The attack of satan on the gospel that I preach.

[justbyfaith]

It goes to show that the devil can use people who mean well but who have been incorrectly taught.

A member of this forum (sorry not allowed to specifically address issues about another member publicly to shame them; even though he has sought to publicly shame me by calling my gospel "FALSE and PERVERTED" and this rule applies apparently only to me but not to that other person)...has come on the record as saying that the gospel that I preach is a "FALSE and PERVERTED" gospel.

Let me say that the burden of proof is on him since he has made this accusation (I originally intended for him to respond but apparently it is against the rules to mention certain folks by name).

It started when he challenged anyone to show biblically how it might be taught that repentance is a requirement for salvation; and he would give them $1,000 if they could show this from the Bible.

I responded with Ezekiel 33:11-20; which does indeed prove him wrong: and from there, instead of giving the promised reward of $1,000, he rewarded me instead with a blot on my name as a teacher.

Pro 9:7, He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.

The fact that the scripture in question shows that repentance is a requirement for salvation did not cause him to change his mind; instead, he doubled down and accused the person who proved him wrong of being a false teacher. After all, he could not have been wrong, from his perspective; he knows the Bible better than anyone else: because he has asked the Lord to send him to the best teachers in the world.

(Unfortunately, for him, they were the best Bible teachers in the world, not in the church!)

I will also present now as the proof text that repentance is needed for forgiveness, 2 Chronicles 7:14 and Ezekiel 33:19.

2Ch 7:14, If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Eze 33:19, But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.

The context of Ezekiel 33:19 is also of importance; for it shows more clearly the reality of the issue:

Eze 33:11, Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 33:12, Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Eze 33:13, When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Eze 33:14, Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Eze 33:15, If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 33:16, None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Eze 33:17, Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
Eze 33:18, When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
Eze 33:19, But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
Eze 33:20, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

Here it is clearly shown that if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he will die because of his iniquity; but if a wicked man turns from his iniquity and does what is lawful and right, he will even live thereby.

I don't know how the scriptures can be any clearer than this.

Some say, Ezekiel is in the Old Testament and therefore we ought not to heed it or pay attention to it. To which I have four things to say (A,B, C, and D):

A) All scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16)

B) Even in the New Testament the sentiment is repeated that one must repent in order to be saved (in Matthew 3, Luke 13:1-5, in Acts of the Apostles 2:38, Acts of the Apostles 3:19, Acts of the Apostles 17:30).

So, they say, that the term "repent" does not mean "away from sin" but "towards God".

To which I say, that

1) God is holy (1 Peter 1:15-16); and that to turn to God means to turn to holiness, which means away from unholiness or sin.

2) That the Old Testament has defined what repentance means; that it means to turn away from sin.

and, C) In Hebrews 10:26-31 we find a New Testament example of what it says so clearly in Ezekiel 33:11-20; it is a perfect repeat of the doctrine found in that passage.

and, D) The law and the prophets are not to be done away with (Matthew 5:17-20); but the law and the prophets testify to the righteousness of God that is within us apart from the law (Romans 3:21).

 

[justbyfaith]

I will say that what this member has done has been a hurtful thing; for he has called me a "Tare"

However, I know whom I have believed and I am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed to Him against that day.

It is a case of the tare calling the wheat a tare.

For in denying that repentance is a necessary part of the salvation process, this member has proved himself to be a "Tare".

It is a very sad thing indeed;

For not only does he preach a "FALSE and PERVERTED" gospel himself (for he has three fingers pointing back at him); but he harms the going forth of the true gospel as it is taught by me; which is not "FALSE and PERVERTED" but is the faithful and true gospel as it is presented in the word of the Lord.

So, he is hindering people from being saved through repentance and faith by coming against the true nature of the gospel that I preach, that one must repent in order to be saved.

For it is written that those who work iniquity will be cast into the furnace of fire (Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 13:41-42).

Since everyone is born dead in trespasses and sins, this means that men must repent of being workers of iniquity in order to not be cast into the furnace of fire.

They are not going to cease from being workers of iniquity unless and until they repent....that is, they must make a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, and hell and towards righteousness, life, and heaven.

Therefore it is indeed necessary that a man repent of his sins.

Whether this comes about as the result of knowing the grace of the Lord or as a catalyst for receiving the grace of the Lord is not the issue. The issue is that without repentance, a man continues to be a worker of iniquity and therefore will not be saved on his day of judgment unless he repents at some point during his lifetime; turning away from his wickedness and giving his heart in surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

And of course he must put his full trust in the shedding of Jesus' blood on the Cross to bring forgiveness;

not only justification (as per Romans 5:9)...but sanctification (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleansing from all sin (1 John 1:7).

For it is not possible that the blood of Jesus, when it is applied, will not perform all of its functions.

It is not going to justify and not also sanctify and cleanse the believer.

 

[Stumpmaster]

The fact that the scripture in question shows that repentance is a requirement for salvation did not cause him to change his mind; instead, he doubled down and accused the person who proved him wrong of being a false teacher. After all, he could not have been wrong, from his perspective; he knows the Bible better than anyone else: because he has asked the Lord to send him to the best teachers in the world.

(Unfortunately, for him, they were the best Bible teachers in the world, not in the church!)

Hi justbyfaith. These "shock jocks" like to come up with all sorts of contradictions to fundamental Biblical Theology. This particular disingenuous individual posts the same diatribes on other sites and gets real squirly when folk disagree with him.

As for repentance, it is definitely required for salvation. I have numerous passages that keep me aligned with God's Will on this issue:

Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act_3:19 Repent you therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act_8:22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent:
Act_26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Rom 2:3-5 (3) And think you this, O man, that judges them which do such things, and do the same, that you shall escape the judgment of God? (4) Or despise you the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? (5) But after your hardness and impenitent heart treasure up unto yourself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow works repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world works death.

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb 12:16-17 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. (17) For you know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

 

[quietthinker]

I will say that what this member has done has been a hurtful thing; for he has called me a "Tare"

However, I know whom I have believed and I am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed to Him against that day.

It is a case of the tare calling the wheat a tare.

For in denying that repentance is a necessary part of the salvation process, this member has proved himself to be a "Tare".

It is a very sad thing indeed;

For not only does he preach a "FALSE and PERVERTED" gospel himself (for he has three fingers pointing back at him); but he harms the going forth of the true gospel as it is taught by me; which is not "FALSE and PERVERTED" but is the faithful and true gospel as it is presented in the word of the Lord.

So, he is hindering people from being saved through repentance and faith by coming against the true nature of the gospel that I preach, that one must repent in order to be saved.

For it is written that those who work iniquity will be cast into the furnace of fire (Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 13:41-42).

Since everyone is born dead in trespasses and sins, this means that men must repent of being workers of iniquity in order to not be cast into the furnace of fire.

They are not going to cease from being workers of iniquity unless and until they repent....that is, they must make a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, and hell and towards righteousness, life, and heaven.

Therefore it is indeed necessary that a man repent of his sins.

Whether this comes about as the result of knowing the grace of the Lord or as a catalyst for receiving the grace of the Lord is not the issue. The issue is that without repentance, a man continues to be a worker of iniquity and therefore will not be saved on his day of judgment unless he repents at some point during his lifetime; turning away from his wickedness and giving his heart in surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

And of course he must put his full trust in the shedding of Jesus' blood on the Cross to bring forgiveness;

not only justification (as per Romans 5:9)...but sanctification (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleansing from all sin (1 John 1:7).

For it is not possible that the blood of Jesus, when it is applied, will not perform all of its functions.

It is not going to justify and not also sanctify and cleanse the believer.

toooooooo many words jbf. Self justification pours from them. That's gotta be saying something.....at least it does to me. The ability of self reflection and self honesty is helpful in times like this. Covet them!

 

[justbyfaith]

toooooooo many words jbf. Self justification pours from them. That's gotta be saying something.....at least it does to me. The ability of self reflection and self honesty is helpful in times like this. Covet them!

Yes; I suppose that I have been driven to foolishness by reason of his attack on me (see 2 Corinthians 11). I should have been commended by him; but instead, a blot.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hi justbyfaith. These "shock jocks" like to come up with all sorts of contradictions to fundamental Biblical Theology. This particular disingenuous individual posts the same diatribes on other sites and gets real squirly when folk disagree with him.

As for repentance, it is definitely required for salvation. I have numerous passages that keep me aligned with God's Will on this issue:

Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act_3:19 Repent you therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act_8:22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent:
Act_26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Rom 2:3-5 (3) And think you this, O man, that judges them which do such things, and do the same, that you shall escape the judgment of God? (4) Or despise you the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? (5) But after your hardness and impenitent heart treasure up unto yourself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow works repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world works death.

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb 12:16-17 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. (17) For you know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

None of these scriptures would move him; for he has re-defined repentance as being towards God but never away from sin.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@justbyfaith

If one will not be convinced by the whole of scripture, then posting long detailed posts to prove them wrong (however good) will also fail to convince them.

Which is why I try to keep my posts as short and concise as possible.

And, don’t take these things to heart my friend. Remember how all the saints and Christ himself were treated. At least no one is drawing you out of your home to stone you to death.

Don’t let the things written here bring you down. As long as you know God approves of your work based on His word, that should be enough comfort for us.

 

[mailmandan]

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

*Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost.*

2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[justbyfaith]

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

*Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost.*

2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Hi @mailmandan,

What does salvation mean to you, if not salvation from sin (Matthew 1:21, Titus 2:14)?

And also, how does the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ apply to hamartiology (the doctrine of sin) in the Bible?

Does not His resurrection apply to us in that the same power that raised Jesus from the dead, dwells in us? So, how would that affect our walk when it comes to responsibility over not being able to overcome besetting sins in our lives?

And, going backward, what about His death on the Cross? Does not His shed blood not only justify (as per Romans 5:9) but sanctify (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanse us from all sin (1 John 1:7, Psalms 51:7)?

Is it possible that it would be applied and not perform all of its functions?

Would it justify and not also sanctify and cleanse when it is applied to the sinner?

Food for thought.

 

[DPMartin]

justbyfaith

give it a rest. its not man's approval that should be your concern. if you stand with the truth then let it be so.

besides if someone is offering you money in a case like your OP then that should have been a sign of what to expect.

the scribes and the religious leadership of His day tried to tempt Jesus or goat Jesus even though they knew Jesus spoke the truth of God. its SOP with many who entertain themselves by aggravating and agitating others. also there is an effort to eliminate the influence of Christianity in western culture and the place to learn how to do that incognito would be a site like this one.

 

[Stumpmaster]

None of these scriptures would move him; for he has re-defined repentance as being towards God but never away from sin.

Illogical to say the least. Turning away from sin is implicit if turning to God is the action. Keep up the good work, justbyfaith.

 

[Enoch111]

It started when he challenged anyone to show biblically how it might be taught that repentance is a requirement for salvation...

Obviously this person had a false gospel. Repentance is indeed necessary for salvation (Acts 2:38; 3:19).

 

[DNB]

It goes to show that the devil can use people who mean well but who have been incorrectly taught.

You're sounding too defensive, over dramatic, and, like your opponent, self-righteous.
Obviously, the main fundament of Christian Theology is God's abhorrence of sin, and man' s need to extricate himself from the innumerable transgressions that he has committed against God. Repentance is compulsory! Without contrition, there is no honour to God - no recognition of offense.

But, as usual JBF, you are taking the stance that no matter what anyone else says, you are correct. And you get rather mellow-dramatic by equating all the dynamics that occur in your debates, as involvements from the devil or God. You need to appreciate the fact that you are not necessarily the apostle sent by God, nor that all your views are correct, nor that all who oppose you are inspired by the devil.

But, in this particular case, like DPMartin said, if someone is offering a substantial amount of money, (not to mention, on a site where everyone is incognito), then that should've warned you of the irrationality of this person.

 

[justbyfaith]

You're sounding too defensive, over dramatic, and, like your opponent, self-righteous.
Obviously, the main fundament of Christian Theology is God's abhorrence of sin, and man' s need to extricate himself from the innumerable transgressions that he has committed against God. Repentance is compulsory! Without contrition, there is no honour to God - no recognition of offense.

But, as usual JBF, you are taking the stance that no matter what anyone else says, you are correct. And you get rather mellow-dramatic by equating all the dynamics that occur in your debates, as involvements from the devil or God. You need to appreciate the fact that you are not necessarily the apostle sent by God, nor that all your views are correct, nor that all who oppose you are inspired by the devil.

But, in this particular case, like DPMartin said, if someone is offering a substantial amount of money, (not to mention, on a site where everyone is incognito), then that should've warned you of the irrationality of this person.

@DNB,

It is not that I was, in particular, saying that this man is of the devil because he opposes me; but I am saying that the devil is the accuser of the brethren and that this is how he uses people...by using them to slander those who bear the truth.

If I believe that I have the truth it is only because I have studied to shew myself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I am not going to say that I think that I have a perfect handle on the truth or that every word that comes off of my keyboard is from the Holy Ghost (although it is always my prayer that such would be the case); but I will say that I believe that I have knowledge of what is written in the kjv of the Bible and that if you believe that the kjv is inspired and inerrant, you can trust me to give you the scoop on what it teaches to us. Because my reading regimen has me reading through all of the epistles in the course of one week, every week; and the gospels, Acts, and Revelation about once per month. So I think that I have a handle on the teaching of the New Testament as the kjv sets it forth.

Since the way to life is narrow, I do not expect to win as converts those who have the pov that other translations of the Bible are also inspired and inerrant. You can believe that they are useful in helping to understand verses where the kjv is unclear. But if you hold watered-down translations to be inspired and inerrant, then you believe that in the places where they take away from the word, the kjv is incorrect in including in the word of God what the kjv (Textus Receptus) includes. And that is not acceptable.

And therefore, if you have that pov, I don't expect that I am going to convert you to my pov on everything. For I consider that those whom I desire to convert will be made into solid converts who cannot fall away; and yet if they are holding modern translations to be inspired and inerrant, and also rely upon them, I believe that they can fall away because of malnourishment.

But I have digressed. I will make the point that God has given me the Holy Ghost and that the Holy Ghost is leading me into all truth (John 16:13); and therefore, as we continue to hash out what we believe is the soundest doctrine in any given doctrinal issue, I believe that the Lord will help us to come to a greater knowledge of the truth.

And it is also true that when people try to pin on others that their doctrine is "FALSE and PERVERTED" they need to back up their claims with holy scripture....and the person in question has not come to this thread to back up his claims but is revelling in the fact that his accusation appears to have credibility in the eyes of some even though there is no biblical basis for his claim. The fact that I posted this thread and was forbidden to pinpoint the person who made the accusation shows forth that now, it is the accusation that has precedence instead of bringing that person to justice over the fact that he made the accusation. For some reason, the powers that be have chosen to protect the man who did this and yet they did not protect me from his accusation in the first place. So, there is injustice in the works. However, I have prayed that the discipline and chastening of the LORD might come upon those who are responsible. I have prayed that He will indeed receive these powers and principalities as sons (Hebrews 12:6). And thus, I am comforted in the midst of my hardship.

 

[DNB]

@DNB,

It is not that I was, in particular, saying that this man is of the devil because he opposes me; but I am saying that the devil is the accuser of the brethren and that this is how he uses people...by using them to slander those who bear the truth.

If I believe that I have the truth it is only because I have studied to shew myself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I am not going to say that I think that I have a perfect handle on the truth or that every word that comes off of my keyboard is from the Holy Ghost (although it is always my prayer that such would be the case); but I will say that I believe that I have knowledge of what is written in the kjv of the Bible and that if you believe that the kjv is inspired and inerrant, you can trust me to give you the scoop on what it teaches to us. Because my reading regimen has me reading through all of the epistles in the course of one week, every week; and the gospels, Acts, and Revelation about once per month. So I think that I have a handle on the teaching of the New Testament as the kjv sets it forth.

Since the way to life is narrow, I do not expect to win as converts those who have the pov that other translations of the Bible are also inspired and inerrant. You can believe that they are useful in helping to understand verses where the kjv is unclear. But if you hold watered-down translations to be inspired and inerrant, then you believe that in the places where they take away from the word, the kjv is incorrect in including in the word of God what the kjv (Textus Receptus) includes. And that is not acceptable.

And therefore, if you have that pov, I don't expect that I am going to convert you to my pov on everything. For I consider that those whom I desire to convert will be made into solid converts who cannot fall away; and yet if they are holding modern translations to be inspired and inerrant, and also rely upon them, I believe that they can fall away because of malnourishment.

But I have digressed. I will make the point that God has given me the Holy Ghost and that the Holy Ghost is leading me into all truth (John 16:13); and therefore, as we continue to hash out what we believe is the soundest doctrine in any given doctrinal issue, I believe that the Lord will help us to come to a greater knowledge of the truth.

And it is also true that when people try to pin on others that their doctrine is "FALSE and PERVERTED" they need to back up their claims with holy scripture....and the person in question has not come to this thread to back up his claims but is revelling in the fact that his accusation appears to have credibility in the eyes of some even though there is no biblical basis for his claim. The fact that I posted this thread and was forbidden to pinpoint the person who made the accusation shows forth that now, it is the accusation that has precedence instead of bringing that person to justice over the fact that he made the accusation. For some reason, the powers that be have chosen to protect the man who did this and yet they did not protect me from his accusation in the first place. So, there is injustice in the works. However, I have prayed that the discipline and chastening of the LORD might come upon those who are responsible. I have prayed that He will indeed receive these powers and principalities as sons (Hebrews 12:6). And thus, I am comforted in the midst of my hardship.

I'm sorry JBF, there is a delusion in your sentiments. Scholarship or academia is no guarantee for truth. You have a lot of audacity in claiming that just because of your diligence in reading the Word of God, that your opinion is reliable and accurate. Nothing can be further from truth, even in regard to anyone ('...those always searching but never coming to the truth...'). Scholarship abounds in Christian circles, and yet, no two theologians are in complete accord with the entirety of Scripture.
Plus, there is no rational argument under the sun, that can substantiate your position on the KJV. It is useful, but no more than any other version out there. Except, that it is even inferior to the others due to the archaic language, and the lack of antiquity of its source text. But just the fact that you feel otherwise, reveals your lack of judgment and discernment. For, it only requires very elementary reasoning to appreciate the fallibility of the KJV.

You can be very difficult and stubborn to reason with, JBF.

 

[justbyfaith]

I will only say this, @DNB, @Christophany...

I know that I have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and I know also that the Holy Spirit is also promised to all who will receive such a sacrament.

So, I know that I have the Holy Ghost and that He guides me into all truth (John 16:13).

As for the kjv, I do not expect every one to follow my example in exalting that version above all others.

The way to life is narrow and strait; and few there are who ever really find it (Matthew 7:13-14).

So, it is clear to me that there will be many who take the broader path to destruction; that is the nature of a path that is broad.

 

[ChristisGod]

I will only say this, @DNB, @Christophany...



So, I know that I have the Holy Ghost and that He guides me into all truth (John 16:13).

No the Holy Spirit does not guide you into all truth.

That promise Jesus made to His disciples and that the Holy Spirit would bring to remembrance EVERYTHING Jesus had told/taught them.

They wrote Scripture ( all truth) not you. The promise was for them , not you.

This is just another example of you not rightly dividing the word of truth and twisting scripture.

Now lets see if your pride gets in the way of the truth or not and you are able to accept correction.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


I suppose you know all the future as well- the things to come............ Peter/Paul in their epistles and Johns Revelation.

That promise was for the Apostles.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

No the Holy Spirit does not guide you into all truth.

That promise Jesus made to His disciples and that the Holy Spirit would bring to remembrance EVERYTHING Jesus had told/taught them.

They wrote Scripture ( all truth) not you. The promise was for them , not you.

This is just another example of you not rightly dividing the word of truth and twisting scripture.

Now lets see if your pride gets in the way of the truth or not and you are able to accept correction.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


I suppose you know all the future as well- the things to come............ Peter/Paul in their epistles and Johns Revelation.

That promise was for the Apostles.

hope this helps !!!

Nope, this doesn’t help at all. Using your reasoning, almost nothing Jesus said to His disciples applies to His present-day disciples, meaning us.

I know for a fact that the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth if we are yielded to Him. And He has brought many things to MY mind that Jesus said when I have needed those truths. Glad your wrong about this.

 

[justbyfaith]

No the Holy Spirit does not guide you into all truth.

That promise Jesus made to His disciples and that the Holy Spirit would bring to remembrance EVERYTHING Jesus had told/taught them.

They wrote Scripture ( all truth) not you. The promise was for them , not you.

This is just another example of you not rightly dividing the word of truth and twisting scripture.

The Holy Spirit's function is to guide all those who have Him into all truth.

This is just another example of you not rightly dividing the word of truth and twisting scripture.

Now lets see if your pride gets in the way of the truth or not and you are able to accept correction.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


I suppose you know all the future as well- the things to come............ Peter/Paul in their epistles and Johns Revelation.

That promise was for the Apostles.

hope this helps !!!

I know quite a lot of things about the future....things to come....especially what has been prophesied in holy scripture.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Nope, this dgoesn’t help at all. Using your reasoning, almost nothing Jesus said to His disciples applies to His present-day disciples, meaning us.

I know for a fact that the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth if we are yielded to Him. And He has brought many things to MY mind that Jesus said when I have needed those truths. Glad your wrong about this.

knowledge is truth, and knowledge is a gift and is not given to all. Twenty-five years ago my son ask me about. I told him I didn't. He told me that it came up at week long prayer meeting and he wanted my opinion. With two months of prayer and study I told him it was just another end time opinion and not a salvation issue so it was ok to believe it.

Was I ever surprised when I found out nobody else could accept it.