I have. Now, give Romans 9 a good read.Just read through Romans 11 a few times.
Tong
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I have. Now, give Romans 9 a good read.Just read through Romans 11 a few times.
Yes; that chapter also speaks of the fact that "they are not all Israel which are of Israel."I have. Now, give Romans 9 a good read.
Tong
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What's the difference?What I said is "So, the new covenant is between God and Israel." I did not say that the new covenant is for the Jews only.
Have a good read of Romans 9.What's the difference?
I can see that you see it now.Yes; that chapter also speaks of the fact that "they are not all Israel which are of Israel."
So, you are saying that Gentiles are included in Israel, correct?I can see that you see it now.
Tong
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What I was saying is that the new covenant prophecy of Jeremiah is between God and Israel, not between God and the Jews, and later the Gentiles were included for some reason. And what I was saying also is that the new covenant is between God and Israel, where Israel are not all of Israel. Paul elsewhere in scriptures clarified that those who make up the Israel of God are those who are born according to the Spirit and not those who are born of the flesh. With that, race is of no avail and really of no consequence. Are you a Jew or a descendant of Jacob? Are you a Gentile? That does not make people the Israel of God. Are you born according to the Spirit or not? If so, then you are of Israel.So, you are saying that Gentiles are included in Israel, correct?
see Ezekiel , where Israel is to be reborn unto the Lord!While there is a new covenant, I know of no scriptures that speak of a new Israel, more so that this new Israel is the church, unless you can show scriptures that speaks of a new covenant between God and of a new Israel, and that the new Israel is the church.
Tong
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One can look at it that way. But nothing in there that say or effectively say that Israel there is the church that Jesus Christ said He will build. Not saying that it is or it is not. Just saying Ezekiel does not say.see Ezekiel , where Israel is to be reborn unto the Lord!
no one is saved in this life, salvation happens at the moment of death if your in the grace of God and faithful, Jn15:1 Matt 24:13
John 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
I don't have any problem with the passage sir
Once you die in a state of Christ sanctifying grace you are saved at that point and yes once saved always saved
Faith alone?
John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)
So.... OSAS is true. The "many" just have the timing wrong.
Wheres your "born again" timing stand?
1PETER1
[4] To AN INHERITANCE INCORRUPTIBLE, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
[5] Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME.
[9] Receiving the END OF YOUR FAITH, EVEN THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;
[23] BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED, BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1COR.15
[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. IT IS SOWN IN CORRUPTION; IT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. THERE IS A NATURAL BODY, AND THERE IS A SPIRITUAL BODY. ........
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Phil.3{21}
[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; NEITHER DOTH CORRUPTION INHERIT INCORRUPTION.
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] FOR THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Alls ya really gotta do is read 1Peter1{23} and 1Cor.15{53} and youll understand my timing as to when your “born again”
PETER AND PAUL ON BAPTISMS AND THE HOLY GHOSTSo is baptism necessary for salvation or is it meaningless?