DAY OF THE LORD

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Trekson

Well-Known Member
Jul 24, 2012
2,084
218
63
67
Kentucky
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Then you haven't been listening, because I have heard the 'majority' of those on pre-trib I've asked which 'wrath' Paul meant there, and they pointed directly to the "great tribulation". That idea is one of the main doctrines of the pre-trib doctors used to comfort (they think), by telling their believers they won't be here to suffer the tribulation. "Don't worry, we aren't appointed to wrath, we won't be here", they will say. So I don't know where you've been to not know this.

I was speaking of them using the term "satan's wrath" and I stand by my statement I've never heard a pre-tribber use that phrase in defining any kind of wrath but back to the first paragraph of your previous post I always have believed, when speaking of the latter days the word 'saints" refers to the church. Pre-wrath is different and yes we do believe that the short term great trib will occur sometime in the early years of the 70th week and it will be a direct result of satan's wrath upon the church, Rev. 12:17 and that our arrival in heaven at Rev. 7:9 is what ends the great trib. Everything else is either the wrath of the Lamb or the wrath of God. BTW, it's you who haven't been paying attention, I haven't been pre-trib for over 20 yrs. now. You keep making assumptions on what I believe before asking me if I believe in something or not and that's not a good way to have a fruitful discussion.
 

Timtofly

Well-Known Member
Apr 9, 2020
8,281
581
113
Mount Morris
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
What happens if you place 7 years of trouble and 3.5 more years given to Satan?

Math would state 7 plus 3.5 is equal to 10.5 years. That is the logical outcome of physical time. There is no overlap of physical time when it comes to God, and Satan’s time is added, not blended in.

The 2000 years cannot go past 2030AD. 30AD is when God declared time was over and time began. This 2000 year period cannot exceed it's boundaries. In fact, God could declare it over at any time now, and does not have to wait for His own timetable.

Now Jesus claimed that those days would be shortened, and they have been cut in half. Not Satan's time, but God’s wrath has been cut in half. God has shortened the 2000 years by 3.5 years. There does seem to be a lot of controversy about this end of God's plan that has been a mystery for 5990 years. God told us by the Writings of Moses, that is would only be a finite time of 6 "days", but not explicitly for us to keep understanding for 6000 years. We were commanded to Remember. If we had remembered, there would be no controversy or doctrinal contradictions.

If we hold that Jacob's trouble included Jesus' 3.5 years the first time on earth, then only 3.5 years are left as well. There was always going to be a time when Jesus would return and have His promised ministry on earth to Abraham. The first time satisfied God’s spiritual plan. This second time will satisfy the physical restoration promised to Abraham and David. This ministry would also be cut short, but how short does not involve math. The soon to happen earthly ministry will not start at an exact 3.5 year mark. The return will happen after the 3.5 years has started, thus not a pre-trib event. No one will recognize a trib had even started.
 

Davy

Well-Known Member
Feb 11, 2018
11,466
2,500
113
Southeastern U.S.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I was speaking of them using the term "satan's wrath" and I stand by my statement I've never heard a pre-tribber use that phrase in defining any kind of wrath but back to the first paragraph of your previous post I always have believed, when speaking of the latter days the word 'saints" refers to the church. Pre-wrath is different and yes we do believe that the short term great trib will occur sometime in the early years of the 70th week and it will be a direct result of satan's wrath upon the church, Rev. 12:17 and that our arrival in heaven at Rev. 7:9 is what ends the great trib. Everything else is either the wrath of the Lamb or the wrath of God. BTW, it's you who haven't been paying attention, I haven't been pre-trib for over 20 yrs. now. You keep making assumptions on what I believe before asking me if I believe in something or not and that's not a good way to have a fruitful discussion.

Just because you 'say' you've never heard it, doesn't mean they don't say it. If that revelation isn't good enough for you, then I can't help you.
 

Davy

Well-Known Member
Feb 11, 2018
11,466
2,500
113
Southeastern U.S.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
what are they you tubers you listen to? There is no reputable author or preacher I know of that teach pre trib the way you accuse us of!

We won't be here for the wrath of the 70th week of Daniel. The whole 7 years is Gods Wrath poured out!

what is a bizarre doctrine is this doctrine you have promoted that the 2nd half of the 70th week is the wrath of Satan! This is brand new!

I am directly asking you to show the people that you say are the "majority".

More SICKNESS showing there.
 

Trekson

Well-Known Member
Jul 24, 2012
2,084
218
63
67
Kentucky
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Just because you 'say' you've never heard it, doesn't mean they don't say it. If that revelation isn't good enough for you, then I can't help you.

I don't need "help" just having a conversation.
 

BOWnQUIVER

Active Member
Jul 7, 2020
237
60
28
73
catskills
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Nope.

JOEL 2 [30] And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. [31] THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS, AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE GREAT AND THE TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD COME.

In Joel we find the sun will be darkened and the moon into blood BEFORE the Day of the Lord

MARK 13 [24] But in those days, AFTER THAT TRIBULATION, the SUN SHALL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT,[25] And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.[26] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.[27] And then shall he send his angels, and shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

In Mark you see that AFTER the great tribulation the sun is darkened and the moon.....

In above scriptures youll see the Day of the Lord takes place AFTER the tribulation period

ALL the sriptures below say the Day of the Lord will last one year

ISAIAH 34 [4] And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. [8] For it is THE DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, and the YEAR OF RECOMPENCES for the controversy of Zion.

The day of the Lord’s vengeance = the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

ISAIAH 63 [3] I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. [4] For THE DAY OF VENGEANCE is in mine heart, and THE YEAR OF MY REDEEMED IS COME.

For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

ISAIAH 61 [1] The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; [2] TO PROCLAIM THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD, AND THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD; to comfort all that mourn;

Proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord

JEREMIAH 48 [44] He that fleeth from the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that getteth up out of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for I will bring upon it, even upon Moab, the YEAR OF THEIR VISITATION, saith the Lord. [45] They that fled stood under the shadow of Heshbon because of the force: but a fire shall come forth out of Heshbon, and a flame from the midst of Sihon, and shall devour the corner of Moab, and the crown of the head of the tumultuous ones. [46] Woe be unto thee, O Moab! the people of Chemosh perisheth: for thy sons are taken captives, and thy daughters captives. [47] Yet will I bring again the captivity of Moab IN THE LATTER DAYS, saith the Lord. Thus far is the judgment of Moab.

Year of visitation

JEREMIAH 23 [11] For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the Lord. [12] Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the YEAR OF THEIR VISITATION, saith the Lord.

The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them ( Jer.23 v 5-8). This will be done in the twinkling of an eye. As for the bad guys “for I will bring evil upon them, EVEN THE YEAR OF THEIR VISITATION, saith the Lord”.

LUKE 4 [17] And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, [18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19] TO PREACH THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.
 

Davy

Well-Known Member
Feb 11, 2018
11,466
2,500
113
Southeastern U.S.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I think I get what you're trying to say however I don't believe the ten lost tribes make up most of the gentile population. There is only one way to Christ even if you're an Israeli. there is no separate rule book for them. The 144,000 will be born again blood-washed believers who just happen to be Israeli. Their destiny is just different than ours.

That thinking reveals you do not actually understand about the ten lost tribes, but have succumbed to something else outside of God's Word. You reveal it by bringing up totally irrelevant points to the subject of the ten lost tribes.