The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

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(2) OSAS advocates have frozen like Bambi in the headlights at the case against OSAS in the Letters to the 7 Churches. So let's move on to Hebrews. A few introductory comments are helpful to the discussion:
(a) No academic commentary on Hebrews supports Paul's authorship of this epistle.
(b) The scholarly consensus recognizes the addressees as the church of Rome, a Gentile church with some Jewish Christians. Thus, the earliest citations of Hebrews come from Rome.
(c) Like the Gentile church of Alexandria, the predominantly Gentile church of Rome was interested in OT typology.
Raymond Brown reports the scholarly consensus about Hebrews in his magisterial “An Introduction to the New Testament” (878 pages):

“Most scholars agree that the title “To the Hebrews” was not supplied by the author...Almost certainly it represents a conjecture attached to the work because of an analysis of the contents that deal so largely with Israelite cult...At the beginning they [the addressees] were properly enlightened and baptized into Christ. The community received the Christian message from evangelists whose work was accompanied by the working of miracles. The activity of the Holy Spirit was part of that experience (2:3-4: 6:4-5). Then...they were afflicted by some type of persecution, hostility, and/ or harassment (10:32-34). They were deprived of property and some were put in prison. (p. 697).”

The discussion of Hebrews will focus on 2 central texts in contexts that decisively refute OSAS.
(1) Hebrews 10:26. 29 jointly make it clear that born again believers can lose their salvation and become apostates destined for hellfire:

"If we willfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin, but a fearsome prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire (Heb. 10:26)."

Such apostates were once "made holy, but outraged the Spirit of grace (10:29)." But this holiness can be forfeited and therefore needs to be pursued: "Pursue holiness, without which no one will see the Lord (12:14)." (2) "It is impossible to restore again to repentance those who once been enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partners (Greek: "metachoi") with the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, since on their own, they are crucifying again the Son of God and are holding Him up for contempt (6:4-5)."

Such people do not benefit from eternal security. In the context the author likens them to ground that grows "thorns and thistles" that is "cursed" and destined to being "burned over (6:8)" and therefore to be consigned to Hell. Yet these apostates have received the "heavenly gift" of salvation (cp. Ephesians 2:8-9) and the Holy Spirit, and so, they were once born again of the Spirit.

The claim that those who become “metachoi” (= “partners” or “sharers” with the Holy Spirit might not actually possess the Holy Spirit can be dismissed on 2 grounds: (a) The author addresses his readers as "holy partners ("metachoi") in the heavenly calling" (3:1). (b) The author then warns: "For we have become partners ("metochoi") of Christ, if only we hold our FIRST confidence firm till the end (3:14)." By implication the saving partnership with Christ or the Holy Spirit is dissolved if we don't persevere until the end, but become apostates! "Metachoi" in 6:4 means "partners" as well as "sharers." So the Christians addressed in 6:4 "have become partners ("metochoi") with the Holy Spirit," meaning they have been saved by the work of the Spirit. The significance of the phrase, "it is impossible to restore again to repentance" must not be overlooked. "Restore again" implies the Christians in question have already genuinely repented when they became partners with Christ and the Holy Spirit. This is the standard interpretation of academic book commentaries on Hebrews, which posters here have never read. By academic book commentaries, I mean commentararies on just one Bible book written by PhDs in Scriptures who know and discuss in detail the nuances of the Greek text. For example, justbyfaith likes to cite John Courson, who is a pastor/ preacher, not a scholar qualified to discuss the Greek text in detail and who has not written ab an academic commentary focused on just one NT book.
 

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(2) OSAS advocates have frozen like Bambi in the headlights at the case against OSAS in the Letters to the 7 Churches.
You've just spoken for all of us here.

My silence on the thread shouldn't be misconstrued as being frozen in the headlights.

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I love when people slam eternal security, they basically make eternal life conditional and remove God out of the picture.

I don't believe in the anything goes of OSAS, but I am assured that I am saved. All my prayers are answered - 100%. But it is because of abiding in Christ with He in me, and keeping His commandments, not freedom to break them. Unfortunately, those who support the common doctrine of OSAS, know nothing about the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

1 John 3:21-24
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
 

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The discussion of Hebrews will focus on 2 central texts in contexts that decisively refute OSAS.
(1) Hebrews 10:26. 29 jointly make it clear that born again believers can lose their salvation and become apostates destined for hellfire:

"If we willfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin, but a fearsome prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire (Heb. 10:26)."

"If we willfully sin after we've received the knowledge . . .", isn't this the translation? Saying, "willfully persist in sin", or "go on sinning", or like that, at least to me, makes it sound like this is participle, rather than the present active, I choose to commit a sin in the present time.

IF it were true that this passage shows the condemnation of the apostate . . . who is saved? All Christians "willfully sin" after becoming Christians, as we are not immediately renewed.

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Who or what is the sin of the Nicolaitans?
I didn't realize you were finished with all the important names, titles and descriptions of Jesus in Revelation.

So far you said:

" Jesus is the 1st and the last, the beginning and the end."

are you done ?
 

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Indeed...

John 5:24, John 6:47, and John 10:27-30 all have within them the understanding that God gives eternal/everlasting life to those who believe on Him.

It is everlasting life.

But if it ever comes to an end, it was temporal all along. So then, Jesus would be lying in calling it everlasting, wouldn't He?
 
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I don't believe in the anything goes of OSAS, but I am assured that I am saved. All my prayers are answered - 100%. But it is because of abiding in Christ with He in me, and keeping His commandments, not freedom to break them. Unfortunately, those who support the common doctrine of OSAS, know nothing about the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

1 John 3:21-24
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
I do not believe in anything goes

OSAS also does not teach this. This is your fabrication of what we believe
 

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I do not believe in anything goes

OSAS also does not teach this. This is your fabrication of what we believe
And out come the usual false accusations of straw men. We're off to the races. Everything that follows will be exaggerated and twisted. Sandbox City
 

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I don't believe in the anything goes of OSAS, but I am assured that I am saved. All my prayers are answered - 100%. But it is because of abiding in Christ with He in me, and keeping His commandments, not freedom to break them. Unfortunately, those who support the common doctrine of OSAS, know nothing about the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

1 John 3:21-24
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Listen to what you said

you have eternal life as long as you abide and you obey

your trying to earn a reward not receive a gift
 

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The underlying questions in this endless debate are: What constitutes backsliding and how does it affect salvation? Why don't we just address the real questions?
 
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The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS-
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Anyone Against OSAS willing to Testify, the Lords Blessing of Salvation is Faulty?

Glory to God,
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