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Good answer! I worded my question poorly! But you are correct, Paul was not taught by Jesus, rather, Jesus gave revelation to Paul.

So then could we say that Paul was not taught the Gospel, nor did he learn about Jesus, rather, that Jesus revealed Himself to Paul, and revealed to Paul those things that Paul wrote?

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Yes! When Jesus asked Peter who do people say I am?.....then asked him who do you say I am?....then said blessed are you for this was revealed to you by the Spirit.
 
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Are you asking a question here?

Or making a snide statement?

Do you have an objection to something said?

Are you cessationist?

Is this just to impugn me, like I just "pick and choose what to believe"? "Reject as truth"? An accusation of "intellectual dishonesty"?

Dead in Sin !

Have you considered why you feel this sort of thing to be so important, and that each of us will give account for themself?

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your words not mine regarding extrabiblical books on history and culture. You made numerous comments on sola scriptura in this thread

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and don't bring mans opinion outside of the bible into the discussion such as culture, the times of their day, customs since those are things outside of the bible and are unnecessary for knowledge and wisdom from God since you said that earlier.
Many "doctrines" have been formed from so-called historical perspectives.

Shall I mention the Book of Enoch?

One of the poorest supports in my opinion thats given for the pre-trib rapture is the "Jewish wedding ceremony".

I don't mind people's ideas, but I'm not about to hold them in the same regard as the Bible, not in the slightest.

What does the Treasury department do? Let people handle the real currency so they know IT.

But yes, you are right, that God is able to give us all wisdom and knowledge we need even without a public library, or now, internet.

Don't you find the best of times to be when you just curl up with your Bible for a week or whatever?

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Are you asking a question here?

Or making a snide statement?

Do you have an objection to something said?

Are you cessationist?

Is this just to impugn me, like I just "pick and choose what to believe"? "Reject as truth"? An accusation of "intellectual dishonesty"?

Dead in Sin !

Have you considered why you feel this sort of thing to be so important, and that each of us will give account for themself?

Much love!
No you made the comment about anything outside of the bible to understand it so disregard culture and bible history to aid in understanding since its not needed and only the Holy Spirit is necessary for knowledge.

So everything in 1 Corinthians should be heeded including women in the church not teaching, remaining silent, asking questions at home not at church, etc...........
 

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No you made the comment about anything outside of the bible to understand it so disregard culture and bible history to aid in understanding since its not needed and only the Holy Spirit is necessary for knowledge.

So everything in 1 Corinthians should be heeded including women in the church not teaching, remaining silent, asking questions at home not at church, etc...........
OK, I just want to be clear . . . assuming you can read it, that you are fluent it the language you are reading, you are saying that someone, a born again Spirit filled Christian CANNOT understand the Bible without first understanding other things from other books?

This is your view?

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Many "doctrines" have been formed from so-called historical perspectives.

Shall I mention the Book of Enoch?

One of the poorest supports in my opinion thats given for the pre-trib rapture is the "Jewish wedding ceremony".

I don't mind people's ideas, but I'm not about to hold them in the same regard as the Bible, not in the slightest.

What does the Treasury department do? Let people handle the real currency so they know IT.

But yes, you are right, that God is able to give us all wisdom and knowledge we need even without a public library, or now, internet.

Don't you find the best of times to be when you just curl up with your Bible for a week or whatever?

Much love!
Anything outside of the bible is irrelevant according to you in the other thread. Just the bible and the Holy Spirit is all one needs to interpret and understand the bible. So your analogies are meaningless at this point.

So which is it mark ?
 

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OK, I just want to be clear . . . assuming you can read it, that you are fluent it the language you are reading, you are saying that someone, a born again Spirit filled Christian CANNOT understand the Bible without first understanding other things from other books?

This is your view?

Much love!
No I'm saying 1 Corinthians needs to be understood in its historical context and background otherwise people can make a mess out of that book applying some of the things in that culture to ours.
 

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Anything outside of the bible is irrelevant according to you in the other thread. Just the bible and the Holy Spirit is all one needs to interpret and understand the bible. So your analogies are meaningless at this point.

So which is it mark ?
What analogies do you have in mind? I don't really know where you are going here. But you seem to be fighting tooth and nail for the inability of the Holy Spirit to teach and reveal His Word.

I don't mind that you study books. And I've studied books. So what? To look down on those that don't study extrabiblical books as if they can't understand the Bible, I competely disagree with that position.

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No I'm saying 1 Corinthians needs to be understood in its historical context and background otherwise people can make a mess out of that book applying some of the things in that culture to ours.
That's like a no and a yes.

But I think we can both understand and apply the passages to our modern lives without Edersheim or Josephus.

If it helps you, that's good!

And, this is a good example of the need for spiritually gifted teachers.

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What analogies do you have in mind? I don't really know where you are going here. But you seem to be fighting tooth and nail for the inability of the Holy Spirit to teach and reveal His Word.

I don't mind that you study books. And I've studied books. So what? To look down on those that don't study extrabiblical books as if they can't understand the Bible, I competely disagree with that position.

Much love!
Paul, Moses and Solomon are good examples of what I'm talking about as they had knowledge of things outside of the Scriptures that were useful to them with things they could draw from and use for Gods glory.
 

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That's like a no and a yes.

But I think we can both understand and apply the passages to our modern lives without Edersheim or Josephus.

If it helps you, that's good!

And, this is a good example of the need for spiritually gifted teachers.

Much love!
So a person with the gift of teaching needs nothing outside of the bible itself, not mentoring or anything else correct ?

Just God alone right ?

And does God give this gift right out of the gate at conversion ?
 

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Paul, Moses and Solomon are good examples of what I'm talking about as they had knowledge of things outside of the Scriptures that were useful to them with things they could draw from and use for Gods glory.
Shall we begin with Solomon? Vanity of vanities, all is vanity, and chasing after the wind!

I suggest a deep immersion into Ecclesiastes. I think it's very meaningful to come to understand the emptiness of all that is in this world, and of this world. Who made deeper quests for knowledge than Solomon?

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Paul, Moses and Solomon are good examples of what I'm talking about as they had knowledge of things outside of the Scriptures that were useful to them with things they could draw from and use for Gods glory.
Paul, he declared everything outside of Christ to be dung. What more need be said? And what Paul wrote, he did not learn, it was revealed to him.

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So a person with the gift of teaching needs nothing outside of the bible itself, not mentoring or anything else correct ?

Just God alone right ?

And does God give this gift right out of the gate at conversion ?
I think it best to leave it here.

We need what God knows we need, nothing more, nothing less, and we can trust that God will supply all our need, to give us a full self-sufficiency to every good work.

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I think it best to leave it here.

We need what God knows we need, nothing more, nothing less, and we can trust that God will supply all our need, to give us a full self-sufficiency to every good work.

Much love!
Why leave it here and not pursue Gods gift of teaching as our example,

When does God give a person a spiritual that spiritual gift ?

How do they know when they have one ?

How is that confirmed ?

Do they get it when they are babes in Christ ?

If not why not ?

What does spiritual maturity have to do with a gift ?