The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

[Nancy]

We do not run the race to earn salvation we run the race to do the “works god created us to do (EPH 2: 10) so we can be rewarded in heaven and recieve our crowns

salvation is not a race or a pride to earn. It is a gift Of god paid by his own blood

how do we feel when we work hard to purchase someone we love a gift. Then give that gift to them and they say they have to work to pay you back or earn that gift?
If we answer anything other than we are
Insulted something is wrong

now think how God feels when we do that very thing when he gives us a gift
Paid For by his Sons blood?

something to think about

Well, I did not even mention the very elemental truth that one cannot "earn" salvation...that is a given. And yes, I agree we run the race set before us to "good works" that He has placed before us to walk into, and we will receive a crown to cast before Christ's feet. If we are obedient we serve Him if we are not obedient to Him then we are aligning ourselves with Satan. One or the other...And if we love Him, we WILL follow His commands. I can see some still being "saved" but to where? Outer darkness?
I do believe a saved (or a "being" saved) person can definitely turn away from the Lord and it happens allot. So , if they are not serving God, then who ARE they serving??

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well, I did not even mention the very elemental truth that one cannot "earn" salvation...that is a given. And yes, I agree we run the race set before us to "good works" that He has placed before us to walk into, and we will receive a crown to cast before Christ's feet. If we are obedient we serve Him if we are not obedient to Him then we are aligning ourselves with Satan. One or the other...And if we love Him, we WILL follow His commands. I can see some still being "saved" but to where? Outer darkness?
I do believe a saved (or a "being" saved) person can definitely turn away from the Lord and it happens allot. So , if they are not serving God, then who ARE they serving??

I believe if you are not for Christ you are against him. And as such are an antichrist and unbeliever

and I think John tells us if those who claimed to be part of the church and left as those who were never of us

John also told us those who live in sin has Never seen or known God. And those born of god will not live in sin

if we love him we keep his commands. This is characteristic of true believers as apposed to those who claim to be believers

so I do not believe salvation can be lost. Eternal life is eternal

I also believe many claim to be saved yet have never truly been saved and like dogs they return to their vomit. Because they were never made a new creature in Christ

 

[Renniks]

They are not meaningless; because they produce in us the fear of the LORD; and it is through the fear of the LORD that we are eternally secure.

Why would I fear if it's impossible to fall away? That makes no sense. If we are eternity secure, my fear or lack of fear is irrelevant.

 

[Renniks]

Consider that no one is able to pluck us out of God's hand (John 10:27-30).

So, one might say, we can walk away ourselves.

Exactly. So eternal security is not the idea that we can not give away our salvation. I don't like the term " losing salvation" because that implies I can accidentally walk away. I believe it's a deliberate choice, but we can be saved and go back to being lost.

 

[Taken]

Lol

the spirit of fear they preach they have to hide. Because Paul said god did not give us a spirit of fear but sound mind

they have to somehow relate a sound mind to possible loss if salvation

to me. That is in direct contradiction with each other

Brainwashing might be a required class.

 

[BarneyFife]

BarnyFife- Sarcasm-
ok, I'll keep that in mind when you post.



Love is doing what is Right regardless of the Consequences.



Pss 11:
[7] For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.



What does love mean in your world?
Sarcasm ?

How can love equal righteousness in the verse you quote?
I don't have a world, but my understanding is that love is the very essence of God, since the Bible says, in the plainest terms, that "God is love." None of this is sarcasm, I assure you.

 

[BarneyFife]

Isn't it odd, people against being Saved Once, fail to mention how many times they have been Saved.

I'm still waiting to be saved. I trust God's will and process.

 

[BarneyFife]

I am perfected. Not that I am perfect.

Ok

 

[BarneyFife]

So you believe you can reach sinless perfection? How do?

Heb 10 days I am perfected. Not that I am perfect. I have the righteousness of Christ not my own righteousness

The Bible says I can have as much of Christ's righteousness as I desire:
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. (Matthew 5:6)

 

[BarneyFife]

No difference

and you made a point. Hence why we will never be perfect. Our love is not perfect love like Gods is

I would die for your right to believe in OSAS. Religious liberty is the most important among a few other things that are worth a human life.

Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. (1 John 3:16)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Bible says I can have as much of Christ's righteousness as I desire:
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. (Matthew 5:6)

Heb says I have it all

but I still am not perfect. So do you think your sinless?

 

[BarneyFife]

Unsure as they are about their own Salvation, perhaps they are in hiding sending prayers requests to their intercessory Heavenly saints for whiteout.

Why would they need to hide for that unless they were in a country without religious liberty? Whiteout?

 

[BarneyFife]

Heb says I have it all

but I still am not perfect. So do you think your sinless?

I am as free of sin as I truly desire to be. So is everyone else. The fact that I have sin is no excuse for sin. Isn't that obvious?

 

[Taken]

I think you missed my point the consequences actually affect what is "right".

On a simple case righteous deeds, helping people in need which leads to sacrifice is the right thing to do.
I think what you mean by consequences is cost personally. But this also points out the problem with language, a summary can read one thing in the writers mind and another thing in the readers.

Consequences I was pointing out is the effect it has on others. Another thing I have noticed is if one points out a different perspective on someones words, the statement that this is not what they meant is often said, but in truth, real truth, if the words do not spell this out, it is fair to bring other perspectives.

One believer claimed we are not yoked to Christ to follow in His footsteps but adoring sinners incapable of following or being like Jesus.
As John would say, then you are not a follower or a believer. I am learning not to compromise and be nice to unbelievers and those who do not actually have faith or love for Christ.

The warnings Jesus gives are not really about heaven or hell, but spiritual reality of entering the Kingdom or not, and sadly many stand claiming pompously who has entered and who has not. But they by their own declarations and condemnation condemn themselves to not have entered the Kingdom. Jesus was very precise what He condemned, obvious sin and heresy. And core to this was actually love in ones heart. If it is not there there is no reality in the Lord. God bless you

Consequences always have an effect.
Point Being always do what is Right, no matter the Consequences.

 

[FollowHim]

I believe if you are not for Christ you are against him. And as such are an antichrist and unbeliever
and I think John tells us if those who claimed to be part of the church and left as those who were never of us
John also told us those who live in sin has Never seen or known God. And those born of god will not live in sin
if we love him we keep his commands. This is characteristic of true believers as apposed to those who claim to be believers
so I do not believe salvation can be lost. Eternal life is eternal
I also believe many claim to be saved yet have never truly been saved and like dogs they return to their vomit. Because they were never made a new creature in Christ

"If you are not for Christ you are against him"

How many believers on this thread are not for Christ?
There maybe some atheists but from a quick pole all appear to be for Christ, so by this remark, no one is antichrist and an unbeliever.

What seems a real contradiction is when a believer shares their faith in Jesus and their walking in His ways is told they are not saved or redeemed or cleansed or purified and made whole. Who has the right to do this other than God, who alone can see each mans hearts?

And if people are raising themselves up to being God and judging others they should beware because God will judge them in like manner.

This is why I approach others as they see themselves and share my testimony and experience. I always hope that out of this we can be encouraged and desire to walk and know Jesus more. It is so hard to say what is an authentic experience in Christ, and what is coming to faith and passing from death to life. If one is still dead, there is no passing or awareness of it. If one comes into life there is a real sense of glory, forgiveness, love, refreshing, joy, praise and worship. But we alone know this in ourselves, so that is actually where it stays.

It has become clear though many are lost at this description, or experience, and either vehmently want to deny it or get very angry that they have not experienced it and how dare anyone claim they should. I cannot bring new life to anyone, but I can share my experience and growth in Christ.

Again someone said once this was not growth in Christ but the enemy. Now this again is a very odd statement to make, because only the Lord knows this reality. But the presumption of some and the teaching that this kind of judgementalism is spiritual maturity grieves my heart, because it is 100% against the Lord and His teaching. It is like a person turning up to a pacifist conference with guns strapped to them, knives and axes at the ready and wonders why people might recognise they are definitely not a pacifist and are in the wrong place.

 

[BarneyFife]

Lol

the spirit of fear they preach they have to hide. Because Paul said god did not give us a spirit of fear but sound mind

they have to somehow relate a sound mind to possible loss if salvation

to me. That is in direct contradiction with each other

That much is quite obvious. I mean that you equate non-OSAS with insanity.

 

[Taken]

I'm still waiting to be saved. I trust God's will and process.

What do you expected Saved and Saved from what?

 

[FollowHim]

Consequences always have an effect.
Point Being always do what is Right, no matter the Consequences.

Do you know what is right? What would you say is the right thing to do?
What your wife wants, what your boss wants, what you president wants or your pastor?
And what happens if you do not do what is right?

 

[Taken]

How can love equal righteousness in the verse you quote?
I don't have a world, but my understanding is that love is the very essence of God, since the Bible says, in the plainest terms, that "God is love." None of this is sarcasm, I assure you.

Ok God is love.
Do you say to a spouse I god you?

 

[BarneyFife]

What do you expected Saved and Saved from what?

I will not be fully "saved" until sin is eradicated from the universe. Neither will anyone else.