The betrayal of America and its consequences

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes just as it was gods will to put Hitler into power and Stalin to power ? no it was not Gods will at all.

Have a look at the whole history of the world, was it all your gods will ?

Just look at the stupidity of the case of the 6 million Jews that were killed, was it Gods will ? or was it the will of the so called Zionist created by the Rothschild's and Co and the regurgitated as a Holocaust by the MSM and Government dribble, then everyone who knows what a Holocaust truly means knows such is A burnt offering to a god ? what god ! is that one could ask is it Moloch ? looks very much so, as the shoe fits, if one understands the OT story's, not to mention that the Jews had a group who crept in ? and remember the Golden Calf mob ? well if one does not have a handle on such as them story's then one is not worthy of God.

Anyone who claims that the 6 million Jews was A burnt offering to God is a Satanist in fact. in fact it's the Satanist who claim that such is a burnt offering to their gods. how they must laugh at the way they have fooled the majority to see it from their point of view.
No it was Genocide in fact ! they were killed because them Jews were a threat to Rothschild's so called Zionist creation, because them devout Jews would expose them for being false Zion in fact.
There are millions of us Jews who reject the so called Zionist dominating over all Jews, but your MSM hides the facts that millions of Jews have marched against the so called Zionist creeps.

Then you do not believe the bible!

Daniel 2:21
King James Version

21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake."
Romans 13:1-5, KJV

"Lift not up your horn on high: speak not with a stiff neck. For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another."
Psalms 75:5-7, KJV

"I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me."
Jeremiah 27:5, KJV

"The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will."
Proverbs 21:1, KJV

Was it Gods Perfect will? Of course not!
Was it Gods permissive will? In that nothing can happen without He allowing it? Yes it was! Why did He allow it? I can give you opinions but how right they are I don't know.

But this is the first I ever heard of this burnt offering nonsense.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I asked in another thread if someone would look over this video. It's about 20 minutes long.
Something about a "New California and a "New Arizona" .. i think arizona..
something about succession of the states either adding 2 new ones or the breaking up the states?
Is this why the SCOTUS decision was turned down or is it something different?
Starting around 3 min.. to avoid the ads.
Maybe someone help me understand it..
Thank You

Okay basically in the history of the UNITED States each state had to choose whether to join the UNION or not. All states eventually joined and this is where The UNITED States came about. Now with the joining of the union it was also provided that at any time a state can succeed from the union and form it's own government of laws and no longer be bound by the laws of the union.
So New California and New Nevada are basically doing just that. They are succeeding from their own states government and creating a new state. Whether it will be recognized as a state is where I lack understanding on...
Texas and Oklahoma threatened to succeed under Obama and both states are rich in resources by which they can financially remain independent of the federal government.

 

[Ziggy]

Okay basically in the history of the UNITED States each state had to choose whether to join the UNION or not. All states eventually joined and this is where The UNITED States came about. Now with the joining of the union it was also provided that at any time a state can succeed from the union and form it's own government of laws and no longer be bound by the laws of the union.
So New California and New Nevada are basically doing just that. They are succeeding from their own states government and creating a new state. Whether it will be recognized as a state is where I lack understanding on...
Texas and Oklahoma threatened to succeed under Obama and both states are rich in resources by which they can financially remain independent of the federal government.

Wouldn't there have to be some kind of vote from all the other States of whether they wanted to break up the union?
Ratified or something?

I don't know. All I know is everytime SCOTUS turns something down, it opens a new door for much bigger things.
We are in the middle of the Storm..
And it is always darkest before the dawn.
No worries
Hugs

 

[BarneyFife]

An year ago, no one could have dreamed that within a matter of 12 months, America would be totally demolished. But that is exactly what happened with COVID-19, BLM, Antifa, and finally massive election fraud in at least four states.

This is what psychologists call distorted thought arising from magnified self-talk.

But when the rule of law and simple justice are rejected by the highest court in the land, it means that law abiding citizens are left with absolutely no recourse, other than armed rebellion or submission to tyranny.

This is called thinly-veiled incitement of treason.

so that Joe will simply be pushed aside and Harris -- a committed Marxist -- will become the president, and then systematically destroy everything that means anything to freedom-loving, law-abiding citizens.

So when is America destroyed? 12 months from a year ago or after Harris ascends the throne. I'm not sure you can have it both ways. I'm betting on neither.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Wouldn't there have to be some kind of vote from all the other States of whether they wanted to break up the union?
Ratified or something?

I don't know. All I know is everytime SCOTUS turns something down, it opens a new door for much bigger things.
We are in the middle of the Storm..
And it is always darkest before the dawn.
No worries
Hugs

No...each state is independent of each other as a government. That's why there are different laws from state to state. Oklahoma for example was one of the last states to finally legalize gambling.
Drinking age is 18 in one state 21 in another...see what I mean?

 

[BarneyFife]

Okay basically in the history of the UNITED States each state had to choose whether to join the UNION or not. All states eventually joined and this is where The UNITED States came about. Now with the joining of the union it was also provided that at any time a state can succeed from the union and form it's own government of laws and no longer be bound by the laws of the union.
So New California and New Nevada are basically doing just that. They are succeeding from their own states government and creating a new state. Whether it will be recognized as a state is where I lack understanding on...
Texas and Oklahoma threatened to succeed under Obama and both states are rich in resources by which they can financially remain independent of the federal government.

My wife, who (for what it's worth) has 2 law degrees, says that states cannot just unilaterally secede from the union. There is a process but it involves mutual agreement and a 3/4 U.S. house vote, a precedent set by the 1868 SCOTUS ruling in the matter of Texas v. White. In other words: It's a rough row to hoe.

Could States Really Secede from the Union?

 

[amadeus]

All the facts we truly need are in the Bible.

Yes, the flesh of our Lord, but if we do not also drink His blood, where is the Life?

 

[amadeus]

My wife, who (for what it's worth) has 2 law degrees, says that states cannot just unilaterally secede from the union. There is a process but it involves mutual agreement and a 3/4 U.S. house vote, a precedent set by the 1868 SCOTUS ruling in the matter of Texas v. White. In other words: It's a rough row to hoe.

Could States Really Secede from the Union?

No matter the law actually says consider the possibilities without strict attention to the law. Was it legal under the laws the Great Britain for a colony to declare its independence from the laws of Great Britain? What did it finally take for Great Britain to recognize the United States as an independent nation?

 

[BarneyFife]

No matter the law actually says consider the possibilities without strict attention to the law. Was it legal under the laws the Great Britain for a colony to declare its independence from the laws of Great Britain? What did it finally take for Great Britain to recognize the United States as an independent nation?

Americans don't have the stomach for revolution anymore. We love our gadgets too much.

 

[amadeus]

Americans don't have the stomach for revolution anymore. We love our gadgets too much.

I really wish I could say you were wrong. Americans for the most part, I believe, are getting exactly what they have asked for...but they don't understand what that means to God or to themselves. Many may speak the name of Jesus but they actually closer in line behind the way of Superman. What is the American way? What is God's Way? They are a far cry these days from being equal... as I see it.

 

[historyb]

I’ve been asked a similar question before on here. What if your husband and you are walking in a dark alley and a man attacks, rapes you and is going to kill you. Should your husband stand by and just pray? Didn’t have an answer then, don’t have one now. Only asked you if they should have fought for him and you answered. Must have been crushing on their pride to stand there and only watch...

I know you didn't ask me; However, my answer is I will kill the guy and there would e no where he could hide.

 

[historyb]

Americans don't have the stomach for revolution anymore. We love our gadgets too much.

Yep, most Americans have become cowards

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Then you do not believe the bible!

Daniel 2:21
King James Version

21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake."
Romans 13:1-5, KJV

"Lift not up your horn on high: speak not with a stiff neck. For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another."
Psalms 75:5-7, KJV

"I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me."
Jeremiah 27:5, KJV

"The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will."
Proverbs 21:1, KJV

Was it Gods Perfect will? Of course not!
Was it Gods permissive will? In that nothing can happen without He allowing it? Yes it was! Why did He allow it? I can give you opinions but how right they are I don't know.

But this is the first I ever heard of this burnt offering nonsense.

Ok you support Hitler and the Communist and all that they did right.
No ! you have in fact.

What you have put forward is rubbish and out of context.

I know some so called Christians like one up the road who babble on with killing and saying that they are saved regardless of who they kill or do regardless, he supports the Jews for Jesus mob and the so called State of Israel. he wants to create havoc and blood shed and then when they have created the hellfire then he will be raptured up, he will not go through the hellfire he claims? well as far as I know one reaps what they sow ? so if you do the work of the Anti-Christ you are of the Anti-Christ, not to mention Jesus will say to them that he never knew them, remember what Jesus said of who were they are, of their Father of Lies and who were murders from the beginning.

Don't abide in any such evil regardless.

Ignorance is no excuse. you will pay for every sin down to the last cent before one enters Heaven. so do not support evil men like you are doing blindly without any regard.

Remember that this world is of the Devil. and Jesus world is of the Kingdom of God. one must truly be born again to enter into the Kingdom of God and remember the list of who can not enter the Kingdom of God, such is a fact as the others can not enter, because they are of this world.

 

[Enoch111]

Yep, most Americans have become cowards

And anyone trying to defend the despicable actions of the Supreme Court is also a coward.

Supreme Court cowards
Exclusive: Michael Master says SCOTUS has rewarded cheating, mob rule, lies & media bias

By Michael Master

Dec. 11, 2020, will be known as the day the U.S. Supreme Court shirked its responsibility to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States. It ruled that the plaintive (Texas plus 19 other states) had no standing in the enforcement of the contract (the Constitution) concerning election procedures in four other states (Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania) even though all 50 states are the principles to that contract.

The Supreme Court punted its responsibility. It ignored Article III, Section 2, of that contract, which states: "The Judicial Power shall extend … to Controversies between two or more States; … In all Cases affecting … those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction."

"Original jurisdiction" allows the Supreme Court to look at all evidence instead of just the application of law as an appellate court. By declaring a lack of standing, the Supreme Court will not look at the evidence at all.

By its ruling, the Supreme Court and the rulings of lower courts refused to address election fraud in the 2020 election, including:

• changes to election procedures in violation to the Constitution;
• ballot harvesting;
• ballot destruction;
• more votes than registered voters in several precincts;
• blatant vote switching by machine software;
• electronic ballot box stuffing;
• simultaneous suspension of vote counting in the dead of night in five states controlled by Democrats in three different time zones when Trump was significantly ahead in each, resuming three hours later with Biden then ahead in each;
• acceptance of ballots that did not meet election requirements and co-mingling those ballots with other ballots so they could not be singled out for review; and
• statistically unbelievable vote counts where Trump received fewer than 1% of the votes.

The Supreme Court and lower courts rewarded the philosophies of the left, deep state, communists and American oligarchs that might makes right and that the end justifies the means.

The courts rewarded cheating, riots as extortion, mob rule, lies, media bias and the use of the virus from China as justification to deviate from defined legislative election processes. The ramifications of this will stretch well into the future … might makes right; the end justifies the means. The rule of law is dead.

Those actions of election fraud were criminal, not just violations of the contract between the states. So who is investigating those criminal actions? Since the ones who committed the criminal acts are the ones who should be investigating them, who will be doing the investigations?

The whole world is watching and now understands that America's deep state interferes in elections, even its own elections, and that the U.S. does not have the resolve to fix it. It sees that our courts are powerless to enforce the rule of law against American oligarchs and the deep state, so they look for loopholes like "standing" to get them off the hook.

They are cowards at best and part of the deep state at worst, officials who cannot be trusted to "protect and defend" the interests of we the people as articulated in the U.S. Constitution.

Supreme Court cowards

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ok you support Hitler and the Communist and all that they did right.
No ! you have in fact.

What you have put forward is rubbish and out of context.

I know some so called Christians like one up the road who babble on with killing and saying that they are saved regardless of who they kill or do regardless, he supports the Jews for Jesus mob and the so called State of Israel. he wants to create havoc and blood shed and then when they have created the hellfire then he will be raptured up, he will not go through the hellfire he claims? well as far as I know one reaps what they sow ? so if you do the work of the Anti-Christ you are of the Anti-Christ, not to mention Jesus will say to them that he never knew them, remember what Jesus said of who were they are, of their Father of Lies and who were murders from the beginning.

Don't abide in any such evil regardless.

Ignorance is no excuse. you will pay for every sin down to the last cent before one enters Heaven. so do not support evil men like you are doing blindly without any regard.

Remember that this world is of the Devil. and Jesus world is of the Kingdom of God. one must truly be born again to enter into the Kingdom of God and remember the list of who can not enter the Kingdom of God, such is a fact as the others can not enter, because they are of this world.

I never said I supported Hitler and Stalin or Mao or any grutal dictators. I only showed none of them can rule without Gods approval!

Your long paragraph is a hate filled vindictive that should be taken out with the trash! I don't know this neighbor you speak of, so I cannot attest to your accusations against them. But even if everything you say is true- they are wrong and your heart attitude is just as wrong as they are wrong!

To say that I support evil men (which I don't) shows that you are quick to judge and condemn without even seeking more information.

And you "Ignorance" line deeply worries me. I will not pay for even the tiniest of my sins. why? Because Jesus paid for every single one of my sins at teh cross. The blood He shed wiped all of my sins off the map forever! That is not a license to sin, but to learn to live righteously!

Just because God will not let anyone ascend to power without His approval does not mean God nor I endorse evil. We only see less than speck of what God sees and knows. He does all things according to the counsel of His will, not our approval! Would I do things differently as per Hitler and Stalin? Yeah, but I am just a puff of dust and not Almighty God! Though I don't understand why he allows such evil men to reign and rule, I trust He knows what he is doing. Nothng in the universe can happen without God allowing it. And if He allows it, it will serve His will and purposes even if arrogant men do not understand why.

 

[Ziggy]

Deu 17:14 When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;
Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.

Deu 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
Deu 28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.

Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Deu 28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

God gives us the ability to make our own mistakes. That includes electing bad people to rule over us.
There are consequences to those choices.
Surely if we are follish enough to place leaders over us that don't have our good in mind, and only their own belly,
then God will allow our choices.

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

If they become too oppressive or the people cry enough for help, then God is merciful and just to bring them down and humble them.
And then we get to choose again and again and again.. sometimes good, sometimes bad.
But God has given us the authority to choose.

To say that God will not allow an evil person to rule over us, is to take away the very authority God gave to man to choose.
Does God allow us to make stupid mistakes? Yes he does. And we end up lying in the bed we make.
Does God approve of all of our choices? If he did, probably there would be no wars or pain or suffering.
No, I don't think God approves of a lot of the things we do. But our God is full of grace and merciful.
And forgiving and loving. And always willing to save.

Question is, when an evil ruler rules what should we do?
Revolt? Dethrone? Submit? Obey even if it opposes God?

You be respectful, but stand your ground for what you know is right.
And PRAY and ask God for forgiveness for our wrong choices that we make.
And perhaps God will hear us and send us and give us a pardon.
Remove the curse we put upon ourselves and give us a blessing by sending one He has chosen for us.

Ye shall know them by their fruit.
One will give and one will steal.
One will build the other will tear down.
One will love and the other will hate.
One will raise the poor and the other will keep them down.
One will protect us and the other will sell us out.

The choice is ours to win or lose.
Amen

Hugs

 

[Addy]

Just because God will not let anyone ascend to power without His approval does not mean God nor I endorse evil. We only see less than speck of what God sees and knows. He does all things according to the counsel of His will, not our approval! Would I do things differently as per Hitler and Stalin? Yeah, but I am just a puff of dust and not Almighty God! Though I don't understand why he allows such evil men to reign and rule, I trust He knows what he is doing. Nothng in the universe can happen without God allowing it. And if He allows it, it will serve His will and purposes even if arrogant men do not understand why.

And I think this touches on a big problem... People seem to think that they absolutely KNOW what God wants... and what HE is doing... forgetting that we only see less than a speck of what God is doing. The evangelical pastors and prophets have dared to walk boldly to this land of KNOWING.

 

[FollowHim]

I really wish I could say you were wrong. Americans for the most part, I believe, are getting exactly what they have asked for...but they don't understand what that means to God or to themselves. Many may speak the name of Jesus but they actually closer in line behind the way of Superman. What is the American way? What is God's Way? They are a far cry these days from being equal... as I see it.

Kenneth Copland and the prosperity gospel, throwing out a righteous walk and repentance.
What is called Christian today is often heretical prophecies mixed in with spiritualism, wishful thinking and the belief they will rule on earth in the millenium kingdom they are ushering in. Little do they realise they are ushering in abandoning of churches and great persecution.

If you want to label nutcases for Jesus, the crowd around Trump are it. Forget about legal process, God has said he is will win, so he will win.

The funny thing with winning it can range from "he won" but is ignored to "he won" through a coup.
There is a cognitive disonance affect where being President means whatever you declare is true, even when most of what you say is not.
If one had confidence in an election procedure, discover failure, which leads to doubt over the election result you say there is fraud.
Saying there is fraud before the election starts, literally destroys your credibility whether in the end, there maybe a problem.

Little wonder the supreme court looked for any reason to dismiss the Texas case, because whatever they do it will not be enough, so the less the better. Trump wanted a court founded on law and evidence to rule with hearsay and political influence. That is just stupid.

I have a prophecy, "Jesus is Lord" "Listen to Him"
People want justice, yet Jesus who came to Israel occupied by the Romans, with slavery and the Jewish nation wanting revolution and said, "Seek first the Kingdom of God" "Do not resist the evil man" This is Gods word today as it was then.

Whatever this political movement is, it is not provided by Jesus and His word.

God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

Deu 17:14 When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;
Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.

Deu 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
Deu 28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.

Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Deu 28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

God gives us the ability to make our own mistakes. That includes electing bad people to rule over us.
There are consequences to those choices.
Surely if we are follish enough to place leaders over us that don't have our good in mind, and only their own belly,
then God will allow our choices.

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

If they become too oppressive or the people cry enough for help, then God is merciful and just to bring them down and humble them.
And then we get to choose again and again and again.. sometimes good, sometimes bad.
But God has given us the authority to choose.

To say that God will not allow an evil person to rule over us, is to take away the very authority God gave to man to choose.
Does God allow us to make stupid mistakes? Yes he does. And we end up lying in the bed we make.
Does God approve of all of our choices? If he did, probably there would be no wars or pain or suffering.
No, I don't think God approves of a lot of the things we do. But our God is full of grace and merciful.
And forgiving and loving. And always willing to save.

Question is, when an evil ruler rules what should we do?
Revolt? Dethrone? Submit? Obey even if it opposes God?

You be respectful, but stand your ground for what you know is right.
And PRAY and ask God for forgiveness for our wrong choices that we make.
And perhaps God will hear us and send us and give us a pardon.
Remove the curse we put upon ourselves and give us a blessing by sending one He has chosen for us.

Ye shall know them by their fruit.
One will give and one will steal.
One will build the other will tear down.
One will love and the other will hate.
One will raise the poor and the other will keep them down.
One will protect us and the other will sell us out.

The choice is ours to win or lose.
Amen

Hugs

Just to clarify, is this follow Trump thats following God, Biden that following the world?

 

[Ziggy]

Just to clarify, is this follow Trump thats following God, Biden that following the world?

GEE, I didn't say that.
Must be YOU SEE IT TOO..
IMAGINE THAT..

I'm getting tired of this:
"If you want to label nutcases for Jesus, the crowd around Trump are it"