THE NEW COVENANT FOR ISRAEL

[Tong2020]

New covenant
Kingdom of God on earth
Vineyard
Household of faith
House of the mountain of the Lord
Body of Christ
The church
All are the one same thing!
The one true church founded by Christ!

Not really sir.
There is a sense of distinction between those in scriptures.

One obvious distinction for example, the kingdom of God is a kingdom, while the New Covenant is a covenant. Now a kingdom is not the same as a covenant, right? We should respect the distinction sir.

Tong
R1237

 

[Tong2020]

Did you read my whole answer? The New Covenant is not only for Israel. Christians are part of this covenant through the blood of Jesus Christ. All refers to Israel and Gentiles who place their faith in Him.

I always do. I even went to the link you provided.

That I did read your whole answer is why I said "My question is "How does the house of Israel and the house of Judah, refer to all?" My question is with reference to the Jeremiah prophecy of a new covenant between God and the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which Mungo said is for all people to which you seemed to agree with. So, I asked, "How does the house of Israel and the house of Judah, refer to all?" It was a clarificatory question more than it is an objection.

Tong
R1238

 

[theefaith]

Jn 10:16

 

[theefaith]

Not really sir.
There is a sense of distinction between those in scriptures.

One obvious distinction for example, the kingdom of God is a kingdom, while the New Covenant is a covenant. Now a kingdom is not the same as a covenant, right? We should respect the distinction sir.

Tong
R1237

the kingdom is under a covenant!

 

[DaChaser]

Tong2020 said:
Sorry, but I don't see that that really answer the question: How does the house of Israel and the house of Judah, refer to all? Or are you saying here that "the house of Israel and the house of Judah" does not refer to all people?

Perhaps, your focus is on that. But the focus of my question is with reference to the Jeremiah prophecy of a new covenant between God and the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which Mungo said is for all people to which you gave your agreement to. So, I asked, "How does the house of Israel and the house of Judah, refer to all?" It was a clarificatory question more than it is an objection. So, then it is clear that you don't agree that the house of Israel and the house of Judah refers to all.

Tong
R1236

The saved Jews since time of Jesus are into the Church and under the NC, and all living jews at His second coming time will be saved in, and that fulfills Jeremiah promise in full!

 

[theefaith]

The saved Jews since time of Jesus are into the Church and under the NC, and all living jews at His second coming time will be saved in, and that fulfills Jeremiah promise in full!

no one is saved in this life, salvation happens at the moment of death if your in the grace of God and faithful, Jn15:1 Matt 24:13

 

[Tong2020]

the kingdom is under a covenant!

As I said, a kingdom is not the same as a covenant. But if you don't see the distinction, so be it with you.

Tong
R1239

 

[theefaith]

As I said, a kingdom is not the same as a covenant. But if you don't see the distinction, so be it with you.

Tong
R1239

what don’t you understand about Jn 10:16?

 

[justbyfaith]

Tong2020 said:
Sorry, but I don't see that that really answer the question: How does the house of Israel and the house of Judah, refer to all? Or are you saying here that "the house of Israel and the house of Judah" does not refer to all people?

Perhaps, your focus is on that. But the focus of my question is with reference to the Jeremiah prophecy of a new covenant between God and the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which Mungo said is for all people to which you gave your agreement to. So, I asked, "How does the house of Israel and the house of Judah, refer to all?" It was a clarificatory question more than it is an objection. So, then it is clear that you don't agree that the house of Israel and the house of Judah refers to all.

Tong
R1236

Perhaps in that, we find in Romans 11 that the Gentiles are graffed into the olive tree that is Israel.

 

[Tong2020]

what don’t you understand about Jn 10:16?

John 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

I don't have any problem with the passage sir.

Tong
R1240

 

[justbyfaith]

no one is saved in this life, salvation happens at the moment of death if your in the grace of God and faithful, Jn15:1 Matt 24:13

In John 5:24 (kjv), it should be clear that the one who hears the words of Jesus and believes on Him who sent Him shall not come into condemnation but has passed from death into everlasting life; from the moment of first faith.

Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

 

[theefaith]

In John 5:24 (kjv), it should be clear that the one who hears the words of Jesus and believes on Him who sent Him shall not come into condemnation but has passed from death into everlasting life; from the moment of first faith.

Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

you and whom refer to persons!

lk 10:16 the apostles

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. the apostles

 

[Tong2020]

Perhaps in that, we find in Romans 11 that the Gentiles are graffed into the olive tree that is Israel.

As I have explained in my post The house of Israel and the house of Judah, together is Israel. So, the new covenant is between God and Israel.

Tong
R1241

 

[theefaith]

As I have explained in my post The house of Israel and the house of Judah, together is Israel. So, the new covenant is between God and Israel.

Tong
R1241

the church is the new Israel of God!
New Passover sacrifice
New covenant
New mediator
New holy nation, chosen people,

 

[justbyfaith]

As I have explained in my post The house of Israel and the house of Judah, together is Israel. So, the new covenant is between God and Israel.

Tong
R1241

The New Covenant is not for Gentiles?

(I think that Acts 10 & 11 deal with this issue quite clearly...)

 

[theefaith]

Are you kidding? Jn 3:16
Jn 1:29

Major covenants!

Adam:
(Marriage covenant)

Noah:
(Family covenant)

Abraham:
(Tribal covenant)

Moses:
(National covenant)

Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)

New and eternal covenant of Jesus Christ!

 

[Tong2020]

the church is the new Israel of God!
New Passover sacrifice
New covenant
New mediator
New holy nation, chosen people,

While there is a new covenant, I know of no scriptures that speak of a new Israel, more so that this new Israel is the church, unless you can show scriptures that speaks of a new covenant between God and of a new Israel, and that the new Israel is the church.

Tong
R1242

 

[justbyfaith]

Just read through Romans 11 a few times.

 

[Tong2020]

The New Covenant is not for Gentiles?

(I think that Acts 10 & 11 deal with this issue quite clearly...)

What I said is "So, the new covenant is between God and Israel." I did not say that the new covenant is for the Jews only. So, why the question?

Tong
R1243

 

[justbyfaith]

What I said is "So, the new covenant is between God and Israel." I did not say that the new covenant is for the Jews only.

What's the difference?