All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[Heyzeus]

No I didn't. You're lying! Truther said Jesus was a sinner.

I didn't say you said anything .. just repeated what you said back to you .. and now you are mad..

ahhhh... these demons twist ones thoughts .. back ... get back dark one.

 

[Heyzeus]

false the Trinity is the One God(Being, Nature, Substance, Essence)and 3 in Persons.

in this case ignorance in not bliss on your part. you think you know but in reality you are clueless and just regurgitate what you have been told which is wrong. no Trinitarian Theologian agrees with you but they all are in agreement with me.

I'm friends with many of them who have written books on the Trinity and Deity of Christ. They would agree with everything I have stated in this thread.

next.......................

hope this helps !!!

Well .. no actually there are not People - other than Jesus - in the Trinity. The term is "Substance" and it is there for a reason .. and it was the general term for everything that wasn't God . .to everyone in the room that created this doctrine ..

Sorry .. but you are wrong.

 

[kcnalp]

I didn't say you said anything .. just repeated what you said back to you .. and now you are mad..

ahhhh... these demons twist ones thoughts .. back ... get back dark one.

Your lie: "Did you say Jesus was a sinner .. ?"

 

[Heyzeus]

Your lie: "Did you say Jesus was a sinner .. ?"

Was that not your question ?

 

[kcnalp]

Was that not your question ?

Jesus was not a sinner! Stop implying I said He was!

 

[kcnalp]

Was that not your question ?

Don't you even remember that was your question? lol

 

[ChristisGod]

Don't you even remember that was your question? lol

she/he is intentionally trolling you best to ignore him/her

 

[kcnalp]

she/he is intentionally trolling you best to ignore him/her

I agree. Demons call Christians demons.

 

[DNB]

My post was filled with Scripture so I'm sorry you reject Gods word.

Misinterpreted and isolated Scripture, then substantiated by unauthorized and uninspired men, creeds and councils.

 

[Heyzeus]

Jesus was not a sinner! Stop implying I said He was!

You are confused

You said - So you are also saying Jesus was a sinner!
I said - Did you say Jesus was a sinner ?

I didn't accuse you of being a sinner .. just making fun of your accusation by doing the same as you were doing..

 

[Heyzeus]

she/he is intentionally trolling you best to ignore him/her

Bull Twaddle the one you are posting to is the Troll .. running around calling people murderers .. claiming they called Jesus a Sinner .. and being generally obnoxious with no coherent response.

 

[Heyzeus]

I agree. Demons call Christians demons.

Happens all the time .. and you are guilty as charged your modus operandi in fact "demonization of the other" - "What cult did you say you belonged to ? was it JW or some such thing " Your words not mine

 

[Truther]

Interesting - verse?

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying

 

[Truther]

What do you mean "The Father Spoke to Jesus" .. the Father "IS" Jesus according to this play..

ad when Jesus says things like The words I speak are not mine but my Fathers" He means it .. because he is not the Father .. he is a son of God.. similar to the other Sons of God mentioned in the Bible .. YHWH himself being one of the Sons of "The Father"

"In the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) translation (and LXX) of Deut 32:8–9 we find evidence of Yahweh being a son of El,"

Deut 32:8-9 “When the Most High (El -Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance, When He divided up humanity, He fixed the boundaries for peoples, According to the number of the sons of the divine: For Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob His own inheritance

Deut 32:43
O heavens, rejoice with Him, Bow to him all sons of the divine
O nations, rejoice with his people and let all angels of the divine Strengthen themselves in Him
For He’ll avenge the blood of His Son’s, Be vengeful, and wreak vengeance and recompense justice on his foes
Requite those who reject Him, and the Lord will Cleanse his peoples land.

Job 1 "One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.7“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan"

Many sons of the divine .. note that these are not angels .. these sons of God hang out with God from time to time .. converse with God and Satan is one of the Sons of God..

The quotes from Deut are from older Bibles - as in the one (LXX) that was in use at the time of Jesus .. prior to the Bible being mostly stripped of references to other divinities ..

So in the Bible these folks were using .. and that version of the OT was all they had to go on other than Mark .. they knew who the Sons of God were .. they were "Sons of God" .

No, the Father spoke THROUGH Jesus...

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

 

[Truther]

How do you know? Is there anything in the Bible you believe? You call Jesus a sinner!

I believe it all.

I KNOW for sure God is a Spirit, not a human nature, nor does God possess a teeny tiny part of a human nature.

Human nature is weakness.

We are only invited to share in His divine nature, not He swaps with us and get's a human nature.

 

[Truther]

But you said Jesus wasn't good. lol

No, Jesus said only God was good.

You quote the verse and reexplain what else he supposedly said.

 

[Truther]

You say Jesus wasn't good. Make up your mind.

The only good he had was his inner, good, Holy Ghost(God), which led him to die and be made sin for us.

Even as he did not sin, he never led folks on that he was good, knowing he had the potential to sin like the 1st Adam had the potential to sin.

He even questioned his good God's will.

He fought to survive his sinless lifestyle.

 

[Truther]

Actually, like us (Ephesians 3:19-20).

You have the Holy Ghost without measure?

 

[Truther]

Well of course. Jesus is God.

John 1 The Word was God.

God was in Himself?

 

[Heyzeus]

Some people try to use water in three forms. Liquid, ice, and steam. It just doesn't compute for me, like a human being does.

@Heyzeus

Here is the thing .. when you get into the gory details - these small differences in doctrine do not matter .. but remember they were once much more fluid ... and the folks that put the finishing touches on were goblins .. the people that Jesus hated .. and said so in no uncertain terms.. the the wolves in sheeps clothing he referred to in Matt 7 .. if you want my opinion

but what resulted from this - when these folks got power .. have you read the history .. start to finish ... like the bible ... I have .. or pret neer.. not pretty .. The Church did some horrible things in the name of this .. "dogma" and that is all it is .. just like with sola fide .. which the majority of the church does not believe .. yet one segment stakes their whole future on it ..

God is one .. what ever form that you want this to take in your life . is not going to change because Jesus was 30% divine or 100% divine ..

I focus on how Jesus tells us to live our lives .. and by Jesus .. I mean the real one .. which is not easy to tease out in some ways .. but very easy in others.

Rule that sums up the Law and the Prophets is where one should begin - Matt 7:12 .. then after telling you what you should do ... talks about them wolves .. the ones that don't follow this rule .. those full of hate and war .. power hungry nespotic ..were thouse that brought us the Trinity..

I ask myself one question .. What would Jesus say - and you will have a different answer than me and the next a differnt one

My answer starts with how to make the world a better place .. and follow the Golden Rule in all is splendor .. Something Christianity is still failing to do in many respects .. not near enough emphasis .. .. in particular the fundamentalists .. which is unfortunate because they are good people .. but Jesus was not into forcing religious belief others through physical violence ... and political activism in that direction (Law)

Jesus was not an Islamist - didn't believe in mixing Church and State - Give unto Ceasar .. and follow the Golden rule .. which is the basis for the Social Contract and thus our Constitution .. founding principles .. and so on.

Jesus was a Secularist - Full Stop ...

Don't favor Biden this election .. for a number of Reasons .. but in a debate with Paul Ryan ? .. in one of the Obama elections - hit the nail on the head - debating abortion. Said "As a Catholic I am against it .. but I don't believe in forcing my personal religious beliefs on others - through Law.

Ding Ding Ding .. thats what the rule is about ... making that distinction .. When you make a law you are threatening physical violence if that person does what ever it is you dont want them to do .. and "God says so" is not a legitimate Justification

This is the Wisdom of Jesus .. as per Thomas Jefferson and Crew ..