Understanding MPD/DID & SRA/MK

[Heart2Soul]

If I may presume to begin answering your question...the answer is resounding YES. SHE DOES. And you can too. It does take some understanding of what to look for, and knowing what to look for depends on knowing a little about how they operate, and what their goals are. But a teachable heart can absorb those bits of information very rapidly. THE single most important thing is our connection to THE Teacher of the Church...the Holy Spirit, Whose job it is to guide us into ALL Truth, reveal the "things of Jesus" to us, and show us "things to come".

But you can begin with: " You shall know them by their FRUIT..." NOT their words, their FRUIT.

1 John 2:27 NKJV — But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

The Holy Spirit and the anointing are one. He is THE Teacher. He is the only thing necessary to begin harvesting in this peculiar corner of His field....and the only thing that can enpower effective participation in HIS earnest desire to set captives free.

HALLELUYAH!

Years ago I was sitting in my living room in the dark looking out my window admiring the beautiful full moon. I began talking to our Father and just fellowshipping with Him. Then all of a sudden my heart began to ache and it hurt so bad I thought I was having a heart attack. Then it suddenly quit. I said Father what was that all about? He said I let you experience a very small portion of my heart aching for my children. If you had experienced the full depth of my pain you would not have survived it. I said what can I do? He said Go and set my captives free.....but little did I realize I needed to be set free first. (I was molested by my stepfather...raped 4 times by a coworker, 2 bosses, and a military person.) I didn't realize I was captive to the ordeal I suffered. I had no respect for those in authority (including pastors if they were male), hated men...all men...and had a lot of difficulty with relationships.
But that was just part of the captivity....it goes deep.
But today I am 95% free....trying to learn how to get rid of generational curses for the rest.

 

[Heart2Soul]

If I may presume to begin answering your question...the answer is resounding YES. SHE DOES. And you can too. It does take some understanding of what to look for, and knowing what to look for depends on knowing a little about how they operate, and what their goals are. But a teachable heart can absorb those bits of information very rapidly. THE single most important thing is our connection to THE Teacher of the Church...the Holy Spirit, Whose job it is to guide us into ALL Truth, reveal the "things of Jesus" to us, and show us "things to come".

But you can begin with: " You shall know them by their FRUIT..." NOT their words, their FRUIT.

1 John 2:27 NKJV — But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

The Holy Spirit and the anointing are one. He is THE Teacher. He is the only thing necessary to begin harvesting in this peculiar corner of His field....and the only thing that can enpower effective participation in HIS earnest desire to set captives free.

HALLELUYAH!

Thank you for sharing this.❤

 

[TLHKAJ]

Cult perps

Yes...it's similar to how I identify victims. It's really hard to put it all in a concise package.

As a survivor, it's not difficult for me to identify cult/perps. It's second nature to recognize the signs that are now just very blatant...whereas most people wouldn't see it. I have learned the hard way ...by experience. And as @Jostler stated, prayer and Holy Spirit discernment are a necessity.

But for ones who desire to learn what to look for, I have, with the Lord's help, taught people what to look for.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Yes...it's similar to how I identify victims. It's really hard to put it all in a concise package.

As a survivor, it's not difficult for me to identify cult/perps. It's second nature to recognize the signs that are now just very blatant...whereas most people wouldn't see it. I have learned the hard way ...by experience. And as @Jostler stated, prayer and Holy Spirit discernment are a necessity.

But for ones who desire to learn what to look for, I have, with the Lord's help, taught people what to look for.

I can discern a spirit of lust on someone but that is only when in their presence....God once told me that they will.not look you in the eye.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I can discern a spirit of lust on someone but that is only when in their presence....God once told me that they will.not look you in the eye.

So any thing you can share would be great

 

[TLHKAJ]

I can discern a spirit of lust on someone but that is only when in their presence....God once told me that they will.not look you in the eye.

Someone who is cult will be uncomfortable around the presence of God. But even a victim, when they legitimately enter a church seeking help, will exhibit visible signs of nervousness and/or distress (due to triggers related to church, God, Jesus, communion, crosses, etc, etc ...many triggers in church settings) ...due to fear or shame, they may have difficulty making eye contact. I struggled with that for years ...I didn't want people to get too close ...and I didn't like people to invade my personal space. Close physical proximity wasn't okay.

 

[farouk]

I can discern a spirit of lust on someone but that is only when in their presence....God once told me that they will.not look you in the eye.

@Heart2Soul The custom of looking ppl in the eye is North American; it doesn't necessarily work that way in other parts of the world, of course...

 

[farouk]

Someone who is cult will be uncomfortable around the presence of God. But even a victim, when they legitimately enter a church seeking help, will exhibit visible signs of nervousness and/or distress (due to triggers related to church, God, Jesus, communion, crosses, etc, etc ...many triggers in church settings) ...due to fear or shame, they may have difficulty making eye contact. I struggled with that for years ...I didn't want people to get too close ...and I didn't like people to invade my personal space. Close physical proximity wasn't okay.

@TLHKAJ Shows really how in the long term also there is a sanctifying effect from prayer and the Scriptures.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@TLHKAJ Shows really how in the long term also there is a sanctifying effect from prayer and the Scriptures.

I lived with severe triggers for years until my programming began breaking down. All those years from age 13 to age 30, God prepared me through much nourishment in His presence and in His Word ...then a life that seemed very much "together" began to decompensate. What freed me of those triggers was a willingness to allow God to bring me to the truth, to face the trauma, and embrace my brokenness (alters) ....and work with Him toward healing and freedom.

 

[farouk]

...God prepared me through much nourishment in His presence and in His Word

@TLHKAJ Spending time prayerfully before Him in the Word is indeed so inestimably valuable!

 

[TLHKAJ]

@TLHKAJ Spending time prayerfully before Him in the Word is indeed so inestimably valuable!

Absolutely. That was the foundation and it was necessary. But all of that had to be followed by footwork by me. When He prompted me to begin facing my history, I was presented with a choice to proceed (with Him) or not. I did ....and then I became aware of things that were still happening. I had to be willing to walk forward with Him no matter what might be revealed. Because remember ....I was not conscious of what had happened (for the most part) nor especially the ways I was sti being victimized as an adult due to dissociation.

(I have a feeling this is going right over your head. Am I right?)

 

[farouk]

Absolutely. That was the foundation and it was necessary. But all of that had to be followed by footwork by me. When He prompted me to begin facing my history, I was presented with a choice to proceed (with Him) or not. I did ....and then I became aware of things that were still happening. I had to be willing to walk forward with Him no matter what might be revealed. Because remember ....I was not conscious of what had happened (for the most part) nor especially the ways I was sti being victimized as an adult due to dissociation.

(I have a feeling this is going right over your head. Am I right?)

@TLHKAJ Well, I've not had your particular experiences, but I guess 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2) is the best advice for all believers. from their many and varied backgrounds.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@TLHKAJ Well, I've not had your particular experiences, but I guess 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2) is the best advice for all believers. from their many and varied backgrounds.

Yes, absolutely. And yet in a practical sense, there is footwork we have to do ....that involves our will. Honestly, quoting scripture in and of itself didn't set me free. For years, I misused the scripture in effort to suppress memories of trauma (flashbacks) ....and it didn't work. I'd be in a church and inside I'd see parts (alters) in trauma ...flashes of violent rapes and assaults by men (pastors, priests) and entities, etc ....heard screams ....and I was horrified ....my strategy was to "resist the devil" ..."rebuke in Jesus's name" ...or "cast down imaginations" ...and all those things never worked. It was scripture misapplied.
What finally worked was when I settled in my heart to allow God to take me to and through the traumas ....very painful and treacherous journey ....but well worth it to attain the healing He intended for me. Scripture is a wonderfully powerful tool ....when we allow Him to reveal and apply it to our lives in the way He intends it.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@Nancy I decided to bring my post from the "legalism" thread, over to this thread.
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Hi T.
Some church's can really do some damage. I am glad you and your family got out of there!

Oh my goodness, me too, sister! It was a horrible place and I never fit in there...as much (in the beginning) as I tried and thought I just wasn't "good enough." But deep down, I knew ...I didn't want that sort of "love" that they had. I couldn't stomach turning my babies over into a nursery ...or else making them "behave" in a 3 hour long church service. This meant ...babies couldn't cry (as infants/newborns do when they are hungry, dirty, have a pain, or just need to be close to mama). If they did, parents were taught to "break their will" ...so dads who didn't "spare the rod" (but beat their children), and moms who pinched their little 2 or 3 month old baby when they cried in a service and then took them out and spanked them ...came back in under 15 minutes with a silent baby, sucking a bottle filled with water (no milk) .....were praised for being "godly parents." No ...what they just accomplished was to send a message to that baby that they weren't to make their needs known and their cries aren't heard....does God our Father do that?? Nope!

The scripture, "Forsake not the assembling..." was used to make sure we never missed a service, a meeting, an event, etc ....and there was one or the other at least 4 or 5 days a week without fail (usually 5 to 7 days a week). Family took a backseat to being at a church service or meeting...work day....etc, etc. This was perfect for keeping us there so that we and our children could be continually indoctrinated. And then of course, you never were to speak about or acknowledge that they were wrong about something ...because "touching God's anointed" meant you'd lost your salvation and God would strike you dead. You were expected to just be silent and follow ...no questions asked.

Those are just a few examples ...but there was a lot more to that place and what they were.

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The church group we were part of was a cult ...what you would call a "Christian front" with a cult handler for a pastor. This was set up so that ones like us would be kept in a place of fear, rather than faith ....and also kept us (and others) there struggling to be good and to "please God" (their false image of God) ...and what was more is that it meant we were always there being handled by the cult, monitored to make sure our MK programming stayed intact so they could still make use of us for their satanic purposes.

 

[farouk]

Scripture is a wonderfully powerful tool ....when we allow Him to reveal and apply it to our lives in the way He intends it.

@TLHKAJ "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." (John 14.27)

 

[Nancy]

@Nancy I decided to bring my post from the "legalism" thread, over to this thread.
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The church group we were part of was a cult ...what you would call a "Christian front" with a cult handler for a pastor. This was set up so that ones like us would be kept in a place of fear, rather than faith ....and also kept us (and others) there struggling to be good and to "please God" (their false image of God) ...and what was more is that it meant we were always there being handled by the cult, monitored to make sure our MK programming stayed intact so they could still make use of us for their satanic purposes.

" It was a horrible place and I never fit in there...as much (in the beginning) as I tried and thought I just wasn't "good enough." But deep down, I knew ...I didn't want that sort of "love" that they had. I couldn't stomach turning my babies over into a nursery ..."

Oh boy, you took the words right out of my mouth. I never fit in the last church I attended for 3 years. They were very cold and condescending. I tried so hard to not let the obvious lack of love there stop me from going. But, I did not agree with the pastor in many areas...he is a Calvinist. I had dealings with them in the 90's too but, when I started attending this church, I did not know it was "reformed" Baptist. it was like a breath of fresh air to be able to again attend MY church, they opened a campus 10 minutes from me as, before it would have been a very long drive. You can feel the joy and kindness just walking through the doors! And, they opened it the Sunday I decided to no longer attend the other church...my old one opened a new location! Talk about timing!
When I left, about a month later I saw walking in, one of the assistant pastors and his wife and kids walking in, I was blow away. They were not happy there for several reasons but one of them was, they were not happy that the children, being downstairs, had no locks on the doors. He even bought several yet, they did not use them...it is a big building and anyone can come off the streets and, many entries and exits there.
Oh well...God I think sometimes allows us to attend these kinds of church's to maybe sharpen our discernment?
There is always a reason and, I do believe mine was, one Sunday the director of an awesome community center came to visit and told us about it, what they have, the meals they serve, the many many boxes made up (I made up 50 of them today to go out tomorrow so, maybe that was my reason as, I had just stopped working and was flailing and going no where fast at that time...it was dark indeed! But, my prayer was answered to a T...5 blocks from my home, I get to be around my fellow volunteers too. So, He sure has His reasons, yes?

 

[TLHKAJ]

This was written by a survivor named Svali:

Healing from the Trauma of Cult Programming
Ritual abuse is the systematic, continued, repetitive abuse of both children and adults by either an individual or a group. It can involve psychological, sexual, physical, and spiritual abuse. This abuse is often done in the name of promoting an agenda, or a group’s religious idealogy.

The victims of ritual abuse are often children, although adults are often abused as well. The victim is an unwilling accomplice in the perpetrator’s goals, although they may eventually learn to comply with, and even learn to perpetrate themselves as they grow older. Increasing numbers of survivors of ritual abuse are beginning to speak out, to give voice to the atrocities which occur. Whether the survivor was traumatized within an organized group, or by individuals, they must often overcome years of conditioning to be silent in order to speak and disclose their abuse. This abuse may have included torture, mind control, cult programming, or other methodologies to ensure the victim’s silence.

This page is dedicated to the bravery and courage of these people who are in the process of breaking free from cult abuse. To the courageous adults and children who are overcoming fear, and disclosing what their lives have been like. May others learn that they, too, can become free.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The Importance of Overcoming Denial (within the general population)

Often times it is much easier for the average person to look away when the subject of ritual abuse comes up. To believe that it is extremely rare. Or even to wonder if it is real, in spite of the extensive documentation that has been done that proves its existence. For more information on this subject, please go to some of the links provided on this page.

Ritual abuse is not going to go away, in spite of the desire of many to minimize its impact both on the survivor community, and their supporters. The more people become aware of this problem, the more hope that this type of abuse can be stopped, and that no more children will be wounded in the war that is being waged for their hearts and souls.

There is currently legislation that has been passed in six states outlawing ritual abuse, with other states pending. Legislators are becoming educated in the reality of this type of abuse, and are beginning to take measures to ensure that it is stopped.

There have been extensively documented cases of ritual abuse which have gone to court and been proven. Anyone who denies the reality has not read the current literature available on the subject. (See links for further info)

Resources for Ritual Abuse and Mind Control Please note that all of the sources below can be found on line. I regret that MSN will not allow the URLs to copy here (the editing tool erases them automatically). You may look up the addresses by typing in the name in any web search engine.

A.C.A.A. (American Coalition for Abuse Awareness) Mailing Address: ONE VOICE, PO Box 27958, Washington DC 20038-7958 Phone: (202) 667-1160

A.C.H.E.S.-M.C. (Advocacy Committee for Human Experiment Survivors – Mind Control)

I.S.S.D. (International Society for the Study of Dissociation) now ISST-D (International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation) Mailing address: 4700 W. Lake Ave., Glenview IL 60025 Phone: (847) 375-4715

M.A.S.A. (Mothers Against Sexual Abuse) Contact: Claire Reeves Mailing address: 503-1/2 S. Myrtle Ave., Suite 9, Monrovia CA 91016 Phone: (818) 305-1986

Sidran Foundation A non-profit organization aiming to raise awareness about dissociative disabilities and multiplicity.

Survivorship.org An international publication and organization for survivors of ritualistic abuse, mind control, and torture.

 

[Jostler]

 

[Jostler]

The above is a poem that was shared with me around my fire by a precious friend, Adam Safari. That was written by his daughter, and it brought me to tears.

She has powerfully expressed an insight few can walk in, that is so very critical to master for those of us who hope to accompany survivors as He walks them toward freedom.

The understanding Ms. Safari so eloquently put into words, is exactly how our Lord and King ministers to these He is calling out of the darkness they have been immersed in from birth.

We must mimick Him if we hope to be used by Him in this mission to see captives set free...