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Bobby Jo
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Careful @lforrest, -- Hannity is not part of the FOX News kool-aid; and neither is Levin, and possibly Steven Hilton. So let's not allow "FOX News" off the hook until they make a public confession and APOLOGY for what they did to our President and our fellow Citizens!
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Bobby Jo
Act 77 issue was dismissed by the court. Paying for voting machines is no crime.
Yes nutcases invent issues but that is it. It is not fake news to audit the voting machines. That was my point. Everyone is not lying.
I am happy to accept facts but not legal suits that fail in court. Proven cases ok, because innocent until proven guilty is the justice concept
God bless you
Do you even understand what these corrupt and venal judges are up to? They are bound and determined to look the other way and allow outright and massive fraud to go unpunished. The suits have not failed in court. It is the judges who have failed to honor and uphold their oaths of office, and the whole bunch should be impeached. As Michael Flynn has petitioned Trump, it is time for him to declare martial law and take control of this untenable situation for the sake of the Republic. If Trump does not listen, it will be a major disaster for America.
Correct. Hannity is the exception. Fox News is finished. And in any event this is too little and too late.
Fox News's betrayal — there's a question hanging in the air ..
@Enoch111 You mean, people pick and choose the judges and courts that they obey, if their favoured candidate did not win?
It seems to me that the courts are the proper place to establish whether there has been fraud. Setting aside courts altogether would seem to be a form of anarchy.
(But don't ask me; I'm only Canadian, with I suppose certain presuppositions about the rule of law.)
Do you not realise what judges do? They are there to judge points of law passed by the legislative bodies that made the law.
This is a compromise. So if I see a murderer murder someone, they are only found guilty if evidence can be shown to convince a judge and jury.
Now I can know for a fact because I saw it that this murder took place, but it is not socially acceptable until it is proven.
So with this limitation you need to cross the boundaries of a point of law and proof.
Though one may feel that this is injustice, it is the limitation of what justice is and fairness.
Before we had this system it was the ducking pool, and drowning or trial by torture.
This process defined truth by the prosecutor and was just insane. So within the limitations of the law, we have to stay.
I have looked at the points in the cases and clearly it is a problem of the law not covering enough issues relating to computer counted ballots and legislating for failures and oversight, for instance in jams causing rescanning of the same ballots so they are counted twice. Now maybe the software copes with this, maybe not, but it is a classic process failure that can cause the election numbers to be off. Because of the legal oversight controls in the election process, it takes time to work through these issues. Unfortunately the Trump camp want to make this a light and darkness issue, which often indicates the exact opposite, and where institutions have to resist these nutcases.
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Ziggy
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In the first comprehensive accounting of judicial misconduct nationally, Reuters reviewed 1,509 cases from the last dozen years – 2008 through 2019 – in which judges resigned, retired or were publicly disciplined following accusations of misconduct. In addition, reporters identified another 3,613 cases from 2008 through 2018 in which states disciplined wayward judges but kept hidden from the public key details of their offenses – including the identities of the judges themselves.
All told, 9 of every 10 judges were allowed to return to the bench after they were sanctioned for misconduct, Reuters determined. They included a California judge who had sex in his courthouse chambers, once with his former law intern and separately with an attorney; a New York judge who berated domestic violence victims; and a Maryland judge who, after his arrest for driving drunk, was allowed to return to the bench provided he took a Breathalyzer test before each appearance.
The news agency’s findings reveal an “excessively” forgiving judicial disciplinary system, said Stephen Gillers, a law professor at New York University who writes about judicial ethics. Although punishment short of removal from the bench is appropriate for most misconduct cases, Gillers said, the public “would be appalled at some of the lenient treatment judges get” for substantial transgressions.
Among the cases from the past year alone:
In Utah, a judge texted a video of a man’s scrotum to court clerks. He was reprimanded but remains on the bench.
In Indiana, three judges attending a conference last spring got drunk and sparked a 3 a.m. brawl outside a White Castle fast-food restaurant that ended with two of the judges shot. Although the state supreme court found the three judges had “discredited the entire Indiana judiciary,” each returned to the bench after a suspension.
In Texas, a judge burst in on jurors deliberating the case of a woman charged with sex trafficking and declared that God told him the defendant was innocent. The offending judge received a warning and returned to the bench. The defendant was convicted after a new judge took over the case.
“There are certain things where there should be a level of zero tolerance,” the jury foreman, Mark House, told Reuters. The judge should have been fined, House said, and kicked off the bench. “There is no justice, because he is still doing his job.”
Judicial misconduct specialists say such behavior has the potential to erode trust in America’s courts and, absent tough consequences, could give judges license to behave with impunity.
“When you see cases like that, the public starts to wonder about the integrity and honesty of the system,” said Steve Scheckman, a lawyer who directed Louisiana’s oversight agency and served as deputy director of New York’s. “It looks like a good ol’ boys club.”
That’s how local lawyers viewed the case of a longtime Alabama judge who concurrently served on the state’s judicial oversight commission. The judge, Cullman District Court’s Kim Chaney, remained on the bench for three years after being accused of violating the same nepotism rules he was tasked with enforcing on the oversight commission. In at least 200 cases, court records show, Judge Chaney chose his own son to serve as a court-appointed defense lawyer for the indigent, enabling the younger Chaney to earn at least $105,000 in fees over two years.
In February, months after Reuters repeatedly asked Chaney and the state judicial commission about those cases, he retired from the bench as part of a deal with state authorities to end the investigation.
Tommy Drake, the lawyer who first filed a complaint against Chaney in 2016, said he doubts the judge would have been forced from the bench if Reuters hadn’t examined the case.
“You know the only reason they did anything about Chaney is because you guys started asking questions,” Drake said. “Otherwise, he’d still be there.”
June 30, 2020
Special Report: Thousands of U.S. judges who broke laws, oaths remained on the bench
All told, 9 of every 10 judges were allowed to return to the bench after they were sanctioned for misconduct, Reuters determined. They included a California judge who had sex in his courthouse chambers, once with his former law intern and separately with an attorney; a New York judge who berated domestic violence victims; and a Maryland judge who, after his arrest for driving drunk, was allowed to return to the bench provided he took a Breathalyzer test before each appearance.
The news agency’s findings reveal an “excessively” forgiving judicial disciplinary system, said Stephen Gillers, a law professor at New York University who writes about judicial ethics. Although punishment short of removal from the bench is appropriate for most misconduct cases, Gillers said, the public “would be appalled at some of the lenient treatment judges get” for substantial transgressions.
Among the cases from the past year alone:
In Utah, a judge texted a video of a man’s scrotum to court clerks. He was reprimanded but remains on the bench.
In Indiana, three judges attending a conference last spring got drunk and sparked a 3 a.m. brawl outside a White Castle fast-food restaurant that ended with two of the judges shot. Although the state supreme court found the three judges had “discredited the entire Indiana judiciary,” each returned to the bench after a suspension.
In Texas, a judge burst in on jurors deliberating the case of a woman charged with sex trafficking and declared that God told him the defendant was innocent. The offending judge received a warning and returned to the bench. The defendant was convicted after a new judge took over the case.
“There are certain things where there should be a level of zero tolerance,” the jury foreman, Mark House, told Reuters. The judge should have been fined, House said, and kicked off the bench. “There is no justice, because he is still doing his job.”
Judicial misconduct specialists say such behavior has the potential to erode trust in America’s courts and, absent tough consequences, could give judges license to behave with impunity.
“When you see cases like that, the public starts to wonder about the integrity and honesty of the system,” said Steve Scheckman, a lawyer who directed Louisiana’s oversight agency and served as deputy director of New York’s. “It looks like a good ol’ boys club.”
That’s how local lawyers viewed the case of a longtime Alabama judge who concurrently served on the state’s judicial oversight commission. The judge, Cullman District Court’s Kim Chaney, remained on the bench for three years after being accused of violating the same nepotism rules he was tasked with enforcing on the oversight commission. In at least 200 cases, court records show, Judge Chaney chose his own son to serve as a court-appointed defense lawyer for the indigent, enabling the younger Chaney to earn at least $105,000 in fees over two years.
In February, months after Reuters repeatedly asked Chaney and the state judicial commission about those cases, he retired from the bench as part of a deal with state authorities to end the investigation.
Tommy Drake, the lawyer who first filed a complaint against Chaney in 2016, said he doubts the judge would have been forced from the bench if Reuters hadn’t examined the case.
“You know the only reason they did anything about Chaney is because you guys started asking questions,” Drake said. “Otherwise, he’d still be there.”
June 30, 2020
Special Report: Thousands of U.S. judges who broke laws, oaths remained on the bench
Grailhunter
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Ziggy, you better be careful...people will start calling you Councillor.
The more you look into it, the more you realize that justice and accountability has a lot to do with clicks and wealth.
Ziggy
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Lot of bribery..
I saw what you did, we have it on camera/tape.. play the game or you go down.
Either lose your seat or end up in a bodybag.
Lot of these judges over the last 40 years been groomed for times like these.
One thing I am thankful to Obama for is, he left so many vacant seats they thought Hillary was going to fill.
Loretta Lynch on the Supreme court.. That little meeting on the tarmac with Billy boy was going to take care of that.
RBG holding on, just waiting for Trump to get impeached so she could retire gracefully and have her seat hand selected by the next Democrat President.
So much nasty nasty stuff going on...
ssshhhhh..
it's a secret..
not anymore.
Hugs
No. The point is not to set courts aside but to ensure that judges apply the law impartially as well as according to the rule of law -- not on their personal preferences. Check out the persecution of Michael Flynn to see what I am talking about. Obama-appointed judges have overturned the justice system.
Brakelite
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You are living in a bubble. Judges in the US at least, are not all that honest and truthful. In fact most are squeamish to stand tall and alone for the truth and justice these days. They want to look politically on the 'right' side. And besides, many have favors to make; they owe others more powerful people than they. In short they are crooked. Take this latest action of a State Judge.
The State Judge in Nevada for example that threw out the overturning of votes in favor of Trump last Friday, said even BEFORE the case was heard, that he knew the case will go to the Supreme Court. It was an intentional, go-through the motions of imitating a resemblance, that law and justice was being served. Then the judge pronounced his verdict and reasoning for it. It was a decision against the Trump team that was unforgivable and unjustified although expected. It was a bar to high to ever meet. It was intentionally done.
He said that the Trump team could not even produce a name of a voter and their actions that produced fraud. Now any thinking person would know by now that no voter is going to advertise they are going to commit election voting fraud with a video to be placed on U Tube, date stamped and signed. Or someone goes to a voting station and tells others around him/her and says, 'I just voted 3 times and I got away with it.' It is nearly impossible to get a name of a cheater AND also have a video of actually showing how someone clearly committed this fraud. And then, even with this evidence in hand, it is usually disputed or ignored.
When is evidence not evidence? To some in this case and this Judge's view, never!! No evidence would suffice for him. He planned on tossing the case out before it even started.
As the Trump lawyer said, if this is the standard to show fraud then it will never be done and this fraud will definitely be repeated. The standard is not realistic and unattainable.
This fraud was a systematic, pre-planned and coordinated fraud mostly done NOT by any particular voter with a known name with a video in hand of this fraud. The judge already knew this going into the hearing of the case. His credibility was surely shot, by any rational and honest unbiased viewer, at least.
No, justice is not necessarily served just because we are in a courtroom, with bailiffs, recorders, a jury, and counselors, and the accused, and with a person in a high seated chair position, with a name sign planted in full view of him/her, that says, Judge so and so. Do you really think that judges and their serving of justice is always blind, without their deliberate and crooked biases impregnated into it, that takes the blind fold off?
Is this what most Canadians think, that all judges serve true justice? I think not!
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Yes, the article is a nice consolidation of some of the loose facts already known..it hits home loudly
Like the article says in one section, "How in the world can you win the presidency by losing more than 80 percent of the counties in the entire country?"
Biden did.....
We do desperately need to get justice and fairness instilled into our voting system once again, where all can have confidence in it again. Else, the stench and rot of crooked voting in this country, the cancer, it will continue to thrive, and be more incentivized, and surely increase to even a high level if that can be imagined or be possible.....
How do we get justice and the law to even look into all this? Has the crud of evil become too embedded in our institutions to where there is no Constitutional and honest judge around anymore? Does anyone care anymore. It makes you wonder...
Bobby Jo
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I disagree. -- That's like giving up on Lazarus, or giving up on Jesus and going fishing.
Have Faith in GOD.
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