like Johann Tetzel were selling Indulgences. THEIR sins do not represent the ENTIRE Church – any more than YOUR sins represent YOUR entire sect.

I’m sure there are people in YOUR sect who are guilty of a myriad of sins. Does that mean that your ENTIRE sect is “guilty” of those sins? That’s an asinine view.

As to your question about Johann Tetzel – he had ZERO authority to change a Church discipline on his own. What he was doing was an ABUSE, not the norm - and it was NOT sanctioned by the Church.

As to Pope Leo – he wasn’t “selling” indulgences, either. Tetzel and his ilk were telling people that they could “buy” loved ones – and themselves out of Purgatory. Pope Leo simply granted indulgences for charitable giving. At the time, you were also able to gain an indulgence for giving alms to the poor. Because of the abuses of men like Tetzel, however, ALL allowances for monetary charitable giving have been removed.

If you can’t get your history right – then you shouldn’t post your lies at ALL . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So, the Protestant sects do not differ in doctrine in your opinion? I find that interesting...

If the only differences in Protestant denominations have to do with practice (such as whether the worship style is liturgical or casual)...then I consider that these differences are good in that they cater to people of different types; who are more inclined to go with one worship style rather than another. Because God wants to include all people in His salvation; and therefore He lets His church be all things to all men so that whoever you may be and whatever your disposition, you will find yourself comfortable in one of the denominations that has developed within Protestantism.

And it is not a stupid remark. Practice is indeed, most often, dictated by the teaching given concerning that practice.

Why do you LIE with such impunity?

Don’t you fear God?? Don’t you know that the Kingdom of Heaven will NOT include liars (Rev. 21:8)??

I NEVER said that Protestants did NOT differ in doctrine and that you differed “only” in practice. This is a flat out LIE of your own making. I merely said that Protestants believe in MANY of the same doctrines. YOU added the rest.

If you can’t have honest discussion – then you need to re-evaluate why you’re on a Christian discussion forum . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You don’t know if the Thief got a “ Pass”......Jesus “ could” have said, “ Hey , I would like to see you get Saved, but you HAVE to be baptized and you obviously can't get That Done ....sorry, man....you should have thought about getting Saved before you found yourself here......rules are rules after all, and God ain’t giving out “ passes”.......
Of course , Jesus never said those things and there is no record of Him being concerned about whether or not the Thief had been baptized or not.
“ What must I do to be Saved” asked the Philipian Jailer ..... “ Believe in The Lord Jesus” he was told.....NO MENTION of being “ water Baptized” was there? How flat- out Evil it would be to not mention it if it was Mandantory ......
The Bible mentions 10 Baptisms—- most of them Dry. Make sure you are “ Baptized into the Body Of Christ” ......neglect “ THAT” one and you can get baptized by water 50 times a day and you ain’t Saved. Wanna get into that BODY of Christ? Rest in Paul’s Gospel found in 1cor15:1-4 and you are “ in like Flint”—— Fit for Heaven!

Your understanding of Scripture is as empty and vapid as your understanding of Catholic teaching.

The Bible is clear that Baptism is a requirement for salvation (Mark 16:16, John 3:5, 1,Acts 2:38, Pet. 3:21). However, God CAN and DOES make exceptions, as in the case of the Thief on the cross. “Believing” in the Lord Jesus Christ, as the Philippian Jailer was told, INCLUDES believing His teaching on Baptism.

You’re rejection of this teaching speaks VOLUMES about your confusion . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You sound stupid, but, i dont think you are stupid.
You are just so very deceived.

Here is your Queen.
Do you see this mess? This is your cult. This is what has wasted years of your life.
WAKE UP !

Suuuurrre . . .

Lemme know when you're equipped to deal with the following Scriptural torpedos of your man-made Calvinist fairy tale of "OSAS" . . .

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek word for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential and relational knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
This one is self-explanatory . . .

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot blot out a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God “take away” somebody’s “share” of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

 

[Behold]

Isn't that just a beautiful and wonderful witness for Christ.

(now I agree that mary worshipers are deceived....but you give credibility to their cause when you bear bad fruit in your endeavors to win them to the truth).

You feel that hugging deceivers is God's will for you, vs confronting their heresy?

Study Paul, and try to grow up.

 

[Behold]

Suuuurrre . . .

Lemme know when you're equipped to deal with the following Scriptural torpedos of your man-made Calvinist fairy tale of "OSAS" . . .

Still quoting from other sources?
You can't think for yourself?
That's why you are a Catholic...

Listen...
The cult of mary is the Devil's lie.
Its based on the goddess Diana, its Pagan, and you are lost in it.
You are deeply involved in this deceit, and you need to realize it.
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[BreadOfLife]

Still quoting from other sources?
You can't think for yourself?
That's why you are a Catholic...

STILL not ready?
That's what I figured.

Take your time - I'm not going anywhere . . .

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Your understanding of Scripture is as empty and vapid as your understanding of Catholic teaching.

The Bible is clear that Baptism is a requirement for salvation (Mark 16:16, John 3:5, 1,Acts 2:38, Pet. 3:21). However, God CAN and DOES make exceptions, as in the case of the Thief on the cross. “Believing” in the Lord Jesus Christ, as the Philippian Jailer was told, INCLUDES believing His teaching on Baptism.

You’re rejection of this teaching speaks VOLUMES about your confusion . . .

Your opinions are pretty much worth what I Pay for them——Nothing.

 

[justbyfaith]

[email protected] you on Ignore again.

 

[justbyfaith]

You feel that hugging deceivers is God's will for you, vs confronting their heresy?

Study Paul, and try to grow up.

Calling someone else a deceived person only testifies of the fact that the one doing the name-calling is deceived themselves (see Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

 

[BreadOfLife]

[email protected] you on Ignore again.

Suuuuure you are.
You're obsessed . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your opinions are pretty much worth what I Pay for them——Nothing.

They're not MY opinions.
It's Scriptural truth - and 2000 years of Christian teaching.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

They're not MY opinions.
It's Scriptural truth - and 2000 years of Christian teaching.

2000 years of Lousy Teaching, for the most part......especially the Perverted, Added-To , so- called Gospels with the Catholic “ church” leading the pack.....thank God, he used Luther to rescue the Lost Teachings Of Paul—- and thank God there are a few out there today that have the Guts to preach “ Jesus Saves.Period.Grace Plus NOTHING.....

 

[BreadOfLife]

2000 years of Lousy Teaching, for the most part......especially the Perverted, Added-To , so- called Gospels with the Catholic “ church” leading the pack.....thank God, he used Luther to rescue the Lost Teachings Of Paul—- and thank God there are a few out there today that have the Guts to preach “ Jesus Saves.Period.Grace Plus NOTHING.....

Who said anything about “adding” to God’s grace?? So much ignorance – where to begin?
Okay, I’ll dumb it down for you . . .

Eph. 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God— not because of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

That pretty much says it in a nutshell.

Now – to that, add James’s definition of what “Faith” actually is (James 2:14-26) – and you can FULLY understand. To YOU, faith is just “believing”. However, to the Holy Spirit, who spoke THROUGH James, says that faith is NOT simply “believing”, because even the DEMONS do that much (James 2:19).

No – he illustrates that without works – faith is DEAD. Not “asleep”, but non-existent. These “works” are the very ones that God prepared for us in advance to do (Eph. 2:10) - so nobody is taking “credit” for them because we can’t.

It’s ALL so simple but you anti-Catholics pervert it and LIE about what Catholics teach – and then guys like me have to come and publicly expose you . . .

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Who said anything about “adding” to God’s grace?? So much ignorance – where to begin?
Okay, I’ll dumb it down for you . . .

Eph. 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God— not because of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

That pretty much says it in a nutshell.

Now – to that, add James’s definition of what “Faith” actually is (James 2:14-26) – and you can FULLY understand. To YOU, faith is just “believing”. However, to the Holy Spirit, who spoke THROUGH James, says that faith is NOT simply “believing”, because even the DEMONS do that much (James 2:19).

No – he illustrates that without works – faith is DEAD. Not “asleep”, but non-existent. These “works” are the very ones that God prepared for us in advance to do (Eph. 2:10) - so nobody is taking “credit” for them because we can’t.

It’s ALL so simple but you anti-Catholics pervert it and LIE about what Catholics teach – and then guys like me have to come and publicly expose you . . .

Big Yawn here.......please tell me this so we can cut to the chase.....If you had a 12 year old granddaughter and she asked you to reveal everything she must do to get Saved and stay saveD—- what would you tell her? Please try not to leave anything out......thanks....