All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[ChristisGod]

I do not mind being called names, condemned and told I am wrong.
But just so I fully understand, who am I worshipping other than God to be called an idolater, and what am I blaspheming.

If I am calling Jesus God and my Lord, as Thomas did, who Jesus said he should not doubt but believe, is Thomas an idolater and blasphemer when He responded to the resurrected Jesus and testified to who Jesus was in front of all the disciples.

If Thomas had been wrong, Jesus would have corrected him, and they would have recorded this, but actually they took note that Jesus took being called Lord and God, so that is what He must be.

Now if you have another way of explaining this clear passage and reaction I am listening. And my friend I am not joking, because I listen to Jesus and if you can shine the light on Him more, Amen. God bless you

the idolaters are the ones who do not worship the Son

 

[Truther]

The Eternal Son is not confined to His physical body. While walking this earth He was in heaven as God. God is Omnipresent.

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

So, you say the body of Jesus is man sized?

 

[ChristisGod]

So, you say the body of Jesus is man sized?

same exact size human body that was in the grave and Resurrected

 

[Truther]

Many men were given a substantial portion of God's Spirit. Elijah was extremely powerful in supernatural abilities, and Elisha received a double measure of that. Moses prophesied as did Saul and David. Many New Testament saints had impeccable characters and extraordinary abilities.
There is only one God, the Father. The attribute of aseity refers to His self-existence, not contingent upon any other forces in order that He exists, nor acts. Yet, you are claiming that Christ, who was clearly a creature, became a non-creature. Everything that defines deity, is antithetical to that which defines humanity. This is how we are aware of the difference between one and the other.
You are speaking incomprehensible nonsense, truther.

No, I am saying the man Christ Jesus was made a man spirit(bodily).

This spirit body of the man was made omnipresent and all of his God governs through His son's omnipresent body.

So, the Father of Jesus Father's us through His son's human spirit body.

This is precisely what Col 2:9 says.

Anything less rips off Jesus.

 

[ChristisGod]

No, I am saying the man Christ Jesus was made a man spirit(bodily).

This spirit body of the man was made omnipresent and all of his God governs through His son's omnipresent body.

So, the Father of Jesus Father's us through His son's human spirit body.

This is precisely what Col 2:9 says.

Anything less rips off Jesus.

Its the exact opposite read the OP

 

[Truther]

Just not with you .. do not see where you are getting the idea that Jesus =Sin and God=Sin ... OK .. but what is the point ? I don't see this road going anywhere .. even if your supposition is true..

From a Philosophical perspective - one could say that the creator of everything is the creator of all evil.... is this what you are trying to get at ?

I am trying to show you that Jesus was not made God until AFTER he was made sin for us.

 

[Truther]

When God dwelt in the tabernacle in the OT was He still Omnipresent ?

yes or no

Yes, but the fullness of the Godhead did not dwell in the tabernacle in the wilderness, bodily, nor do we have that in us.

He is completely encapsulated in Jesus' omnipresent spirit body per Col 2:9.

 

[Truther]

same exact size human body that was in the grave and Resurrected

Then how does all the fullness of the Godhead fit in Jesus, bodily, as per Col 2:9?

Is the fullness of the Godhead man sized, or is only a portion of all the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in Jesus, bodily, and Col 2:9 is a typo?

 

[Truther]

Its the exact opposite read the OP

The OP says only a portion of the Godhead is dwelling in Jesus' little body.

Just the opposite of what Col 2:9 is stating.

Don't feel bad though, because all of Christendom denounces Col 2:9 the same way.

 

[Heyzeus]

I am trying to show you that Jesus was not made God until AFTER he was made sin for us.

I get that .. but you are trying to do the impossible - and to what end ? The Scripture doesn't have Jesus being made "God - The Father" at all.
He is however made divine ... to what degree are his powers - we do not know - These are matters for the Gods to sort out .. has little effect on us humans .. who are just trying to figure out how to get through the gates...

 

[ChristisGod]

Then how does all the fullness of the Godhead fit in Jesus, bodily, as per Col 2:9?

Is the fullness of the Godhead man sized, or is only a portion of all the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in Jesus, bodily, and Col 2:9 is a typo?

why do you box God in for ?

because you cannot comprehend God ?

how did God create ex nihilo ?

just because you cannot explain the infinite does not mean the infinite cannot become man.

as far as the heavens are above the earth so are My ways above yours declares the LORD !

 

[DNB]

I am sorry. If you change the word worship into honouring, when it suits you, and worship as worship of the Father as the real thing, you are changing the words.

In your words I can worship Jesus so thank you for that.
Now if I can worship Jesus by your own words, how can I be a blasphemer and idolater.
If Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my God" he is saying Jesus is God.
Are you claiming Thomas was a blasphemer, and idolater.?

Your dislike sounds like gnostics, who hate the flesh so much God could never become a man, and relate to us.
The problem with the argument that flesh is innately evil, is in the garden of eden, Adam and Eve where acceptable.
Every aspect of what we know of life is about eating, breathing, along with getting rid of waste products.

And the power of Jesus is that not only did He humble Himself to come in human form, but He allowed Himself to be tortured and put to death by evil people and after all this, forgive them, so that the door to eternity is open to us. The whole reason for the incarnation was to show the Holiness and transcendent through love and forgiveness is open to men. But it appears you have missed the breadth of Jesus and the wonder of how love drives God to open up and show us the way. Self hatred of oneself and our condition, often reflects itself in making God so much other us and Him can never re-establish communion and fellowship. But this is the gospel and the promise. God bless you

Jesus was exalted to God's right hand. Therefore, for Thomas to call Jesus theos, and word not reserved for deity, we understand the context that he was using this type of terminology. Keep things in context, only 1 week earlier Thomas did not even believe that Jesus was the Messiah, therefore, what precipitated such a leap of cognizance from perceiving Jesus as a defeated cult leader, to the incomprehensible - god-man?
Again FH, your explanation of the Atonement does not necessitate its credibility. It was actually nonsensical what you defined. It is enough that God offered redemption through any means, to display His love. In other words, you will not accept the Messiah unless that he's God. That is all that you have managed to prove by your understanding of sin and absolution.

 

[ChristisGod]

Jesus was exalted to God's right hand. Therefore, for Thomas to call Jesus theos, and word not reserved for deity, we understand the context that he was using this type of terminology. Keep things in context, only 1 week earlier Thomas did not even believe that Jesus was the Messiah, therefore, what precipitated such a leap of cognizance from perceiving Jesus as a defeated cult leader, to the incomprehensible - god-man?
Again FH, your explanation of the Atonement does not necessitate its credibility. It was actually nonsensical what you defined. It is enough that God offered redemption through any means, to display His love. In other words, you will not accept the Messiah unless that he's God. That is all that you have managed to prove by your understanding of sin and absolution.

you make things up don't you.

please quote the verse where Thomas DENIED Jesus was the Messiah ?

 

[farouk]

you make things up don't you.

please quote the verse where Thomas DENIED Jesus was the Messiah ?

He seemed to be a doubter rather than an outright denier...

 

[ChristisGod]

He seemed to be a doubter rather than an outright denier...

he doubted that He was alive again not that He was the Messiah, that is a huge difference.

 

[farouk]

he doubted that He was alive again not that He was the Messiah, that is a huge difference.

Yes, I can see your point there...

 

[DNB]

I do not mind being called names, condemned and told I am wrong.
But just so I fully understand, who am I worshipping other than God to be called an idolater, and what am I blaspheming.

If I am calling Jesus God and my Lord, as Thomas did, who Jesus said he should not doubt but believe, is Thomas an idolater and blasphemer when He responded to the resurrected Jesus and testified to who Jesus was in front of all the disciples.

If Thomas had been wrong, Jesus would have corrected him, and they would have recorded this, but actually they took note that Jesus took being called Lord and God, so that is what He must be.

Now if you have another way of explaining this clear passage and reaction I am listening. And my friend I am not joking, because I listen to Jesus and if you can shine the light on Him more, Amen. God bless you

I explained Thomas' reaction in my previous post to you, just for the record, but will repeat.
Jesus explained the meaning of calling men gods, 'if I called them gods to whom the Word of God came, how much more His Messiah'. We don't lose our heads and jump into the realm of the implausible, just because the word theos is used to refer to men. There are no exclusive words for the almighty God. Even the tetragrammaton is not a personal pronoun, but a verb tense that denotes a concept. It is used often throughout the Bible to refer to men, and its Greek equivalent ego eimi. Thus, context rules.
Only 1 week earlier Thomas didn't even accept Jesus as the messiah, but a defeated and deluded leader of a bunch of riff-raff. Being raised from the dead, of which Thomas was familiar with many episodes (Lazarus, Jarius' daughter, widow from Nain's son, Elisha & Elijah's circumstances, etc..), would not compel Thomas to believe in the unfathomable and incomprehensible, standing before him was the transcendent omnipresent God, to whom he stuck his fingers into his body (most people would be scared of instantly dying just being within 1,000 feet).
God can never authentically humble Himself before His own creation, as you stated. There is no affinity between God and man, in order to do so on any practical and meaningful level. God did not propitiate Himself, ...do you understand the implications of what you are professing.

You are a blasphemer because you call a man, God.

 

[ChristisGod]

Only 1 week earlier Thomas didn't even accept Jesus as the messiah, but a defeated and deluded leader of a bunch of riff-raff.

Still making things up I see.

Quote the verse IN THE BIBLE where Thomas denied Jesus was the Messiah.

And while you are at it where any of the disciples for that matter referred to Jesus a " defeated and deluded leader "

Chapter and verse please ?

And your comments above make you the BLASPHEMER.

 

[DNB]

No, I am saying the man Christ Jesus was made a man spirit(bodily).

This spirit body of the man was made omnipresent and all of his God governs through His son's omnipresent body.

So, the Father of Jesus Father's us through His son's human spirit body.

This is precisely what Col 2:9 says.

Anything less rips off Jesus.

No, you sound very strange right now. Nothing that you stated makes sense, or is even plausible, or of necessity on any level.
God does not govern through his son's body, that is a stupid, meaningless notion. God governs by His own omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence. There cannot be three equally powerful deities in the Godhead, let alone two, without laying the charge of redundancy within the Godhead. You people absolutely mock the essence and wisdom of God, with your utterly outrageous and irrational exegesis.

 

[Waiting on him]

I get that .. but you are trying to do the impossible - and to what end ? The Scripture doesn't have Jesus being made "God - The Father" at all.
He is however made divine ... to what degree are his powers - we do not know - These are matters for the Gods to sort out .. has little effect on us humans .. who are just trying to figure out how to get through the gates...

Jesus says He is the way.

 

[DNB]

you make things up don't you.

please quote the verse where Thomas DENIED Jesus was the Messiah ?

Why is he called 'doubting Thomas'?