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And ‘in the cool of the day’?
Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

In my mind I had it backwards thinking it said ‘and they heard the voice of the Lord walking in the garden in the heat of the day’:

Nothing near <heat> of day; but "cool" from 'ruach' - 'wind'; also "quick" (part) and (first) "quarter"; in Genesis 1:8 'ruach' this once only is a Noun. I once read an 'official' translation with "evening".
It simply to me is silly to make of the Seventh Day an exception of one day out of seven days that every one, was "And it was evening and it was morning the ... Day" of the seven first days of our cosmic existence, the work of our Creator Saviour God. Sabbath haters falsely allege the Seventh Day was not made up of the same physical stuff of matter-time relation equivalence of night and day because its presence in the creation story gives them the shivers for fear..
 

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Bartholomew jones says:
The first time human beings began calling on that name is noted at the very end of Ch 4 [/Quote\]

Actually Genesis chapter 2:4 shows God's name was used before Genesis 4:26. The calling on the name YHWH God at Genesis 4:26 was a calling on YHWH name in a faithless way or a slanderous way.
Go back and read what I said.
 

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Mat 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
Mat 20:9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

Mat 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

Mark 1:32 "And evening [opsia] COME [genomenehs] when [hote] set [edusen Aorist Ingressive Past Perfect] the sun [ho hehlios]

'even' and 'evening' in KJV are virtually the same for DUSK "after sunset".
 

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Yeah, that's what I said, early evening.
Thanks for confirming by the way..
 

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I tell ya what God clothed Adam and Eve with.. but you wouldn't believe me if I told ya..
so.. yeah the 8th day.
 

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Num 15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

Lev 20:17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.

Isa 29:20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:

Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Lev 12:3 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

And incase you want to argue Moses law..

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

God already gave man EVERYTHING while they was in the garden... that's how they knew... oh oh, better go hide.

There is a difference between physical and spiritual circumcision.
The day Adam and Eve broke relationship with God, it cut his heart.

oops:
Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

Now prove me wrong.
 

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All you're seeing is "every plant before it was in the earth." That's not what it says. It specifies, "Every plant OF THE FIELD (he's only talking about plants in the field) before it was in the earth. There weren't plants in the fields but there were plants everywhere else. Get it?

I understand the point you are trying to make; however, it is ultimately moot. I will summarize the main issue first…
  • Genesis 1: God makes plants and animals first, then Man.
  • Genesis 2: God makes Man first, then plants and animals after.
So, which is it? This is clearly a contradiction that must be resolved. The most popular solution is the one I am assuming you agree with. That is to say that the word ‘Field’ is referring to a Farm, and *not* the entire Earth. Thus, after God makes plants and animals of the Earth, he then begins to make specific ‘Farm Animals and Crops’ that are to be placed in the Garden of Eden.

Proposed Solution:
  • Plant of the Field = Corn, Tomatoes, Wheat, etc.
  • Herb of the Field = Cilantro, Basil, etc.
  • Beast of the Field = Mules, Cows, Goats, etc.
  • Fowl of the Air = Chickens, Ducks, Geese, etc.
Again, according to the proposed solution, these Plants and Beasts are specific to the Garden of Eden.

Now, I will say this…

For many years I agreed with this interpretation. It is a very neat and tidy way of making the “Two Creation Accounts” agree with one another.

Unfortunately, upon double checking this theory, I came across a verse that completely invalidates it…

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"


The above verse determines the exact moment in time that Adam was created. That moment in time was the *DAY* that God made the Earth and Heavens. What day was that?

Day 3!

Genesis 1:9-10
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."


And there you have it. It matters not whether God made Chickens, or Zucchini in Genesis 2. The bottom line is that the Word of God specifies the Third Day as the day Adam was created.

Now, this causes a problem for the ‘Evolution’ people. How can Plants and Animals ‘evolve’ after Man is created first? No problem!

Just tell everyone a BIG LIE and say that when God said ‘Day’, what he actually meant to say was ‘Six Days’. Now, when they re-write the Bible, it will say what they want it to say…

Genesis 2:4 (Evolutionist Version 1.0)
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth and of the plants and of the animals and of the whales and of the Greater Light and of the Lesser Light and of the Stars when they were created, in the six days of creation that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens and the plants and the animals and the whales and the Greater Light and the Lesser Light and the Stars,"


There. That should do it. Here is an example of the “Thought Police” in action…

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Genesis 2:4 Commentaries: This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

Six Days now means a Day? Now that’s blasphemy!

BTW…

Now you know why Jesus rose on the Third Day. Because that is when Man rose. First Adam, Last Adam… all on Day 3. Simple.

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Jer 2:21 Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?
:eek:
Did someone change their DNA?

Look at the next verse...

Jeremiah 2:22
"For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD."


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I tell ya what God clothed Adam and Eve with.. but you wouldn't believe me if I told ya..

Job 10:11
"Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews."
 
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Did someone change their DNA?

Look at the next verse...

Jeremiah 2:22
"For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD."


;)
Without looking... ok???
I believe it is like adultery.. not in the physical but spiritual.
When you turn from God and chase after other"gods" whatever the worldly desires you set up in your heart as your masters,
Then this leaves a "mark" it has a "name" . I believe that mark is either adultery or fornication.. again spiritually.

This just off the top my head.
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Job 10:11
"Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews."
I was working on a different mindset.
It was in the context of circumcision....
nuff said..
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Num 15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

Lev 20:17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.

Isa 29:20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:

Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Lev 12:3 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

And incase you want to argue Moses law..

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

God already gave man EVERYTHING while they was in the garden... that's how they knew... oh oh, better go hide.

There is a difference between physical and spiritual circumcision.
The day Adam and Eve broke relationship with God, it cut his heart.

oops:
Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

Now prove me wrong.

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Is that how they do things in S. Africa friend?
I haven't attacked you...
But yet you find some amusement? satisfaction? in attacking me?

You want to fight we can take it outside.
We don't need to have an audience..
unless your just looking for attention.

Be at Peace brother.
 
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I understand the point you are trying to make; however, it is ultimately moot. I will summarize the main issue first…
  • Genesis 1: God makes plants and animals first, then Man.
  • Genesis 2: God makes Man first, then plants and animals after.
So, which is it? This is clearly a contradiction that must be resolved. The most popular solution is the one I am assuming you agree with. That is to say that the word ‘Field’ is referring to a Farm, and *not* the entire Earth. Thus, after God makes plants and animals of the Earth, he then begins to make specific ‘Farm Animals and Crops’ that are to be placed in the Garden of Eden.

Proposed Solution:
  • Plant of the Field = Corn, Tomatoes, Wheat, etc.
  • Herb of the Field = Cilantro, Basil, etc.
  • Beast of the Field = Mules, Cows, Goats, etc.
  • Fowl of the Air = Chickens, Ducks, Geese, etc.
Again, according to the proposed solution, these Plants and Beasts are specific to the Garden of Eden.

Now, I will say this…

For many years I agreed with this interpretation. It is a very neat and tidy way of making the “Two Creation Accounts” agree with one another.

Unfortunately, upon double checking this theory, I came across a verse that completely invalidates it…

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"


The above verse determines the exact moment in time that Adam was created. That moment in time was the *DAY* that God made the Earth and Heavens. What day was that?

Day 3!

Genesis 1:9-10
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."


And there you have it. It matters not whether God made Chickens, or Zucchini in Genesis 2. The bottom line is that the Word of God specifies the Third Day as the day Adam was created.

Now, this causes a problem for the ‘Evolution’ people. How can Plants and Animals ‘evolve’ after Man is created first? No problem!

Just tell everyone a BIG LIE and say that when God said ‘Day’, what he actually meant to say was ‘Six Days’. Now, when they re-write the Bible, it will say what they want it to say…

Genesis 2:4 (Evolutionist Version 1.0)
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth and of the plants and of the animals and of the whales and of the Greater Light and of the Lesser Light and of the Stars when they were created, in the six days of creation that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens and the plants and the animals and the whales and the Greater Light and the Lesser Light and the Stars,"


There. That should do it. Here is an example of the “Thought Police” in action…

full


Genesis 2:4 Commentaries: This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

Six Days now means a Day? Now that’s blasphemy!

BTW…

Now you know why Jesus rose on the Third Day. Because that is when Man rose. First Adam, Last Adam… all on Day 3. Simple.

full
I understand the point you are trying to make; however, it is ultimately moot. I will summarize the main issue first…
  • Genesis 1: God makes plants and animals first, then Man.
  • Genesis 2: God makes Man first, then plants and animals after.
So, which is it? This is clearly a contradiction that must be resolved. The most popular solution is the one I am assuming you agree with. That is to say that the word ‘Field’ is referring to a Farm, and *not* the entire Earth. Thus, after God makes plants and animals of the Earth, he then begins to make specific ‘Farm Animals and Crops’ that are to be placed in the Garden of Eden.

Proposed Solution:
  • Plant of the Field = Corn, Tomatoes, Wheat, etc.
  • Herb of the Field = Cilantro, Basil, etc.
  • Beast of the Field = Mules, Cows, Goats, etc.
  • Fowl of the Air = Chickens, Ducks, Geese, etc.
Again, according to the proposed solution, these Plants and Beasts are specific to the Garden of Eden.

Now, I will say this…

For many years I agreed with this interpretation. It is a very neat and tidy way of making the “Two Creation Accounts” agree with one another.

Unfortunately, upon double checking this theory, I came across a verse that completely invalidates it…

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"


The above verse determines the exact moment in time that Adam was created. That moment in time was the *DAY* that God made the Earth and Heavens. What day was that?

Day 3!

Genesis 1:9-10
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."


And there you have it. It matters not whether God made Chickens, or Zucchini in Genesis 2. The bottom line is that the Word of God specifies the Third Day as the day Adam was created.

Now, this causes a problem for the ‘Evolution’ people. How can Plants and Animals ‘evolve’ after Man is created first? No problem!

Just tell everyone a BIG LIE and say that when God said ‘Day’, what he actually meant to say was ‘Six Days’. Now, when they re-write the Bible, it will say what they want it to say…

Genesis 2:4 (Evolutionist Version 1.0)
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth and of the plants and of the animals and of the whales and of the Greater Light and of the Lesser Light and of the Stars when they were created, in the six days of creation that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens and the plants and the animals and the whales and the Greater Light and the Lesser Light and the Stars,"


There. That should do it. Here is an example of the “Thought Police” in action…

full


Genesis 2:4 Commentaries: This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

Six Days now means a Day? Now that’s blasphemy!

BTW…

Now you know why Jesus rose on the Third Day. Because that is when Man rose. First Adam, Last Adam… all on Day 3. Simple.

No, I know... but not what you, ostensibly, know. Your view is a very good example though of what ignorance does with the all-knowing know-nothing.

Unforgiveable your twisting and abuse of Ellicott's!
 
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No, I know... but not what you, ostensibly, know. Your view is a very good example though of what ignorance does with the all-knowing know-nothing.

Unforgiveable your twisting and abuse of Ellicott's!
We're all learning brother.

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