Mother of James?

[Marymog]

Well I'm sorry you can't be more open minded Mary. I would love for you to 'see the light' and I pray the one day God will show you.

Pearl......I have seen the light and I have found The Church that was established by Christ with an authoritative teaching, sound doctrine and leaders who are in charge of my soul etc etc. It is the fulfillment of Scripture. I pray that one day you will understand Scripture and see the light The Church has been shining for 2,000 years.

God bless...Mary

 

[Marymog]

This was Mary's original question and I said the ones in my bible. If that is a wrong answer then I do not understand the question. So, here is a list of letters/epistles in my bible:

• Romans
• 1 Corinthians
• 2 Corinthians
• Galatians
• Ephesians
• Philippians
• Colossians
• 1 Thessalonians
• 2 Thessalonians
• 1 Timothy
• 2 Timothy
• Titus
• Philemon
• Hebrews
• James
• 1 Peter
• 2 Peter
• 1 John
• 2 John
• 3 John
• Jude

Thank you Perl.....I count twenty one!! Unless I am missing something(?) I thought The Bible had 27???? How did you come up with those 21? Was it revealed to you personally that those 21 letters/epistles were the inspired words of God or was it revealed to someone else and you agreed with them?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

You wouldn't say that God's WORD is the final authority, fine. Man is fallible so, thanks but no thanks. I prefer to be taught scripture, not mans rituals and traditions. And, a priest is no different than a pastor in that they BOTH interpret scripture. At least in a protestant church, they actually TEACH!

Nancy,

Let me see if I understand you correctly: You believe that in a protestant church a pastor "actually TEACH" but you also believe that man is fallible. Sooooo why go to that fallible protestant pastor to teach you???

Did fallible men give us the correct books for our Bible????

Mary

 

[BreadOfLife]

You know that you are the king of taking passages out of context, eh? You may not be as notorious as some others on this site, but you definitely appear to be rather chronic and prolific at it.

PLEASE explain to me how I took Matt. 5:14-16 "out of context".
Explain to me what Jesus "really" meant.

This should be interesting . . .

 

[Nancy]

Nancy,

Let me see if I understand you correctly: You believe that in a protestant church a pastor "actually TEACH" but you also believe that man is fallible. Sooooo why go to that fallible protestant pastor to teach you???

Did fallible men give us the correct books for our Bible????

Mary

ALL men are fallible, even Catholic priests so, what is the difference in one over the other?? Are you a Berean?? Are your fellow congregants? And as far as who put the bible together?? GOD!
This has gone round and round forever and I am about to put every one of you know it all catholics on ignore...that is happening more than you all think. Then you will all be happy together slamming protestants and, there is a lot more of that than protestants slamming catholics. Done. You sound like a broken record.

 

[BreadOfLife]

So, what's the verdict then, only Catholics are saved - those who accept all papal dogma?

We've been down this road before, so I don't know why you're asking this question again because my answer will be the SAME.

The Catholic Chirch doesn't teach that ONLY Catholics will be saved. We are saved by what Jesus did - but, we are saved THROUGH His Body - His Church. This is the official Catholic teaching on the matter:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

 

[Pearl]

Pearl......I have seen the light and I have found The Church that was established by Christ with an authoritative teaching, sound doctrine and leaders who are in charge of my soul etc etc. It is the fulfillment of Scripture. I pray that one day you will understand Scripture and see the light The Church has been shining for 2,000 years.

God bless...Mary

Revelation 3:20

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

 

[Pearl]

Thank you Perl.....I count twenty one!! Unless I am missing something(?) I thought The Bible had 27???? How did you come up with those 21? Was it revealed to you personally that those 21 letters/epistles were the inspired words of God or was it revealed to someone else and you agreed with them?

Mary

I really don't know what this is all about Mary; it feels like a trick question.

 

[Pearl]

Nancy,

Let me see if I understand you correctly: You believe that in a protestant church a pastor "actually TEACH" but you also believe that man is fallible. Sooooo why go to that fallible protestant pastor to teach you???

Did fallible men give us the correct books for our Bible????

Mary

Well you go to fallible priests Mary. And at least our pastors actively encourage us to check the scriptures our for ourselves so that we can test that what we are taught is actually biblical.

Even the historical documents you like to refer to were written by fallible men. Nobody, apart from Catholics, believes that man can be infallible. The only man who was is Jesus.

 

[Pearl]

@Marymog Talking of infallible - as we were - You can't tell us that your priests are infallible when so many of them have been shown to have committed heinous crimes against young, innocent children. Or were they being #infallible' whilst they did it? How you can still believe in that infallibility is worrisome.

 

[Marymog]

ALL men are fallible, even Catholic priests so, what is the difference in one over the other?? Are you a Berean?? Are your fellow congregants? And as far as who put the bible together?? GOD!
This has gone round and round forever and I am about to put every one of you know it all catholics on ignore...that is happening more than you all think. Then you will all be happy together slamming protestants and, there is a lot more of that than protestants slamming catholics. Done. You sound like a broken record.

Thank you Nancy.

Sooooooo we can all agree that God "put the bible together". That is truly a broken record response by Protestants who don't know the history of the bible they quote from.

God revealed to man/men the...if you will....the table of contents of the Bible. I don't understand why that is so difficult for you to say? Maybe because if you say that then you would have to agree that God revealed to The Church (men) the table of contents but God didn't trust that same Church (men) to properly interpret the Bible. You trust The Church (men) whom God revealed the table of contents to but you trust yourself to interpret that book.....fascinating.

You didn't answer either of my questions:

Why go to that fallible protestant pastor to teach you???

Did fallible men give us the correct books for our Bible????


Mary

BTW....The Bereans, who were Jews, compared what we now call the OT to Paul's oral teaching about Jesus to determine that Paul was telling them the Truth about Jesus. They then converted to Christianity. I am not Jewish and we are 2,000 years removed from that event. Sooooo what's your point?

 

[Marymog]

Well you go to fallible priests Mary. And at least our pastors actively encourage us to check the scriptures our for ourselves so that we can test that what we are taught is actually biblical.

Even the historical documents you like to refer to were written by fallible men. Nobody, apart from Catholics, believes that man can be infallible. The only man who was is Jesus.

Hey Pearl,

Looks like we actually agree on something: Man is fallible.

That is why I don't go to a man like you do. I go to The Church which is the pillar and foundation of Truth and has the authority to determine who should be treated as a pagan/tax collector if they don't agree with The Church....Just like Scripture says. Does scripture say that about your Protestant pastor???

If we are able "to check the scriptures our for ourselves so that we can test that what we are taught is actually biblical" then why even go to those fallible men if YOU can determine what is actually biblical???

Why do you go to fallible men with no authority to be taught if YOU have the ability to determine what is or isn't a fallible teaching? That is a bizarre and unbiblical theory!!!

I have found the Truth and it has set me free (John 8:32). You are welcome to join the pillar and foundation of Truth so that you will know the Truth instead of constantly second guessing if what your Protestant pastor tells you is true.....or what you have taught yourself might possibly be fallible.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

@Marymog Talking of infallible - as we were - You can't tell us that your priests are infallible when so many of them have been shown to have committed heinous crimes against young, innocent children. Or were they being #infallible' whilst they did it? How you can still believe in that infallibility is worrisome.

Hey Pearl,

I have never said that priests are infallible. I have clearly stated over dozens and dozens of post over the last several years that The Church is infallible. If those priest are teaching what The Church teaches then they are not teaching a false doctrine.

Your theory is that any man that commits a sin is fallible????? We can't trust the men who gave us the table of contents for the bible that they claim is the word of God??? We can't trust anything the Apostles, who committed sins, told us??? Fascinating theory....

Mary

 

[Marymog]

I really don't know what this is all about Mary; it feels like a trick question.

Not a trick question Pearl. And the fact that you refused to answer or couldn't answer reveals a lot to me!

The table of contents for the bible wasn't revealed to you. You rely on the authority of the men that gave you that table of contents but you don't trust them for anything else. Their authority was a one time deal and after that they have no authority to teach you anything else. You can figure it out all on your own....Like a Beraen!!

No trick here Pearl....Just revealing how your theory needs more work.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Revelation 3:20

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’

 

[Pearl]

I go to The Church which is the pillar and foundation of Truth

So the Church. How do you mean you, 'go to the Church'? I don't understand that as the church is made up of people who are fallible. Do you mean fallible men in the church? And it is Jesus himself who is Truth. So if I go to Jesus I am going to Truth.

 

[Pearl]

Hey Pearl,

I have never said that priests are infallible. I have clearly stated over dozens and dozens of post over the last several years that The Church is infallible. If those priest are teaching what The Church teaches then they are not teaching a false doctrine.

Your theory is that any man that commits a sin is fallible????? We can't trust the men who gave us the table of contents for the bible that they claim is the word of God??? We can't trust anything the Apostles, who committed sins, told us??? Fascinating theory....

Mary

My church fellowship teaches what Jesus Himself taught. The Holy Spirit teaches me either my listening to a Spirit filled preacher or as I read my bible prayerfully or in a variety of different ways.

So let me get this straight priests are fallible but the Church is infallible. So what is the Church if not a body of people, men and women? Please will you make it clear and simple for a non-Catholic.

 

[Pearl]

Not a trick question Pearl. And the fact that you refused to answer or couldn't answer reveals a lot to me!

The table of contents for the bible wasn't revealed to you. You rely on the authority of the men that gave you that table of contents but you don't trust them for anything else. Their authority was a one time deal and after that they have no authority to teach you anything else. You can figure it out all on your own....Like a Beraen!!

No trick here Pearl....Just revealing how your theory needs more work.

Mary

Happy Christmas Mary.

 

[Pearl]

When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’

The door that Jesus is knocking on is the door of a person's heart - maybe yours - and it has it's handle on the inside so only the person who hears the knock can decide whether or not to open the door.

 

[farouk]

@Pearl It indeed says: "Thy word is truth" (John 17.17), not 'the church is truth', supposedly.