All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[Truther]

Gods attributes are Immutable. So before the Incarnation, while a man on earth and now in heaven bodily, Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. (Changeless, Immutable)His Deity never changed, He just took upon Himself the nature of man, a human nature but remained fully God. So Omnipresence, Omnipotence and Omniscience did not change but He veiled Himself as God as per Philippians 2 and did not consider Himself to be robbery with God(the Father) to be EQUAL with Him and became a servant in humility( a man). His Glory now is no longer veiled as per John 17:5.

hope this helps !!!

No it did not help.

I will ask you again.

Is the body of Jesus omnipresent(infinity) ?

 

[Truther]

That does not make any sense to me... I don't see things that way. People assume way to much about what they know and don't know about the Divinities, Angels, and "the most High" and it doesn't matter what your personal name for the Most High is .. Be it El - the original "most high" .. or his son YHWH - who assumed El's position .. and now we have Jesus son of YHWH ... assuming YHWH's position..

Call them 3 distinct Personages if you like .. or call them ONe (1) - It matters not.
Trinity doctrine says "Both" -- so have it any way you like :)

So when you get into the hallowed halls .. and have done the required number of Hail Mary's after a Million years .. and want to go on a vacation .. live another life - the rule being - you will not remember your past life - Where will you go ?

Jesus talks of a hierarchy in heaven of sorts .. some higher than others Matt 5 .. those being the most blessed - inheriting the kingdom of heaven .. are those who are "Poor in Spirit" - Still waiting for someone to riddle what that one means - and its been a long time so put down your hand :) .. its a very interesting passage ... with no easy answer.

but I digress .. I think perhaps you may earn credits . or lose credits if your a bad guy .. so that Hitler will spend his next life cleaning toilets with a toothbrush sort of thing .. someone with more credits has better options .. and more input over the vacation parameters.

One of my biggest rules for trying to weed good scripture from bad .. is that God is not an idiot .. nor a "bad guy" - not a xenophobic genocidal maniac with the most petty of human flaws and characteristics - a flip flopping God .. who can't decide from one day to the next whether or not Children should be killed for the sin's of their parents. .. as YHWH is depicted in parts of the Bible .. can't blame everything on God .. and if God is responsible for everything .. then this discussion is pointless .. as we have no control over anything.

I look at it more of an experiment of sorts.. "The Most High" checking in from time to time for to see whats happening .. like flipping a channel .. but not directly intervening .. or at least not often .. to believe that intervention is regular - I would have to believe God is an idiot. - looking at what has gone on in the 2000 years since the death of our Lord ..

In any case .. what would you like to do on next vacation ?

Look.

All I am saying is if Jesus was God on earth and he was made to be sin for us, then God was made to be sin for us according to the logic of the incarnationist.

The incarnationist makes the Bible into a wacky book of metaphoric language.

Like "my Spirit, my Spirit, why has thou forsaken your flesh?"...etc.

 

[ChristisGod]

No it did not help.

I will ask you again.

Is the body of Jesus omnipresent(infinity) ?

The Eternal Son is not confined to His physical body. While walking this earth He was in heaven as God. God is Omnipresent.

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

 

[DNB]

Prove my point?

Jesus is worshipped. Being a created being to be worshipped is idolatry unless one is God.

I do not have to prove this because you can read this in the gospels. There are no other Gods other than the Father, so Jesus must be God, as the Father approves His ministry. So I know who Jesus is, and do not sin by worshipping Him. God bless you

Don't be simple or naive about the meaning of worship. I don't mean to be deprecating, but truly, that is a very childish way of inducing the deity of an being. Countless creatures were worshipped, adored, prostrated to, throughout the Bible. A serious Biblical student should be well acquainted with the hyperbolic and poetic manner in which the Bible speaks.

Idolatry is when an entity other than God, is being worshipped as God. Attempting to claim that a wooden figurine bestows life, health and prosperity, or can change the course of history at their will, this is idolatry. That is, any being or item that one believes has this intrinsic power, is committing idolatry. This is you, claiming that a man that was begotten, ate, defecated and urinated, was tortured and put to death by his own creation, was the almighty transcendent God which no man has seen, and abides in unapproachable light.
You FH, are the idolater and the blasphemer.

 

[Truther]

The Eternal Son is not confined to His physical body. While walking this earth He was in heaven as God. God is Omnipresent.

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Is Jesus' spirit body omnipresent?

Yes or no?

 

[DNB]

Only the man Christ Jesus was made the express image of his invisible God(reflecting his God visibly). This is called the Col 2:9 effect on his body.

Many men were given a substantial portion of God's Spirit. Elijah was extremely powerful in supernatural abilities, and Elisha received a double measure of that. Moses prophesied as did Saul and David. Many New Testament saints had impeccable characters and extraordinary abilities.
There is only one God, the Father. The attribute of aseity refers to His self-existence, not contingent upon any other forces in order that He exists, nor acts. Yet, you are claiming that Christ, who was clearly a creature, became a non-creature. Everything that defines deity, is antithetical to that which defines humanity. This is how we are aware of the difference between one and the other.
You are speaking incomprehensible nonsense, truther.

 

[ChristisGod]

Is Jesus' spirit body omnipresent?

Yes or no?

The Eternal Son is not confined to His physical body. While walking this earth He was in heaven as God. God is Omnipresent.

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

 

[justbyfaith]

Already provided in numerous posts .. not only From Matt/Mark.. but John as well .. even from chapters that you posted.

If you have truly done so, then please provide a link to the posts where you have actually referenced the scriptures in question.

(you can right-click on the number of the post and it will give you the option of copying the link to that post #, with a left-click on that option...then you can paste it anywhere).

Because I think that you may have referred to what the Bible says, by relating the stories found in the Bible; but you have not given chapter and verse as I am requesting...at least, not to my knowledge.

who can't decide from one day to the next whether or not Children should be killed for the sin's of their parents. ..

Where in holy scripture does it say that children ought to be killed for the sins of their parents? (chapter and verse please)

We are not bodily omnipresent.

Is Jesus BODILY omnipresent?

In Luke 23:46, Jesus released His Spirit back into eternity with the Father. That Spirit is, in effect, Jesus, and is Omnipresent.

Jesus also exists in a finite human body (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).

 

[Heyzeus]

Look.

All I am saying is if Jesus was God on earth and he was made to be sin for us, then God was made to be sin for us according to the logic of the incarnationist.

The incarnationist makes the Bible into a wacky book of metaphoric language.

Like "my Spirit, my Spirit, why has thou forsaken your flesh?"...etc.

Just not with you .. do not see where you are getting the idea that Jesus =Sin and God=Sin ... OK .. but what is the point ? I don't see this road going anywhere .. even if your supposition is true..

From a Philosophical perspective - one could say that the creator of everything is the creator of all evil.... is this what you are trying to get at ?

 

[Heyzeus]

If you have truly done so, the please provide a link to the posts where you have actually referenced the scriptures in question.

Because I think that you may have referred to what the Bible says, by relating the stories found in the Bible; but you have not given chapter and verse as I am requesting...at least, not to my knowledge.
.

I always give chapter and verse .. Jesus states the is someone other than he many many times .. you need chapter and verse for "my god My god .. why have you forsaken me ? would that be Matt or Mark ? Matt 27:46

Take this cup from me - Matt 26:42

Where in holy scripture does it say that children ought to be killed for the sins of their parents? (chapter and verse please)

Scripture says that Children should not be killed for the sins of their Parents Deut 24:16

 

[ChristisGod]

No it did not help.

I will ask you again.

Is the body of Jesus omnipresent(infinity) ?

When God dwelt in the tabernacle in the OT was He still Omnipresent ?

yes or no

 

[amigo de christo]

Sure - but this does not help us much with "Sola Fide" - find the proper salvation formulation as given by our Lord. and Savior in scripture.

A- Faith Alone (Sola Fide ) no works required
B - some mixture of faith and works
C- Works alone - no faith required.

We see examples of B and C in scripture. What we do not see much of - is salvation by faith alone . and in fact Jesus himself - and James 2 - condemn this doctrine.

The Majority of Christianity Catholic-Orthodox - rejects "Sola fide". The majority believes it is a mixture of faith and works.

Good Quote from James. This is echoed directly in the Sermon on the Mount - where Jesus describes what is required to make it through the pearly gates.


Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

Yep . and james nor paul contradicted each other .
Paul knew what dead faith was . HE too
wrote to timothy . And told him this .
Those who will not provide for their own , specially those of his own house . HAD DENIED the FAITH and is even worse than an infidel .
I tried to tell us , folks if ye deny JESUS sayings , YOU DENY HIM .
OH but the wonderous grace of GOD , and beleive me when i say , GRACE of GOD , puts the LOVE for JESUS , HIS SAYINGS on our hearts .
The members of the body need to get busy reminding with pure exhortations the words in that bible .
For many follow a jesus of their own making . Many follow a jesus of mans invention . one that feeds the flesh .
AND believe me that AINT JESUS . Be encouraged my friend .
Let all be looking diligently , lest any does FAIL of the GRACE of GOD .

 

[FollowHim]

Don't be simple or naive about the meaning of worship. I don't mean to be deprecating, but truly, that is a very childish way of inducing the deity of an being. Countless creatures were worshipped, adored, prostrated to, throughout the Bible. A serious Biblical student should be well acquainted with the hyperbolic and poetic manner in which the Bible speaks.

Idolatry is when an entity other than God, is being worshipped as God. Attempting to claim that a wooden figurine bestows life, health and prosperity, or can change the course of history at their will, this is idolatry. That is, any being or item that one believes has this intrinsic power, is committing idolatry. This is you, claiming that a man that was begotten, ate, defecated and urinated, was tortured and put to death by his own creation, was the almighty transcendent God which no man has seen, and abides in unapproachable light.
You FH, are the idolater and the blasphemer.

I am sorry. If you change the word worship into honouring, when it suits you, and worship as worship of the Father as the real thing, you are changing the words.

In your words I can worship Jesus so thank you for that.
Now if I can worship Jesus by your own words, how can I be a blasphemer and idolater.
If Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my God" he is saying Jesus is God.
Are you claiming Thomas was a blasphemer, and idolater.?

Your dislike sounds like gnostics, who hate the flesh so much God could never become a man, and relate to us.
The problem with the argument that flesh is innately evil, is in the garden of eden, Adam and Eve where acceptable.
Every aspect of what we know of life is about eating, breathing, along with getting rid of waste products.

And the power of Jesus is that not only did He humble Himself to come in human form, but He allowed Himself to be tortured and put to death by evil people and after all this, forgive them, so that the door to eternity is open to us. The whole reason for the incarnation was to show the Holiness and transcendent through love and forgiveness is open to men. But it appears you have missed the breadth of Jesus and the wonder of how love drives God to open up and show us the way. Self hatred of oneself and our condition, often reflects itself in making God so much other us and Him can never re-establish communion and fellowship. But this is the gospel and the promise. God bless you

 

[amigo de christo]

I always give chapter and verse .. Jesus states the is someone other than he many many times .. you need chapter and verse for "my god My god .. why have you forsaken me ? would that be Matt or Mark ? Matt 27:46

Take this cup from me - Matt 26:42



Scripture says that Children should not be killed for the sins of their Parents Deut 24:16

Folks might want to also read some of ezzekial . Its in there too .

 

[amigo de christo]

Heed no spirit in the flesh; trust no spirit that testifies of self; cursed be every spirit that does not speak Scripture.

Well sit down my friend . That means over ninety five percent of christain leaders are already cursed .
And they DO NOT know JESUS . PS , how true that is .
All these nar ones , emergent , prosperity , yes todd white too , thems not of GOD .
May as well turn TBN off too . Dont seek rome , dont seek jehovas , or seven day adventist,
Dont seek mormons . I mean the list is just too much for these poor fingers too handle . WE IN TROUBLE FRIEND . BIG TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

I leave us with these few words . OPEN BIBLES and start FEASTING .

 

[ChristisGod]

I leave us with these few words . OPEN BIBLES and start FEASTING .

Amen my main meal is before breakfast every morning for the past 40 year. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God :)
Like newborn babes who crave the pure milk of the word. Feast upon His word and nourish our soul/spirit.

 

[Heyzeus]

Yep . and james nor paul contradicted each other .
Paul knew what dead faith was . HE too
wrote to timothy . And told him this .
Those who will not provide for their own , specially those of his own house . HAD DENIED the FAITH and is even worse than an infidel .
I tried to tell us , folks if ye deny JESUS sayings , YOU DENY HIM .
OH but the wonderous grace of GOD , and beleive me when i say , GRACE of GOD , puts the LOVE for JESUS , HIS SAYINGS on our hearts .
The members of the body need to get busy reminding with pure exhortations the words in that bible .
For many follow a jesus of their own making . Many follow a jesus of mans invention . one that feeds the flesh .
AND believe me that AINT JESUS . Be encouraged my friend .
Let all be looking diligently , lest any does FAIL of the GRACE of GOD .

They kind of do in places .. but then ... as I was saying .. in other places Paul does't seem to be as big a fan of Sola Fide as some would like him to be...

And at the end of the day ... Jesus says what he says .. and works are part of the salvation formulation in Matt/Mark .. James and Paul both saying ..that they go together .. and are connected .... which kind of puts the Kaibosh on Sola Fide.

The problem at this time was this archaic and strict Jewish Law.. of where there were umpteen variations depending on who you ask ..

In any case .. Jesus did no like the Lawgivers and Pharisees too much. Paul had issues as well .. detailed in luke. So we are not really discussing complete abrogation of works .. just getting around this archaic Jewish law without burning down the house.

So Jesus took care of this got rid of "The Law" per say except for the "Commands" Don't kill, steal, bear false witness, shag neighbors wife. In place of "the Law" .. he gave us one rule to follow .. and I try to follow it..

 

[farouk]

I mean come on look at what the temptations were His belly, money and the praise of men, there was no creature standing before him, only him standing there alone faced with the same we all are.


THE FILTHY FLESH!

@Waiting on him I think of the words of the Lord Jesus Who said: "...the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me." (John 14.30).

 

[FollowHim]

You FH, are the idolater and the blasphemer.

I do not mind being called names, condemned and told I am wrong.
But just so I fully understand, who am I worshipping other than God to be called an idolater, and what am I blaspheming.

If I am calling Jesus God and my Lord, as Thomas did, who Jesus said he should not doubt but believe, is Thomas an idolater and blasphemer when He responded to the resurrected Jesus and testified to who Jesus was in front of all the disciples.

If Thomas had been wrong, Jesus would have corrected him, and they would have recorded this, but actually they took note that Jesus took being called Lord and God, so that is what He must be.

Now if you have another way of explaining this clear passage and reaction I am listening. And my friend I am not joking, because I listen to Jesus and if you can shine the light on Him more, Amen. God bless you