Not faith alone?

[Ferris Bueller]

Without a central authority there can be no unity of the spirit, no obedience to the faith!
God - Christ - Peter - the apostles - the apostles successors - the people

The nature of authority is hierarchy!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

You can keep your 'central authority'. Man has proven he can not be trusted with 'central authority'. The church is so corrupted right now it's each man for himself these days. We all stand or fall by ourselves. Virtually all of us have a Bible and we're responsible for ourselves and what we did or did not listen to from the Spirit. The Bible and the Holy Spirit are sufficient for the believer to live for God in obedience to the Spirit and to be in spiritual unity with the true believers in the body of Christ. Christ died to set us free from the overlords among his people.

 

[brightfame52]

You do. You follow Calvin. Big mistake.

Scoffing the truth of God!

 

[historyb]

You do. You follow Calvin. Big mistake.

Most all Reformed and evangelicals follow one man or another

 

[brightfame52]

That is Calvinistic philosophy.

The reality is that we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand...

We do not enter into grace first.



Not even the Pope? Or, a Cardinal? Or, a Catholic Priest?

More scoffing. I have not mentioned calvinism

 

[historyb]

More scoffing. I have not mentioned calvinism

Don't have to, it's very evident

 

[kcnalp]

He did not do wrong.

He couldn't. He was fastened to a cross.

Romans 13:10
10Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

True indeed.

 

[kcnalp]

That person won't have ZERO works.

Romans 13:10
10Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Lots of people do "good works" and aren't saved. Works don't save. But a Christian will do "good works", IF he can. Loving and believing are not "works". They produce "good works".

 

[brightfame52]

That is Calvinistic philosophy.

The reality is that we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand...

We do not enter into grace first.



Not even the Pope? Or, a Cardinal? Or, a Catholic Priest?

More error. The standing in Grace must have existed first in order to access it by Faith. Faith is the apprehension of what already is a true fact !

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Lots of people do "good works" and aren't saved.

Then Christianity is not real then. Who needs it if you can do good without God? It must not be real since non-Christians can do good too. Jesus has a different opinion than you.

John 15:10
apart from Me you can do nothing.

Works don't save.

Works can't earn salvation, but you won't be saved without works. But the church does not believe James.

James 2:14
if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

It's a rhetorical question. No, dead faith can not save. But the church says James is wrong. It says dead faith CAN save.

But a Christian will do "good works", IF he can.

If he can't, he ain't a Christian. This is another point the church disagrees with the Apostles about.

1 John 3:10
10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God

I'm not trying to discourage anybody in their genuine struggle with sin, but this crap about being able to be the same sinner you always have been and be saved has got to end. It's just not true. True believers are growing out of their old lives. If you're not—and you can't—you probably aren't saved yet. That realization is what brought me to my knees begging for God's mercy, and that is when I was truly born again and changed. It ain't called being born again for nothing. Being born again means being a new person.

Loving and believing are not "works". They produce "good works".

You keeping your mouth shut is just as righteous an act as you sitting there derailing your neighbor is an unrighteous act. Works of righteous faith are defined by both what you do and what you don't do.

Leviticus 19:11-18
11You must not steal. You must not lie or deceive one another.
12You must not swear falsely by My name and so profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
13You must not defraud your neighbor or rob him. You must not withhold until morning the wages due a hired hand.
14You must not curse the deaf or place a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall fear your God. I am the LORD.
15You must not pervert justice; you must not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the rich; you are to judge your neighbor fairly.
16You must not go about spreading slander among your people. You must not endanger the lifeb of your neighbor. I am the LORD.
17You must not harbor hatred against your brother in your heart. Directly rebuke your neighbor, so that you will not incur guilt on account of him.
18Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against any of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself.c I am the LORD.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

He couldn't. He was fastened to a cross.

So the other thief wasn't able to do wrong either, right?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Most all Reformed and evangelicals follow one man or another

Sadly, that is true. And what a mistake that is.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Scoffing the truth of God!

Calvinism is not the truth of God. The Bible is. He did not teach the Bible, he taught his interpretation of the Bible. That's the problem with putting a man in betweenst you and God. You end up filtering everything in the Bible through what that man says. Instead of filtering mans words with the Bible.

 

[ChristisGod]

Calvinism is not the truth of God. The Bible is. He did not teach the Bible, he taught his interpretation of the Bible. That's the problem with putting a man in betweenst you and God. You end up filtering everything in the Bible through what that man says. Instead of filtering mans words with the Bible.

neither is any other ism, denomination, theologian, pastor, etc.........

Only Scripture is the truth.

No one here has a monopoly on the truth no matter what they might think. Gods word is infallible, all men are fallible as is their understanding. God is all knowing and we are not.

 

[brightfame52]

Calvinism is not the truth of God. The Bible is. He did not teach the Bible, he taught his interpretation of the Bible. That's the problem with putting a man in betweenst you and God. You end up filtering everything in the Bible through what that man says. Instead of filtering mans words with the Bible.

More scoffing the word of God and attributing it to man

 

[kcnalp]

Then Christianity is not real then. Who needs it if you can do good without God? It must not be real since non-Christians can do good too. Jesus has a different opinion than you.

John 15:10
apart from Me you can do nothing.

You never did anything good before you got "saved"?

Works can't earn salvation, but you won't be saved without works. But the church does not believe James.

James 2:14
if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

It's a rhetorical question. No, dead faith can not save. But the church says James is wrong. It says dead faith CAN save.
If he can't, he ain't a Christian. This is another point the church disagrees with the Apostles about.

1 John 3:10
10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God

I'm not trying to discourage anybody in their genuine struggle with sin, but this crap about being able to be the same sinner you always have been and be saved has got to end. It's just not true. True believers are growing out of their old lives. If you're not—and you can't—you probably aren't saved yet. That realization is what brought me to my knees begging for God's mercy, and that is when I was truly born again and changed. It ain't called being born again for nothing. Being born again means being a new person.

Some can indeed be saved without "good works". As I mentioned before, someone paralyzed CANNOT do any works, period. But he can get saved.

You keeping your mouth shut is just as righteous an act as you sitting there derailing your neighbor is an unrighteous act. Works of righteous faith are defined by both what you do and what you don't do.

Leviticus 19:11-18
11You must not steal. You must not lie or deceive one another.
12You must not swear falsely by My name and so profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
13You must not defraud your neighbor or rob him. You must not withhold until morning the wages due a hired hand.
14You must not curse the deaf or place a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall fear your God. I am the LORD.
15You must not pervert justice; you must not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the rich; you are to judge your neighbor fairly.
16You must not go about spreading slander among your people. You must not endanger the lifeb of your neighbor. I am the LORD.
17You must not harbor hatred against your brother in your heart. Directly rebuke your neighbor, so that you will not incur guilt on account of him.
18Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against any of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself.c I am the LORD.

We will indeed be judged by our words, but it's quite a stretch to call our words "works".

 

[kcnalp]

So the other thief wasn't able to do wrong either, right?

He might have a difficult time. lol

 

[Triumph1300]

No one is saved until death
Matt 24:13

By works (John 5:28-29; Rom 2:6, 7; James 2:24)?
By grace (Acts 15:11; Eph 2:8)?
By his blood (Rom 5:9; Heb 9:22)?

You misunderstood what I posted.

What I was saying is that once a person accepts what Christ did on the cross the Holy Spirit will convince that person to be "Christ like" and wants to do good works. I.o.w "works come as a result of coming to Christ.
But you probably disagree about this as well.

 

[justbyfaith]

More error. The standing in Grace must have existed first in order to access it by Faith. Faith is the apprehension of what already is a true fact !

However, if standing in grace is like a house; and we gain access into that house with faith as a key to the door of the house (Jesus Christ Himself); you must realize that I am not dwelling in the house unless I have taken the key of faith, put it in the keyhole of the door, and entered the house.

So I am not going to stand in grace apart from having gained access to it by faith.

 

[justbyfaith]

No one here has a monopoly on the truth no matter what they might think. Gods word is infallible, all men are fallible as is their understanding. God is all knowing and we are not.

Actually, those who have an unction from the holy one "know all things" (1 John 2:20).

Which is not necessarily to say that they will believe all things that are true. They may actually contend for things that they know aren't true because they have personal reasons for believing in them; and they want them to be true so badly that they will contend for untruths just because they have some kind of inane hope that if they win the argument, their lies that they believe in will become the truth; thus they will not have to be accountable to the truth that goes contrary to what they want to believe in.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No one here has a monopoly on the truth no matter what they might think.

If you own a Bible you own a monopoly on the truth. Don't mess it up by letting someone interpret it for you. It's readable and easy to understand. It seems hard to understand because people read it while trying to figure out how to make it not mean what it says. They are afraid of it's truths.