Where does the Bible say...

[BreadOfLife]

Isiah 8:20.

That verse doesn't make this claim.
In case you don't understand - the "Scriptura" part of Sola Scriptura means the WRITTEN Word.

Isaiah 8:20 makes NO mention of the written Word of God - NOR does it say that it is our SOLE Authority. This would make God a hypocrite for insisting that His CHURCH is our final earthly Authority in verses like Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16 and John 20:21-23.

 

[theefaith]

Ah, I see now. If you're thinking this is a competition between doctrinal veracity, that of the Protestants compared to that of the Roman Catholics, have at it. There is no scripture that sustains what is today's RCC,, or its doctrine or its offices of Pope and College of Cardinals. Both institutions are manifestations of the Roman government in the time of RCC's manufacture. The Pope=Caesar. The College of Cardinals=Roman Senate.
I shall not participate.

Thanks for informing me of your intentions.
God Bless.

you somehow have scripture that’s says to have A reformation? To create doctrines or Solas?
to oppose those sent by Christ and the apostles?
Peter, and the apostles, and their successors sent by Christ!

Lk 10:16 He who hears you hears me, he who rejects you rejects me!

Jn 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21-22
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:


Matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Disciples must be taught:

The apostles cannot teach error:

Jn 8:32

Jn 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Must receive the apostles and their successors

Jn 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

there is only one church founded by Christ not Cesar matt 16:18 jn 10:16

 

[theefaith]

Isaiah 8:20:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

God always establishes order in man and the people’s obedience to hierarchical authority!

The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!

All require obedience to hierarchical authority!

The church is not a democracy but a kingdom!

 

[101G]

Where does the Bible say the Bible is the final authority?

John 5:39. (kjv)

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[BreadOfLife]

Isaiah 8:20.

Nope.
See post #21.

 

[theefaith]

John 5:39. (kjv)

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

only refers to the OT including Maccabees 1 & 2

 

[BreadOfLife]

John 5:39. (kjv)

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

John 5:39
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me

Nowhere does this verse even come CLOSE to stating that Scripture is our "SOLE" Authority.
Jesus is chastising the Pharisees because they were going by the letter of the written Word instead of understanding WHO it was talking about.

Anybody else wanna give it a try?

 

[WaterSong]

you somehow have scripture that’s says to have A reformation?.....

The Catholic Reformation?
Or the Protestant?

 

[theefaith]

The Protestant introduced new doctrine

The catholic reformation was more a matter of discipline

 

[101G]

John 5:39
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me

Nowhere does this verse even come CLOSE to stating that Scripture is our "SOLE" Authority.
Jesus is chastising the Pharisees because they were going by the letter of the written Word instead of understanding WHO it was talking about.

Anybody else wanna give it a try?

well don't search them, it's just that simple.... YIKES!

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Brakelite]

Where does the Bible say the Bible is the final authority?

KJV John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
KJV John 17:17
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

 

[Brakelite]

That verse doesn't make this claim.
In case you don't understand - the "Scriptura" part of Sola Scriptura means the WRITTEN Word.

Isaiah 8:20 makes NO mention of the written Word of God - NOR does it say that it is our SOLE Authority. This would make God a hypocrite for insisting that His CHURCH is our final earthly Authority in verses like Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16 and John 20:21-23.

Typical Jesuit response. If the church says that snow is black, then it must be black.

 

[JunChosen]

#theefaith and @BoL,

#WaterSong gave you Deuteronomy 4:2 and you denied it is not Scripture concerning Sola Scriptura only because you lack the knowledge and understanding of Scripture.

You believe that your church is the ground and pillar of truth. What audacity! IOW, your church is claiming that Jesus is a LIAR because He came declaring He is the Way, the Truth, and the life.

Your church do not believe in Sola Scriptura and now I'm going to finish what @WaterSong started.

Revelation 22:18-19 reads:

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book (Bible), If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book (Bible).

The Scripture verses above are self explanatory. No need to expound but if it needs to I will. I would like to remind you that Jesus is giving John this revelation and to write it in a book!

Sola Scriptura? Well, I'm afraid you and the CC have a different gospel than that of the true (Protestant) believers?

To God Be The Glory

 

[BreadOfLife]

Typical Jesuit response. If the church says that snow is black, then it must be black.

I'm not a Jesuit. I'm not even a priest - and only a priest can be a Jesuit because the Society of Jesus is a priestly order.

Anyway - I think you're a little angry because I asked for Scriptural proof of Sola Scriptura - and so far, you've all failed.

 

[BreadOfLife]

#theefaith and @BoL,

#WaterSong gave you Deuteronomy 4:2 and you denied it is not Scripture concerning Sola Scriptura only because you lack the knowledge and understanding of Scripture.

You believe that your church is the ground and pillar of truth. What audacity! IOW, your church is claiming that Jesus is a LIAR because He came declaring He is the Way, the Truth, and the life.

Your church do not believe in Sola Scriptura and now I'm going to finish what @WaterSong started.

Revelation 22:18-19 reads:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book (Bible), If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book (Bible).

The Scripture verses above are self explanatory. No need to expound but if it needs to I will. I would like to remind you that Jesus is giving John this revelation and to write it in a book!

Sola Scriptura? Well, I'm afraid you and the CC have a different gospel than that of the true (Protestant) believers?

To God Be The Glory

Thanks for proving my point.
Here's a little lesson for you: Don't QUOTE the Bible until you LEARN what it is saying.

Deut. 4:2 is talking about the Book of DEUTERONOMY and NOT the entire collection of Books that comprise the Bible.
First of all - the entire Bible hadn't been written yet.

Secondly - you need to read it in its proper CONTEXT.
Let's start with verse 1 - THEN read on to verse 2:
Deut. 4:1-2
Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

Thirdly - this is the exact SAME case with Rev. 22:18-19.
ONLY the Book of REVELATION is being discussed . . .
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of THIS SCROLL (Revelation): If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in THIS SCROLL (Revelation). And if anyone takes words away from THIS SCROLL OF PROPHECY (Revelation), God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

NEITHER of these passages teaches false Protestant invention of Sola Scriptura so don't make any more unsubstantiated claims.

 

[WaterSong]

The catholic reformation was more a matter of discipline

Not quite.
The Catholic Reformation | Encyclopedia.com

 

[WaterSong]

Thanks for proving my point.
Here's a little lesson for you: Don't QUOTE the Bible until you LEARN what it is saying.

Deut. 4:2 is talking about the Book of DEUTERONOMY and NOT the entire collection of Books that comprise the Bible.
First of all - the entire Bible hadn't been written yet.

Secondly - you need to read it in its proper CONTEXT.
Let's start with verse 1 - THEN read on to verse 2:
Deut. 4:1-2
Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

Thirdly - this is the exact SAME case with Rev. 22:18-19.
ONLY the Book of REVELATION is being discussed . . .
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of THIS SCROLL (Revelation): If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in THIS SCROLL (Revelation). And if anyone takes words away from THIS SCROLL OF PROPHECY (Revelation), God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

NEITHER of these passages teaches false Protestant invention of Sola Scriptura so don't make any more unsubstantiated claims.

At this point I think what may help my sisters and brothers in encountering posts by BoL and theefaith is that they adhere to the declaration, the finding, by the Council of Trent. Which decreed anyone who holds to any or all of the five Solas, including Sola Scriptura, are cursed (anathema)! ~The Council of Trent - Session 6~

It is fear of the curse that causes Catholics to hold to the CoT's finding in all matters.

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, even he who is in heaven.

God's command in Deuteronomy does not have an expiration date. What Does the Bible Say About Dont Change Gods Word?
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 4 - New American Standard Bible

2 Peter 1:20-21
Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation.For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Brakelite]

I'm not a Jesuit. I'm not even a priest - and only a priest can be a Jesuit because the Society of Jesus is a priestly order.

Anyway - I think you're a little angry because I asked for Scriptural proof of Sola Scriptura - and so far, you've all failed.

Lol me angry? I'm not the one shouting at everyone. And I didn't fail. I gave you some scriptures (could have been more) that show the word of God as the source of truth...I am the Truth, Jesus said. And what is written in the prophets and the law, the gospels and the rest of the NT, is Truth, because all scripture is about Jesus.
"To the law and the testimony. If they speak not according to this word, there is no light in them. " Isaiah 8:20.

 

[Brakelite]

I'm not a Jesuit. I'm not even a priest - and only a priest can be a Jesuit because the Society of Jesus is a priestly order.

Anyway - I think you're a little angry because I asked for Scriptural proof of Sola Scriptura - and so far, you've all failed.

I didn't say you were a Jesuit. And I know what a Jesuit is. I said your response was a Jesuit response. You see scripture clear and plainly offered, and you deny the obvious. What is white you call black. What is black you declare white. Blind subservient slavery to a system of imprisonment that demands everyone believe the church as a final authority in direct opposition to the plain words of the Most High.

 

[Illuminator]

At this point I think what may help my sisters and brothers in encountering posts by BoL and theefaith is that they adhere to the declaration, the finding, by the Council of Trent. Which decreed anyone who holds to any or all of the five Solas, including Sola Scriptura, are cursed (anathema)! ~The Council of Trent - Session 6~

Total nonsense. Grace alone and Christ alone was borrowed wholesale from the Catholic Church which continues to teach them.
Anathema does not mean cursed, it follows St. Paul's example which means cut off. Misrepresenting the Council of Trent is classic radical reformism. Vatican II reformulated the CofT which you know nothing about, and the Church hasn't used the word "anathema" for 200 years. You are locked into 16th century argumentation, avoid recent encyclicals because you can't handle the needed development and refuse to grow up.