All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[ChristisGod]

No, you sound very strange right now. Nothing that you stated makes sense, or is even plausible, or of necessity on any level.
God does not govern through his son's body, that is a stupid, meaningless notion. God governs by His own omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence. There cannot be three equally powerful deities in the Godhead, let alone two, without laying the charge of redundancy within the Godhead. You people absolutely mock the essence and wisdom of God, with your utterly outrageous and irrational exegesis.

Exactly you mock the essence and wisdom of God with your outrageous and irrational eisegesis.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

Why is he called 'doubting Thomas'?

well duh

he doubted the Resurrection- that He was alive

Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

 

[ChristisGod]

Why is he called 'doubting Thomas'?

I answered it already now answer my questions in my last posts on this page.

 

[DNB]

Still making things up I see.
Quote the verse IN THE BIBLE where Thomas denied Jesus was the Messiah.
And while you are at it where any of the disciples for that matter referred to Jesus a " defeated and deluded leader "
Chapter and verse please ?
And your comments above make you the BLASPHEMER.

Just the fact that I have to, reveals your lack of understanding of the Gospel.

John 20:25
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe

Luke 24:19-21
24:19. And He said to them, "What things?" And they said to Him, "The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, 20. and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the sentence of death, and crucified Him. 21. "But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.

Luke 24:6-11
24:6. "He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, 7. saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." 8. And they remembered His words, 9. and returned from the tomb and reported all these things to the eleven and to all the rest. 10. Now they were Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James; also the other women with them were telling these things to the apostles. 11. But these words appeared to them as nonsense, and they would not believe them.

 

[DNB]

well duh

he doubted the Resurrection- that He was alive

Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

well duh, so then what was Thomas' disposition on Jesus? (rhetorical)

 

[justbyfaith]

Scripture says that Children should not be killed for the sins of their Parents Deut 24:16

So, where in the Bible does it say that children ought to be slain for the parent's sin?

Because you said that God contradicted Himself. Let us see the contradiction.

I always give chapter and verse .. Jesus states the is someone other than he many many times .. you need chapter and verse for "my god My god .. why have you forsaken me ? would that be Matt or Mark ? Matt 27:46

Take this cup from me - Matt 26:42

These verses are not in contradiction to the Deity of Christ, impaho.

In my thread on the Trinity, I explain how God the Father can be the same Person as, and yet distinct from, the Son.

(will post a link shortly).

True Trinity.

Especially read posts #1-#6.

 

[Truther]

I get that .. but you are trying to do the impossible - and to what end ? The Scripture doesn't have Jesus being made "God - The Father" at all.
He is however made divine ... to what degree are his powers - we do not know - These are matters for the Gods to sort out .. has little effect on us humans .. who are just trying to figure out how to get through the gates...

No, he is only the Father by default, because the entirety of the Father is encapsulated inside his omnipresent human, spirit body.

This is exactly how the son...SHALL be(future) the everlasting Father.

The Father, "fathers" us through the son, not around the son.

Everything that happens from God is through the son, even when lighting heaven in Rev 21.

 

[ChristisGod]

@DNB exactly as I thought you made it up.

 

[Truther]

why do you box God in for ?

because you cannot comprehend God ?

how did God create ex nihilo ?

just because you cannot explain the infinite does not mean the infinite cannot become man.

as far as the heavens are above the earth so are My ways above yours declares the LORD !

Is the omnipresent spirit, human body of Jesus a box?

 

[Truther]

No, you sound very strange right now. Nothing that you stated makes sense, or is even plausible, or of necessity on any level.
God does not govern through his son's body, that is a stupid, meaningless notion. God governs by His own omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence. There cannot be three equally powerful deities in the Godhead, let alone two, without laying the charge of redundancy within the Godhead. You people absolutely mock the essence and wisdom of God, with your utterly outrageous and irrational exegesis.

Does God light heaven through His son's body per this?...

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.


I say "yes".

God is the source of the light and the omnipresent son is the "bulb", creating shadowless light.

 

[Truther]

Why is he called 'doubting Thomas'?

Actually, JW's and unitarians doubt Thomas.

 

[ChristisGod]

Is the omnipresent spirit, human body of Jesus a box?

you seem to think so

 

[Truther]

you seem to think so

Omnipresence(infinity) is not a box.

 

[ChristisGod]

Omnipresence(infinity) is not a box.

Did God dwell in the OT Tabernacle ? yes or no

 

[Heyzeus]

Jesus says He is the way.

Correct .. the Path . the Truth .. The Light - The Logos .. emissary between Man and the Godhead -- tells you what God wants you to do.. the will of the Father.

 

[DNB]

@DNB exactly as I thought you made it up.

Pretty clever of me, eh?

 

[DNB]

Does God light heaven through His son's body per this?...

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.


I say "yes".

God is the source of the light and the omnipresent son is the "bulb", creating shadowless light.

Spoiler alert, Jesus is the light of all men, the light of the world John 8:12. How did you manage to take a spiritual truth, and turn it into and explication of watts and lumens? You're lacking depth to your thoughts and perception.

 

[Heyzeus]

So, where in the Bible does it say that children ought to be slain for the parent's sin?

Because you said that God contradicted Himself. Let us see the contradiction.

The Command of God .. is that you don't kill children for the sins of their parents.. and this is the Law.

Some pages later "Command of God" if few are found in a town - worshiping other Gods .. the whole town must be wiped out..

So if today .. you wish me to tell you . which command should we follow - according to God's word .. the answer is Both .. just like the Trinity ..

We find this in part because the Bible was compiled from different authors and different traditions - and they had different perspectives..
There are at least 4 different Traditions .. some representing different time periods. These were spliced together during the hay days of Persia.

 

[DNB]

Actually, JW's and unitarians doubt Thomas.

That was rather clever!

 

[Heyzeus]

No, he is only the Father by default, because the entirety of the Father is encapsulated inside his omnipresent human, spirit body.

This is exactly how the son...SHALL be(future) the everlasting Father.

The Father, "fathers" us through the son, not around the son.

Everything that happens from God is through the son, even when lighting heaven in Rev 21.

Sure .. kind of like the Gia thing .. how God is manifested in the universe is an interesting thing ..