Bible alone?

[Marymog]

Paul said The word can make a man complete.l I believe him, it is dad you do not

That makes no sense....You have no clue what I believe!!

 

[Marymog]

What books are in the bible? Any book that was inspired

how can we know they are inspired

they have no contradictions,

Sooooooo how do YOU know they were inspired? You trust the MEN of The Church to tell you that they were inspired....oh, wait a minute. We are not supposed to trust men or The Church. Never mind.....YOU just KNOW those books are inspired.....DANG IT....we can't say that either because you are a fallible man so you can't even assure me that they are inspired. What is the solution????

Solution: God has placed thru telekinesis into every Christians brain the knowledge of what books are inspired so that every man KNOWS without relying on man to know!! DANG IT...that doesn't work either since the Protestants reject 7 books of the bible.....Ugggg!! Why did God put something in YOUR head and not mine????

 

[Marymog]

Lol

I will pray for you

Thank you.

 

[Marymog]

it’s ok, Jesus said to search for the food which gives eternal life, not the food which perishes. And you think he means to eat the Eucharist,,lolololol

and you want me to listen to you or those who teach you?

lol thanks, but no thanks, I want the true bread fro heaven which whoever eats will NEVER DIE

Yes, he means to eat the Eucharist. Soooooo I don't know why your are Lol'ing at Jesus words and what Christians have done for 2,000 years including the Apostles!

He said "This is my body...Do this in remembrance of me". Soooooo do you do what he asked you to do? ( I asked you this before but you dodged it) Or do you just LOL away what He asked you to do?

 

[BreadOfLife]

How would you know?
The Roman Empire destroyed anything that went against their belief system, there would be no form of document available which would co trading them

Ay, ay, ay - another historically-warped response.

I'll ask YOU the same question I asked your fellow anti-Catholic, @Candidus:
WHY don't you accept those 7 Books as inspired Scripture?
WHO told you that they weren't inspired?

I've never met the Protestant who was able to give an historically-accurate answer to this question.
BUT, I'll wait here for your answer . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yet

1. they are made, to honor people
2. People bow to them
3 people generate them
4, I have even seen people kiss them

the problem is, much like other catholic issues, they take the defenition of a word and make it fit their theology.

1. Statues are USUALLY meant to honor people - just like the statues of the so-called "Reformers" at the Reformation Wall . . .

2. People don't bow to statues - they bow in prayer in front of a statue.
3. I don't know about "generating" them - but veneration is to whom they represent.
4. I've seen people kiss pictures of loved ones on MANY occasions. Does that mean they are "worshipping" an image??

EVERY one of your arguments is baseless and impotent.

 

[Marymog]

Circular reasoning

notice she never even touched the scripture I gave that proves scripture is completely capable of making us complete.

Complete lie....I addressed it in post #246.....

And I will address it further to show you how your theory is unsustainable: The letters to Timothy are pastoral letters meant for church leaders or elders of The Church. What Paul wrote to Timothy (who was a church leader) is that All Scripture is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

Using your interpretation that that passage is true for ALL Christians then all Christians can rebuke, correct and train any other Christian. And when does that end? So your theory is not sustainable.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Usefull is not the word maam
prophitable is the more adequate word, it means it can do what it says it can do
Paul made scripture. So how could paul violate when the word was still being created.

You excuse everything
Paul said The word can make a man complete.l I believe him, it is dad you do not
What books are in the bible? Any book that was inspired
how can we know they are inspired
they have no contradictions,
it’s ok, Jesus said to search for the food which gives eternal life, not the food which perishes. And you think he means to eat the Eucharist,,lolololol
and you want me to listen to you or those who teach you?
lol thanks, but no thanks, I want the true bread fro heaven which whoever eats will NEVER DIE
I am still waiting to hear why Mary had to fail to consummate her marriage, and how it effected her and Jesus if she did consummate it

silence

Let's deal with your blasphemous remark first - then we'll deal with Mary . . .

Paul didn't "make Scripture". He merely wrote it down.
GOD is the Author of Scripture - NOT Paul - but your worship of Paul is noted.

As for WHY Mary was a perpetual Virgin - because Scripture is perfect. As we see with every other OT Type and NT Fulfillment - God's plan is PERFECT. The similarities between the OT TYPES that were Adam and Isaac and Joseph and Moses, etc. were PERFECT.
The OT TYPE that was the Ark of the Covenant was FULFILLED by Mary.

OT - The Word was written by God on Tablets of Stone (Ex. 25:10) placed inside the Ark (Deut. 10:1)
NT - The Word of God became Flesh (John 1) conceived inside Mary (Luke 2:38) Mary carried the Word of God.

OT - "Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
NT - "Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43)

OT - The When the Ark carrying the Word of God returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Sam. 6:14)
NT - When Mary came into Elizabeth's presence carrying the word of God, the baby “leaped for joy” in Elizabeth's womb (Luke 2:38)

OT - The Ark carrying the Word of God is brought to the house of Obed-Edom for 3 months, where it was a blessing. (2 Sam. 6:11)
NT - Mary (the new Ark) carrying the Word of God goes to Elizabeth's house for 3 months, where she is a blessing (Luke 1:56)

OT - The Ark is captured (1 Sam 4:11) and brought to a foreign land and later returns (1 Sam 6:13)
NT - Mary (the new Ark) is exiled to a foreign land (Egypt) and later returns (Matt. 2:14)

OT - The On the Day of the Dedication of the Temple which Solomon built, there were 120 priests present (2 Chron. 5:11). The Ark of the covenant was carried into the Temple (2 Chron. 5:7) and fire came down from Heaven to consume the burnt offering (2 Chron. 7:7).
NT - On the Day of Pentecost, there were 120 disciples of Jesus present in the Upper Room (Acts 1:15). Mary, the Mother of Jesus and the Ark of the NEW Covenant was also present while the Holy Spirit came down as tongues of fire (Acts 2:3).

Finally - just as the Ark was not to be touched by the hands of man (2 Sam. 6:5-7) - neither was the Ark of the NEW Covenant.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Complete lie....I addressed it in post #246.....

And I will address it further to show you how your theory is unsustainable: The letters to Timothy are pastoral letters meant for church leaders or elders of The Church. What Paul wrote to Timothy (who was a church leader) is that All Scripture is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

Using your interpretation that that passage is true for ALL Christians then all Christians can rebuke, correct and train any other Christian. And when does that end? So your theory is not sustainable.

Your interpretation is

The Church is infallible

1. I reject your interpretation Paul did not say Timothy was able to do those things, he said scripture was

2. I repeat, you think your church can do no wrong, hence you are no authority or anything, thus speaking wth you is pointless,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Let's deal with your blasphemous remark first - then we'll deal with Mary . . .

Paul didn't "make Scripture". He merely wrote it down.
GOD is the Author of Scripture - NOT Paul - but your worship of Paul is noted.

As for WHY Mary was a perpetual Virgin - because Scripture is perfect. As we see with every other OT Type and NT Fulfillment - God's plan is PERFECT. The similarities between the OT TYPES that were Adam and Isaac and Joseph and Moses, etc. were PERFECT.
The OT TYPE that was the Ark of the Covenant was FULFILLED by Mary.

OT - The Word was written by God on Tablets of Stone (Ex. 25:10) placed inside the Ark (Deut. 10:1)
NT - The Word of God became Flesh (John 1) conceived inside Mary (Luke 2:38) Mary carried the Word of God.

OT - "Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
NT - "Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43)

OT - The When the Ark carrying the Word of God returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Sam. 6:14)
NT - When Mary came into Elizabeth's presence carrying the word of God, the baby “leaped for joy” in Elizabeth's womb (Luke 2:38)

OT - The Ark carrying the Word of God is brought to the house of Obed-Edom for 3 months, where it was a blessing. (2 Sam. 6:11)
NT - Mary (the new Ark) carrying the Word of God goes to Elizabeth's house for 3 months, where she is a blessing (Luke 1:56)

OT - The Ark is captured (1 Sam 4:11) and brought to a foreign land and later returns (1 Sam 6:13)
NT - Mary (the new Ark) is exiled to a foreign land (Egypt) and later returns (Matt. 2:14)

OT - The On the Day of the Dedication of the Temple which Solomon built, there were 120 priests present (2 Chron. 5:11). The Ark of the covenant was carried into the Temple (2 Chron. 5:7) and fire came down from Heaven to consume the burnt offering (2 Chron. 7:7).
NT - On the Day of Pentecost, there were 120 disciples of Jesus present in the Upper Room (Acts 1:15). Mary, the Mother of Jesus and the Ark of the NEW Covenant was also present while the Holy Spirit came down as tongues of fire (Acts 2:3).

Finally - just as the Ark was not to be touched by the hands of man (2 Sam. 6:5-7) - neither was the Ark of the NEW Covenant.

Yawn

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yawn

Thanks.
That proves TWO things:
1. Your claim that there is "silence" on the matter is false.
2. You are totally incapable of offering a Scriptural refutation of my Scriptural argument.

Thanks again for the admission . . .

 

[Taken]

Sooooooo how do YOU know they were inspired? You trust the MEN of The Church to tell you that they were inspired....oh, wait a minute. We are not supposed to trust men or The Church. Never mind.....YOU just KNOW those books are inspired.....DANG IT....we can't say that either because you are a fallible man so you can't even assure me that they are inspired. What is the solution????

Solution: God has placed thru telekinesis into every Christians brain the knowledge of what books are inspired so that every man KNOWS without relying on man to know!! DANG IT...that doesn't work either since the Protestants reject 7 books of the bible.....Ugggg!! Why did God put something in YOUR head and not mine????

Rom 8: [7] ... the carnal mind is enmity against God:

 

[Taken]

Yawn

Obvious you are speaking of the understanding of Christ's Spiritual Church...
And A catholic is pledged to hang on the understanding of the Catholic church.

The differences are at opposites ends of the spectrum.

PRAY For our Nation,
Taken

 

[Marymog]

1. I reject your interpretation Paul did not say Timothy was able to do those things, he said scripture was

2. I repeat, you think your church can do no wrong, hence you are no authority or anything, thus speaking wth you is pointless,

That's not my interpretation kiddo. It is just a mere fact. You should put that passage (2 Timothy 3:16) into context instead of cherry picking passage to what fits your belief system.

Verse 10 starts off giving instructions to TIMOTHY!! Not every living Christian.

ONCE AGAIN: If your THEORY were true, that ANYONE can use scripture for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness then that means I can correct and instruct and train YOU! Soooooo why are you rejecting my instruction, correction and training in righteousness????

YOUR THEORY IS NOT SUSTAINABLE!! IT DOES'T WORK!!!

YOU ARE RIGHT! The Church can do no wrong because it is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH!!!

YOU ARE RIGHT! I have no authority because Scipture does not give individual men authority. Scripture gives The Church authority to bind and loosen and treat others as pagen/tax collectors. Have you read those passages????

You admit to being fallible soooooo isn't speaking to you pointless???

Keeping it real...Mary

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And that's the ENTIRE point.
There are a LOT of "fringe" positions out there that fall within the parameters of Christianity.

MY question was about Authority - and WHO has it, per Matt. 18:15-18 when they disagree?

The elders of the local church have authority in matters of discipline.

When different local assemblies disagree- if they cannot work it out- they go their spearate ways hopefully as brethren with a disagreement.

The church has no central head. In the 1st Century James led the Jerusalem wing and Paul was the defacto head of teh gentile wing. But Paul taught men who appointed elders throughout the region, to run the local assemblies

The concept of a centralized authority did not begin until after Constantine legalized Christianity and the Bishop of rome became the first among equals later on.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Obvious you are speaking of the understanding of Christ's Spiritual Church...
And A catholic is pledged to hang on the understanding of the Catholic church.

The differences are at opposites ends of the spectrum.

PRAY For our Nation,
Taken

No

I am just bored with that persons arrogant posts,

he calls himself breadoflife

yet he rejects the bread of life,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's not my interpretation kiddo. It is just a mere fact. You should put that passage (2 Timothy 3:16) into context instead of cherry picking passage to what fits your belief system.

Verse 10 starts off giving instructions to TIMOTHY!! Not every living Christian.

ONCE AGAIN: If your THEORY were true, that ANYONE can use scripture for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness then that means I can correct and instruct and train YOU! Soooooo why are you rejecting my instruction, correction and training in righteousness????

YOUR THEORY IS NOT SUSTAINABLE!! IT DOES'T WORK!!!

YOU ARE RIGHT! The Church can do no wrong because it is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH!!!

YOU ARE RIGHT! I have no authority because Scipture does not give individual men authority. Scripture gives The Church authority to bind and loosen and treat others as pagen/tax collectors. Have you read those passages????

You admit to being fallible soooooo isn't speaking to you pointless???

Keeping it real...Mary

Your right, it’s your churches insterpretation. you are unable to think on your own I forgot.

I still reject their interpretation

Paul did not say Timothy could do that, he said scripture would do that

end of discussion (there is no real discussion just your churches word, which you admit to blindly following

 

[mjrhealth]

The final authority on everything is Christ, He is teh word of God, He is teh truth, raised up above even God Himself, and Just like God being cast aside, and what will men do when He says to them, " I never knew you",

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Guaranteed salvation is held by a fringe minority, invented by the same man who taught double predestination, held by a fringe minority. Calvin did flip flops confusing predestination to grace, with predestination to glory.

Ephesians 1:5 – Paul teaches that God “predestined” us in love to be His sons through Jesus Christ. “Predestination” means that God knows what we will do before we do it (it does not mean that God determines what we do; otherwise, we would have no freewill).

Predestination is taken from the Greek word “prooridzo” which means to know or declare in advance by God’s foreknowledge. See, for example, 1 Peter 1:2 where Peter writes about the “elect according to the foreknowledge of God.”

Wrong! Guarenteed salvation or eternal security is taught by the Word of God!

Pre-destination is not through Gods foreknowledge of what people will do, but Gods foreknowledge of What God opts to do!

Predestination in modern example is best described by taking a trip to a place you never have been and plug it in to a GPS. YOu knwo in advance you will arrive at your destination, because you marked it out in advance.

God's foreknowledge is pro-ginosko which is to mark out or know in advance. We get our word prognosis from it. Doctors know a patients prognosis (like when I had a seriously inflamed appendix last year). They say it will be fine because we ill do A,B,X,Y,Z. They know in adbvance because they know what they will do!

An unsaved person cannot choose to get saved of their own free will. For as it says in Romans that those in the flesh (human nature) cannot please God! And that means receiving Christ as Savior which definitely pleased God!

And then as it also says in Romans 9:

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

It is God who convicts, God who calls, god who saves, justifies, sanctifies and glorifies,He just enables us to participate with the work of His Holy Spirit within those He chooses.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Catholics can know if they are saved, but they cannot claim to be 100% infallibly certain they are saved until AFTER they are dead, not before. Otherwise, they would be contradicting Scripture. See above post.

This would be incorrect!

1 John 5:12-14
King James Version

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:


Catholics can have 100% confidence of their salvation (if they are saved) according to Gods Word! Mans Word says different.

Once we are born again- we cannot lose our salvation!