All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[ChristisGod]

You sound completely misguided, Christophany. You continuously made your appeal towards, and quoted, non-Biblical nor authorized; literature, terminology , principles and councils. You have audaciously and defiantly employed a pagan syncretism into your theology, by endorsing uninspired decrees, uninspired councils and nomenclature that is entirely foreign to Scripture in both translation and function.
You showed your true colours and competency by making an appeal to the Communicatio Idiomatum, and the Council of Constantinople.

My post was filled with Scripture so I'm sorry you reject Gods word.

 

[Truther]

Excellent discussion, folks.

 

[Truther]

Seeing as the power to be everywhere at the same time, means that even if the Word emptied Himself, God could still encompass Him and everything else.

The trinity inadvertently teaches the 2nd person became a man, yet had a separate and distinct divine nature..a 4th entity acting as an individual.

 

[CharismaticLady]

That's okay too.

Just think about this though.

Paul called Jesus the last Adam.

This means he was an "Adam".

This means the 1st Adam was perfect, yet fell.

This means the last Adam was perfect, but chose to not fall.

Etc.

Those that will spend eternity in heaven will not be able to sin and create the same cycle of sin and death as before. Earth is our testing ground, and only those who have the Spirit of God/Spirit of Christ will be allowed to enter eternity. The testing is over for both angels and man.

 

[Truther]

Those that will spend eternity in heaven will not be able to sin and create the same cycle of sin and death as before. Earth is our testing ground, and only those who have the Spirit of God/Spirit of Christ will be allowed to enter eternity. The testing is over for both angels and man.

Amen

 

[CharismaticLady]

The trinity inadvertently teaches the 2nd person became a man, yet had a separate and distinct divine nature..a 4th entity acting as an individual.

I see the Word and Jesus as the same, and only glory was removed and then restored.

 

[Truther]

I see the Word and Jesus as the same, and only glory was removed and then restored.

The man Christ Jesus was made flesh by the spoken word of God per Matt 1.

 

[Heyzeus]

Only the Word emptied Himself of the omni powers.

Sure .. but unfortunately - The word was all the power ... so if the word was all the power ..and it gave all those powers up .. how did it get those powers back.

I think you are misunderstanding - due to bad translation - the Logos Concept that Paul was using to describe the divinity of Jesus.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The man Christ Jesus was made flesh by the spoken word of God per Matt 1.

Interesting - verse?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Sure .. but unfortunately - The word was all the power ... so if the word was all the power ..and it gave all those powers up .. how did it get those powers back.

I think you are misunderstanding - due to bad translation - the Logos Concept that Paul was using to describe the divinity of Jesus.

The Word wasn't the power, the Spirit was. All three are needed to create.

 

[Heyzeus]

The Father was in Jesus' body per John 14:10.

When Satan tempted Jesus, the Father inside Jesus spoke through Jesus per John 14(the words I speak are not mine but the Father's), rebuking Satan.

What do you mean "The Father Spoke to Jesus" .. the Father "IS" Jesus according to this play..

ad when Jesus says things like The words I speak are not mine but my Fathers" He means it .. because he is not the Father .. he is a son of God.. similar to the other Sons of God mentioned in the Bible .. YHWH himself being one of the Sons of "The Father"

"In the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) translation (and LXX) of Deut 32:8–9 we find evidence of Yahweh being a son of El,"

Deut 32:8-9 “When the Most High (El -Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance, When He divided up humanity, He fixed the boundaries for peoples, According to the number of the sons of the divine: For Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob His own inheritance

Deut 32:43
O heavens, rejoice with Him, Bow to him all sons of the divine
O nations, rejoice with his people and let all angels of the divine Strengthen themselves in Him
For He’ll avenge the blood of His Son’s, Be vengeful, and wreak vengeance and recompense justice on his foes
Requite those who reject Him, and the Lord will Cleanse his peoples land.

Job 1 "One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.7“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan"

Many sons of the divine .. note that these are not angels .. these sons of God hang out with God from time to time .. converse with God and Satan is one of the Sons of God..

The quotes from Deut are from older Bibles - as in the one (LXX) that was in use at the time of Jesus .. prior to the Bible being mostly stripped of references to other divinities ..

So in the Bible these folks were using .. and that version of the OT was all they had to go on other than Mark .. they knew who the Sons of God were .. they were "Sons of God" .

 

[Heyzeus]

The Word wasn't the power, the Spirit was. All three are needed to create.

No .. The word was the Power .. the spirit just a conduit .. The universe was created by "The Word" not by "the spirit"

 

[CharismaticLady]

What do you mean "The Father Spoke to Jesus" .. the Father "IS" Jesus according to this play..

ad when Jesus says things like The words I speak are not mine but my Fathers" He means it .. because he is not the Father .. he is a son of God.. similar to the other Sons of God mentioned in the Bible .. YHWH himself being one of the Sons of "The Father"

"In the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) translation (and LXX) of Deut 32:8–9 we find evidence of Yahweh being a son of El,"

Deut 32:8-9 “When the Most High (El -Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance, When He divided up humanity, He fixed the boundaries for peoples, According to the number of the sons of the divine: For Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob His own inheritance

Deut 32:43
O heavens, rejoice with Him, Bow to him all sons of the divine
O nations, rejoice with his people and let all angels of the divine Strengthen themselves in Him
For He’ll avenge the blood of His Son’s, Be vengeful, and wreak vengeance and recompense justice on his foes
Requite those who reject Him, and the Lord will Cleanse his peoples land.

Job 1 "One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.7“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan"

Many sons of the divine .. note that these are not angels .. these sons of God hang out with God from time to time .. converse with God and Satan is one of the Sons of God..

The quotes from Deut are from older Bibles - as in the one (LXX) that was in use at the time of Jesus .. prior to the Bible being mostly stripped of references to other divinities ..

So in the Bible these folks were using .. and that version of the OT was all they had to go on other than Mark .. they knew who the Sons of God were .. they were "Sons of God" .

Jesus is the body of flesh, including a brain.
The omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent Father is the invisible mind inside the brain, showing Jesus things in heaven.
The Spirit is the invisible life force and power.[/QUOTE]

 

[Heyzeus]

Jesus is the body of flesh, including a brain.
The omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent Father is the invisible mind inside the brain, showing Jesus things in heaven.
The Spirit is the invisible life force and power.

[/QUOTE]

That's a nice story - just as long as we know that one is separate from the other .. and one subordinate to the other. Its funny how so many on here have been trying to guess at this doctrine .. not not yet got it .. you have Big Chief .. you have Little Chief .. and do not confuse one - with the other ... yet they are one in spirit.


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[justbyfaith]

I know that the holy scriptures teach that in the latter days men will not endure sound doctrine; but will heap to themselves teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear...

It takes a heart of maturity to stay true to sound doctrine when false doctrine is being preached by someone...there will always be those who, knowing sound doctrine, will nevertheless turn from it to that which tickles the ears...

 

[CharismaticLady]

No .. The word was the Power .. the spirit just a conduit .. The universe was created by "The Word" not by "the spirit"

All of them are one

 

[Heyzeus]

I know that the holy scriptures teach that in the latter days men will not endure sound doctrine; but will heap to themselves teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear...

It takes a heart of maturity to stay true to sound doctrine when false doctrine is being preached by someone...there will always be those who, knowing sound doctrine, will nevertheless turn from it to that which tickles the ears...

You talking to yourself ? .. what problem have you with my doctrine - now revealed to you.. what part of the Trinity is not satisfied.

Does doctrine not tell you that the son is not the Father ? Yet they are One .. Big Chief .. Little Chief .. one subordinate to the other .. one is the Father .. the other .. not so much .. the Son .. well .. the good son .. not that other rebellious brat (joke)

Yet they are one in spirit .. Its the only version that fits .. Occam's Razor - the most reasonable explanation is likely the best .. and you have not done your homework .. but I have done it for you.

So tell me .. and all the other Subordinatists in history .. why we got it wrong .. Fancy Pants .. Why am I the heritic ? ..

 

[justbyfaith]

You talking to yourself ? .. what problem have you with my doctrine - now revealed to you.. what part of the Trinity is not satisfied.

Does doctrine not tell you that the son is not the Father ? Yet they are One .. Big Chief .. Little Chief .. one subordinate to the other .. one is the Father .. the other .. not so much .. the Son .. well .. the good son .. not that other rebellious brat (joke)

Yet they are one in spirit .. Its the only version that fits .. Occam's Razor - the most reasonable explanation is likely the best .. and you have not done your homework .. but I have done it for you.

So tell me .. and all the other Subordinatists in history .. why we got it wrong .. Fancy Pants .. Why am I the heritic ? ..

I believe that the Son is the Father (though I also believe that the Father is not the Son)...Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 57:15, 1 John 4:1-3 + 2 John 1:7.

 

[Heyzeus]

All of them are one

In spirit yes.. yet the Trinity doctrine holds them as separate in substance ..

 

[kcnalp]

And your Trolling

So you are also saying Jesus was a sinner!