You already admitted you got your doctrines from Kingdom Hall.
Peter identifies Jesus as our God and Savior
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BARNEY BRIGHT
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Stop twisting my words!
Matthew 12:40 (NKJV)
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Of course Jesus didn't "cease to exist".
BARNEY BRIGHT
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If you say he didn't exist for parts of three days, then you're teaching Jesus didn't die. That's what's wrong with your teaching is that you do deny Jesus died for us.
I never said Jesus "ceased to exist" for 3 days. YOU did. Or should I say Kingdom Hall did?
BARNEY BRIGHT
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You really don't know how to read, do you? I said, if you're saying Jesus didn't exist for parts of three days, you're denying Jesus didn't die for us. I didn't say you were saying, Jesus didn't exist for three days, I said "if" you're denying Jesus didn't exist for parts of three days then you're denying Jesus didn't die for mankind. I know you disagree with that but the truth is you are denying Jesus died for mankind if you don't believe he didn't exist for parts of three days.
Yes I can read. You're still making stuff up. Jesus did not "cease to exist" no matter what Kingdom Hall told you to say!
Matthew 12:40 (NKJV)
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Making it up, no that's you that's doing that. You're the one not believing what God said to Adam. You saying, "returning back to the dust" only meant God was talking about Adams body, that's making something up. You can't show in that Scripture at Genesis 3:19 that God was not talking to the person known as Adam. He wasn't talking only to or about Adams body when God said to Adam, "For dust you are and to dust you will return." Nowhere in that Scripture of Genesis 3:19 when God uses the word, "you" does it mean that God wasn't talking to a person who is known as Adam. He was talking to a person when God used the word, "you" when referring to Adam, so when God said, "for dust "you" are and to dust "you" will return," he was talking to and about the person who was known as Adam not only his body as you're saying. You saying that, "returning back to the dust" means God was talking to and about Adams body only is making stuff up.
Is that how Kingdom Hall taught you to do? Repeat what Kingdom Hall says over and over. You can't prove any of your Kingdom Hall doctrines.
You're still making stuff up. Jesus did not "cease to exist" no matter what Kingdom Hall told you to say!
Matthew 12:40 (NKJV)
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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No it's called common sense, knowing how to read. I, unlike you, know that at Genesis 3:19 God was talking to a person who's name was Adam, so when God said, "dust you are and dust you will return" he was saying that to a person and about that person.
Jesus did not "cease to exist", no matter what Kingdom Hall told you.
Matthew 12:40 (NKJV)
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Remember, Kingdom Hall also told you, "Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER and ever". Your leaders are totally confused. Don't follow KH to the "everlasting fire".
Christophany, God bless you for an excellent discussion starter about Jesus being both God and Lord as Saviour. That was WHOM Thomas confessed Jesus to be for him and that is WHO Jesus, for everyone of his own, as Saviour, is. In other words, Jesus is a pathetic non-saviour were He not BOTH LORD, AND, GOD.
Allow me to contribute two, three, items of my own confession of Jesus' SAVIOURSHIP. . .
Would you agree?
Allow me to contribute two, three, items of my own confession of Jesus' SAVIOURSHIP. . .
Would you agree?
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Item 3,
Three Scriptures,
Mark 2:28 THEREFORE the Son of Man is LORD also of the Sabbath.
Exodus 20:10 The day The Seventh Day is the Sabbath Day of the LORD your GOD.
Deuteronomy 5:15 Remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt and that the LORD thy (SAVIOUR) GOD brought thee out thence through a MIGHTY HAND (Jesus Christ SAVIOUR), THEREFORE THE LORD (of the Sabbath Jesus the Son of Man) thy SAVIOUR GOD commanded thee to keep / remember the Sabbath Day.
Conclusion. . .
Jesus is none other than "JESUS THE SAME" SAVIOUR LORD AND GOD. . . "of the Sabbath Day". So the Sabbath Day Scriptures provide solid Scriptural proof for Christ's eternal Deity and Divinity.
Three Scriptures,
Mark 2:28 THEREFORE the Son of Man is LORD also of the Sabbath.
Exodus 20:10 The day The Seventh Day is the Sabbath Day of the LORD your GOD.
Deuteronomy 5:15 Remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt and that the LORD thy (SAVIOUR) GOD brought thee out thence through a MIGHTY HAND (Jesus Christ SAVIOUR), THEREFORE THE LORD (of the Sabbath Jesus the Son of Man) thy SAVIOUR GOD commanded thee to keep / remember the Sabbath Day.
Conclusion. . .
Jesus is none other than "JESUS THE SAME" SAVIOUR LORD AND GOD. . . "of the Sabbath Day". So the Sabbath Day Scriptures provide solid Scriptural proof for Christ's eternal Deity and Divinity.
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Can't you see, Jesus was NO ORDINARY MAN, BUT THE ONE AND ONLY GOD-MAN GOD THE SON OF GOD, GOD THE SON OF MAN! He did NOT <<return to dust>> but was as in his death and as in his grave LIKE HE WAS IN HIS RESURRECTION, GOD incessantly THE ALMIGHTY.
Dear friend, if we could understand, what explain, what define, what it means that Jesus Christ died for us--for our sins--for our forgiveness--for our redemption, salvation and eternal LIFE, yes DIED, He never could be God Almighty Loving or Faithful.
And what I tell you here, I tell everybody else, that if we could understand, what explain, what define, what declare AS IF WE ARE God, what it was and or what it meant that Jesus Christ died for us--for our sins--for our forgiveness--for our redemption, for our salvation and eternal LIFE, yes DIED and ROSE again from the dead, He never could be THE MAN JESUS OF NAZARETH WHO SINLESS, IMMACULATE, WHO, WITHOUT BLEMISH OR SPOT OR WRINKLE OF CORRUPTIBILITY, DIED, AND WAS BURIED, AND ROSE AGAIN -- WHO SAVED AND REDEEMED US with un-understandable, incomprehensible, inarguable, inestimable, incalculable, INVINCIBILITY and therefore SAVED US, men, his very antagonist and foe, with unique, unrepeatable, incomparable, un-understandable DIVINENESS OF POWER OF THE LORD GOD HIMSELF.
No, He was not DEAD, for three days, but, with reference to Matthew 12:40, Jesus was "for three days and three nights in the HEART-of-the-earth"-- the heart of deepest depths of SUFFERING AND ERNIEDRIGUNG OF THE CHRIST : "UNTO DEATH", even the death of death. He "finished" suffering death "the ninth hour", "on the first day", "the fourteenth day of the First Month"; He was finished buried "mid-afternoon That Day" : "of great-day-sabbath", "on the first day unleavened bread", "the fifteenth day of the First Month"; and He "finished" death AND "CLEANING THE SANCTUARY", "mid-afternoon ON THE SABBATH OF THE WEEK", "on the sixteenth day of the First Month". (You'll find each ""-quoted Scripture and others with a Cruden's.) It's that simple.
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