Those who deny Eternal Security

[ReChoired]

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John 6:54
54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. ...

Yes, eating and drinking must be continual, not for a single event, or for a short while.

 

[ReChoired]

Hebrews 10.14: "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

This excludes any idea of, Well, s/he's saved now, but by the weekend if s/he doesn't "keep it up" s/he might not be saved after all, or yo-yo from one state to another; this would not be a faith view of that perfect work which Hebrews speaks of.

OSASer's always ignore context:

Hebrews 10:29 KJB - Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

ANYONE WHO DENIES THE ETERNAL SECURITY OF THE BELIEVER CALLS CHRIST A LIAR.

Not at all.

Those who say once they are saved they are always saved call Christ a liar:

Luke 12:46 KJV
[46] The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Your doctrine says a servant of Christ will never be appointed a portion with the unbelievers under any circumstance.

 

[ReChoired]

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (John 6:37)

Yep. Jesus won't cast out (forcefully thrown), but it doesn't say we cannot leave of our own accord through unbelief (Jesus let's us go because we choose to no longer walk with Him; 1 Cor. 7:15 applies), does it?

 

[ReChoired]

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:40)

Yes, key active word, "believeth". It's the condition you are re-writing. The eternal life is not ever inherent with us. It is always in the Son.

 

[ReChoired]

This is that bread [Christ] which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread [Christ] shall live for ever. (John 6:58)

Yes, the key active word is "eateth". Not a one time 'eaten' (past tense and done), and not for a time 'eating' (for some time and then quit eating, for whoever quits eating, will perish, starve to death). The eating must be continual, even as Adam had to eat from the tree of life daily to live forever. Never is mankind given immortality unconditionally. It is always based in condition. The eternal life is always found in God, even Christ Jesus.

 

[ReChoired]

He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) (John 7:38,39)

Again, key active word, "believeth". As a person can receive the Holy Ghost, so can a person blaspheme the Holy Ghost (as King Saul), and then never has forgiveness.

Mat_12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.​

The "whosoever" includes those who believe in Christ Jesus.

 

[ReChoired]

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.
(John 10:27-30)

Yes, no one can "pluck" (forcefully remove) from the hand of God, but one can be drawn away by/through temptation, and so desire to willingly leave the hand of God. Force was never part of their leaving. Paul says as much in Romans, leaving the person themselves the only way to leave ("any other creature"; Romans 8:39). The text does not say "any creature". It says any "other" creature, which leaves the person free to stay or go at their own desire/will.

Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; - 2 Peter 2:15

But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. - 2 Peter 2:16

These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. - 2 Peter 2:17

For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. - 2 Peter 2:18

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. - 2 Peter 2:19

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. - 2 Peter 2:20

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. - 2 Peter 2:21

But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. - 2 Peter 2:22 [see also 1 Corinthians 6:11, “washed”]​

Please notice all of the Past Tense words, in relationship to ones salvation and relationship to Jesus Christ. So Biblical salvation theology says that I can have assurance of salvation, that I can believe that Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of my Faith, and yet leave me with the choice that God has given me to either continue to believe ["patience", "continuance", "abide", "remain in", "endure unto the end"; etc] that or to refuse it at any point altogether in my walk with Him.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Why would we ever try to deny Jesus died to seal the promise of our eternal security in him?
Did he instead die to seal conditional security?

Here is scripture regarding our assurance. 1 John 3:18-24

18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. ... 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[WaterSong]

Here is scripture regarding our assurance. 1 John 3:18-24

18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. ... 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Error
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Thank you for sharing that.

I alike this verse as it speaks to assurance of our eternal security.
John 5:24 “I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life."

 

[Enoch111]

Please notice all of the Past Tense words, in relationship to ones salvation and relationship to Jesus Christ. So Biblical salvation theology says that I can have assurance of salvation, that I can believe that Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of my Faith, and yet leave me with the choice that God has given me to either continue to believe ["patience", "continuance", "abide", "remain in", "endure unto the end"; etc] that or to refuse it at any point altogether in my walk with Him.

Do you realize how nonsensical this sounds?

 

[ChristisGod]

Thank you for sharing that.

I alike this verse as it speaks to assurance of our eternal security.
John 5:24 “I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life."

Amen to the TRUTH !

 

[Enoch111]

Your doctrine says a servant of Christ will never be appointed a portion with the unbelievers under any circumstance.

And that is correct, notwithstanding your misapplication of a parabolic statement.

THIS SPEAKS OF ONE WHO ONLY PROFESSORS CHRIST, NOT A CHILD OF GOD
But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

 

[Michiah-Imla]

THIS SPEAKS OF ONE WHO ONLY PROFESSORS CHRIST, NOT A CHILD OF GOD
But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

Says you.

This passage is a warning to believers not to grow impatient in the faith.

Once Saved Always Saved says you can beat the menservants and maidens and be drunken and not be appointed a portion with the unbelievers.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Eternal Security is a doctrine of men who refuse to submit to God's sanctifying power to overcome the lusts of the flesh.

Trouble is that people cherry pick verses of the Bible that suit their theological position and ignore verses that contradict it.

Genuine Christian converts will forsake the works of the flesh. That is a given. Those who hold on to works of the flesh show that they may profess Christianity but are not truly born again of the Spirit of God. They don't have the new heart that hates the works of the flesh. A true believer hates sin in him or herself, and loves other believers not holding their shortcomings and failures against them. Unconverted Christian professing religious people are expert at trying to get the speck of sin out of the eyes of others, while playing down or ignoring the log in their own. When we see a religious zealot going around exposing sin in others, we see an unconverted hypocrite wearing a christian badge. They don't know that love covers a multitude of sins, and they treat the shortcomings of others with discretion and grace. The genuine believer may see sin in others, but goes to his private prayer closet and prays for them that their faith will not fail and that God through His grace will work in them through the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit to enable them to walk in the Spirit.

It is part of the preaching of the gospel to sinners to compare their lives with the Ten Commandments to show them that they are sinners, and that they need Christ in order to survive the Judgment. But to do the same to converted believers is to deny the power of the blood of Jesus and make Him out to be a liar concerning what He said in His Word that there is no condemnation to those in Christ, that the spirit of life in Christ has translated the true believer from the law of sin and death, and that a person's shortcomings and failures in sanctification has been totally covered by the righteousness of Christ which has been bestowed on him as a free gift of God's grace.

If some came to me and tried to confront me over my failures and shortcomings and to doubt my eternal security because of their perception of sin in my life, I would turn on them and cast that evil demonic lying blaspheming spirit out of them! Accusing genuine born again believers of sin is blasphemy of the shed blood of Christ, and a denial of God's word, making out that the Holy Spirit who inspired the Word is a liar.

 

[ChristisGod]

another WOF sensationalist............

 

[Paul Christensen]

Never claimed it was the same.

Are you saying hypocrisy is not a sin ? yes or no

a hypocrite is not a person who struggles with sin in his life and knows it, but is a person who says he is good when he is not, and has a holy than thou attitude to those he thinks is living at a lower standard of sanctification than himself.

 

[Paul Christensen]

another WOF sensationalist............

Are you referring to me?
If so, you need to know that I am a Reformed Pentecostal with foundations in 17th Century Calvinist Puritan theology, discipled by a very strict Methodist Holiness pastor. That's about as far away from WOF as one can get!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Thank you for sharing that.

I alike this verse as it speaks to assurance of our eternal security.
John 5:24 “I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life."

Yes, and the key word is believes, which means to obey, as the opposite is disobedient.

1 Peter 2:
7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient...

 

[Paul Christensen]

Says you.

This passage is a warning to believers not to grow impatient in the faith.

Once Saved Always Saved says you can beat the menservants and maidens and be drunken and not be appointed a portion with the unbelievers.

No. That story was told by Jesus to unconverted Jews to show how the Jews treated God's prophets, and finally will reject their Messiah, and looks to the future when there will be a final judgment when those Jew who reject their Messiah will incur the wrath of God. The passage was not written to Christian believers. It was written for us - to educate us in order to understand why the Jews are no longer God's chosen people at the cutting edge of God's plans and purposes.