If one takes a gnostic view, we are perfect spirit with a fallen flesh, they have a vessel where they can have salvation locked in without boundaries or responsibilities which can be failed.
What I do not understand is how they can cope with all the parables of believers who fail to stay faithful or loyal to God and get cast out and put with the sinners. They create an addition not in the story that these were only false believers. Some go as far as to say one is saved by faith without fruit, or no external sign and this is a valid experience except Paul emphasis exactly the opposite. My conclusion was a different faith has arisen within christianity which redefines all the words and meaning to meet their own theology without reference to its obvious meaning.
That was fine for me, until any believer who did not agree with them was an anti Christ, worse than a murderer etc. Some suggested faithful believers should be expelled from churches etc. It is ironic these sentiments are heretical and traditionally rejected, yet they will use any technique and approach to assert only their view and if you have another you are deluded, evil and to be resisted. There theology and view works well in a wealthy middle class society where the difference between believers and sinners is difficult to see. But in a poor society or ridiculously rich society the differences become obvious because sinners have no reason to hide their true nature or show any restraint.
