Not faith alone?

[brightfame52]

He fulfilled the Sabbaths, and the Festivals, and the laws of sacrifice so that we don't need to do those anymore (but we can if we want). But the outstanding debt of law that remains to be fulfilled through Christ in us is the law summed up in "love your neighbor as yourself".

Romans 13:8-10
8Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” a and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” b 10Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


Christ did not fulfill the debt of love for others for us so that we don't have to do that. It will be fulfilled through Christ when you actually do it through your faith in Christ. If you don't do that, and can't do that, then you are not born again. Only born again people can fulfill the outstanding debt of law that remains for the people of God to literally fulfill through the power of the Spirit. Dead faith, which has been taught to the church for quite a while now as being saving faith, does not fulfill the remaining debt of the law to love others (don't slander, don't hate, and various other laws). It shows you to not be born again and so you will not be saved when Jesus comes back.

Christ fulfilled the law! For His People like I already stated.

 

[theefaith]

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Baptism

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Christ fulfilled the law! For His People like I already stated.

No, Christ did not love others for you so you don't have to, lol. YOU do that, through your faith in Him.

 

[brightfame52]

No, Christ did not love others for you so you don't have to, lol. YOU do that, through your faith in Him.

Yes He Kept the Whole Law summed up Matt 22:36-39

Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Yes He Kept the Whole Law summed up Matt 22:36-39

Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

We know Christ kept the law, including 'love your neighbor as yourself'. That does not mean you do not have to also keep it, lol. In fact, if you don't keep it YOU ARE NOT BORN AGAIN.

1 John 3:10
Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

And yet the corrupted church says John is wrong about this. Do you also disagree with John?

 

[justbyfaith]

We are justified/saved by grace through faith apart from works.

Romans 4:5-6,

Titus 3:5 (kjv),

Romans 11:5-6 (kjv),

Ephesians 2:8-9.

Those who are truly born again (regenerated and renewed) have the love of the Lord shed abroad in their hearts (Romans 5:5).

Such a love is practical in nature (1 John 3:17-18).

It is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within us and will produce good works (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:22-23, Titus 3:14).

 

[brightfame52]

We know Christ kept the law, including 'love your neighbor as yourself'. That does not mean you do not have to also keep it, lol. In fact, if you don't keep it YOU ARE NOT BORN AGAIN.

1 John 3:10
Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

And yet the corrupted church says John is wrong about this. Do you also disagree with John?

I have kept them in and through Jesus Christ. I have the Righteous of God charged to my account!

 

[kcnalp]

Why don’t you post scripture?

Because there are no scriptures that support the doctrine you have been taught by man. And you appear to not be skilled in them. All you got are short childish comments.

Start reading your Bible frequently and grow in the faith; keep reading until the leaven gets purged from your mind.

Already gave Scripture. Here's more.
1 John 2:1-2 (NKJV)
1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

"if anyone sins", meaning it is quite possible! John included himself, "our sins".

 

[kcnalp]

You can tell if you are really sticking to the New Covenant by if your faith upholds the law of Moses. If it does not uphold the law of Moses—because you have been taught by a corrupted church that it does not have to—then you are not sticking to the New Covenant at all. You just think you are. You do not have the faith that saves. You have dead faith, the faith that can not save a person, because dead faith is not faith.

Define "upholds the law of Moses".

 

[kcnalp]

And that is exactly what I'm saying yet you insist that I'm saying works earn salvation. Since real Christian faith produces good works that makes works necessary for a person to be saved when Jesus comes back. Because if you ain't got those works YOU AIN'T A CHRISTIAN.

Do you sin?

 

[brightfame52]

We are justified/saved by grace through faith apart from works.

Romans 4:5-6,

Titus 3:5 (kjv),

Romans 11:5-6 (kjv),

Ephesians 2:8-9.

Those who are truly born again (regenerated and renewed) have the love of the Lord shed abroad in their hearts (Romans 5:5).

Such a love is practical in nature (1 John 3:17-18).

It is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within us and will produce good works (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:22-23, Titus 3:14).

Christ righteousness imputed is the fulfilling of the law in the believer, who walks in the Spirit which means walk by faith that He has fulfilled the law for us.

 

[justbyfaith]

Christ righteousness imputed is the fulfilling of the law in the believer, who walks in the Spirit which means walk by faith that He has fulfilled the law for us.

There is also the aspect that we must repent of our sins in order to obtain this imputed righteousness.

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you sin?

If he said that he didn't, would you not condemn him as being self-deceived (1 John 1:8)?

Yet, it is clear that that verse is speaking of indwelling sin and not practical sins.

1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6, and 1 John 2:17 speak of practical sins...and if 1 John 1:8 is speaking of practical sins, there is a contradiction between these verses and 1 John 1:8.

The element of sin can be rendered dead within us (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say or authority over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

 

[Michiah-Imla]

My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

If anyone (not we) sins, we (Christian’s) have an advocate (available for them).

This seems to be the logical sense since later he writes that we do not sin.

 

[kcnalp]

Of he said that he didn't, would you not condemn him as being self-deceived (1 John 1:8)?

Yet, it is clear that that verse is speaking of indwelling sin and not practical sins.

1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6, and 1 John 2:17 speak of practical sins...and if 1 John 1:8 is speaking of practical sins, there is a contradiction between these verses and 1 John 1:8.

The element of sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say or authority over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

John clearly included himself.
"we" 6 times
"us" 4 times
"our" 2 times

1 John 1:8-10 (NKJV)
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

 

[kcnalp]

If anyone (not we) sins, we (Christian’s) have an advocate (available for them).

"We (Christian's)

Yes indeed!

 

[justbyfaith]

@kcnalp...

Did you even go to sleep last night?

I was engaging with you till 4:30 in the morning this morning and it seems that you are still going strong!

 

[justbyfaith]

John clearly included himself.
"we" 6 times
"us" 4 times
"our" 2 times

1 John 1:8-10 (NKJV)
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

If you consider what my point of view really is, all of that is really a moot point.

 

[kcnalp]

If you consider what my point of view really is, all of that is really a moot point.

I have a terrible time believing that anyone alive doesn't sin.

 

[brightfame52]

There is also the aspect that we must repent of our sins in order to obtain this imputed righteousness.

That's false and derogate to the death of Christ. Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

According to Rom 5 19 how shall the many made righteous?