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[Ferris Bueller]

Then why do you keep presenting yourself as if you are Saul?

I'm not. I don't believe for a second that I have in and of myself the capacity to earn a declaration of right standing with God through my feeble attempts to do good. That's why I fell on God's mercy and received his forgiveness! I knew then that I could not do right and somehow earn my way into God's kingdom. I saw that the only way I was going to be right with God was to fall on his mercy and ask for his forgiveness. The irony being, that forgiveness is exactly what now enables me to do the right that I could not do before when I was trying to do right to be saved.

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm not. I don't believe for a second that I have in and of myself the capacity to earn a declaration of right standing with God through my feeble attempts to do good. That's why I fell on God's mercy and received his forgiveness! I knew then that I could not do right and somehow earn my way into God's kingdom. I saw that the only way I was going to be right with God was to fall on his mercy and ask for his forgiveness. The irony being, that forgiveness is exactly what now enables me to do the right that I could not do before when I was trying to do right to be saved.

So you began in the spirit, when did it become a matter of flesh?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Sin sin sin, it’s what this thread is all about. Jesus has resolved this problem.

As far as our legal standing is concerned, yes, that problem is solved. As far as us living in the power he has given to not sin anymore......well......just look at how the church behaves. We have a lot to learn. But it seems this is not a concern to a church that only looks at the legal aspects of being sinless, not the practical aspect of being sinless. I don't think the church even cares about that anymore.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So you began in the spirit, when did it become a matter of flesh?

I'll let you know when it becomes a matter of the flesh.
Ever increasing obedience to God through the new creation by the Holy Spirit is not even remotely a matter of the flesh. But I get it. We live in a time when the church can only understand obedience to God as you trying to save yourself.

 

[Waiting on him]

I only ask because I want to be prepared incase this foolishness creeps in on me?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Well I’d say that’s the only force in all of creation that would cause these men to put away their fingers.

Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

2 Thessalonians 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

The problem is that many will not humble themselves to the word of God.

1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Many do not tremble at the Word.

Isaiah 66:2 ...saith the LORD: ...to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

 

[Waiting on him]

I'll let you know when it becomes a matter of the flesh.
Ever increasing obedience to God through the new creation by the Holy Spirit is not even remotely a matter of the flesh. But I get it. We live in a time when the church can only understand obedience to God as you trying to save yourself.

Many come to Christ believing He enhances something special that was already there, this isn’t the case with me.

 

[Waiting on him]

Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

2 Thessalonians 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

The problem is that many will not humble themselves to the word of God.

1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Many do not tremble at the Word.

Isaiah 66:2 ...saith the LORD: ...to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Does this mean that God has appointed you as head rebuker?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I only ask because I want to be prepared incase this foolishness creeps in on me?

Chances are good the 'foolishness' that you should be more concerned about at this time in the church is the foolishness and deceitfulness of 'dead faith'. Dead faith is the disobedient faith of the unchanged person who thinks they are saved by the faith that produces no works (James 2:14). They think dead faith can and does save them because Paul said justification is by faith apart from the merit of works. Not knowing that Paul himself said the faith that justifies all by itself apart from the merit of works is the faith that finds it's expression in obedience to God's commands summed up in 'love your neighbor as yourself' (Leviticus 19:18, Galatians 5:6).

 

[justbyfaith]

Well I’d say that’s the only force in all of creation that would cause these men to put away their fingers.

Do you suppose that I am pointing the finger at anyone?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Does this mean that God has appointed you as head rebuker?

No.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Christians are DEAD to the Law.....it was given to “close the Mouth” Of anybody who thinks they can keep it ....”Close the mouth” is just a polite way to say, “ SHUT UP “...... I wish that some in here would learn that lesson in regard to “ Law- Keeping” and Shut Up about it.....

I wish you would understand that it is UNBELIEVERS who can't keep the law. Believers uphold the law......

Romans 3:31
31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Why don't you believe Paul? Don't you have an obedient faith that upholds the law? Aren't you different now than before you were born again? If not, why not?

 

[ChristisGod]

And it's a limited revelation of the gospel at that! You need to go to Romans for help understanding the significance and meaning of the death of Christ, and the resurrection of Christ.

Romans 4:25
25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

I don't think many Christians can articulate this.

1 Cor 15- Jesus died for our sins according to the scriptures. It’s right there in Paul’s opening statement on the gospel that saves.

hope this helps !!!

 

[BarneyFife]

You're right, God Himself made the true short list, trust Jesus and love others. These two things. And these new commandments so completely transcend the OT covenant with Israel.

This is basically the "other 9" argument and it means that the law and the prophets don't hang from the 2 great commandments as Christ said--they've fallen off.

 

[BarneyFife]

The Spiritual descendants of Hagar ( the Legalists ) will ALWAYS be around to attack the Spiritual descendants of the Free Woman , Sarah..They SHOULD Be thrown out of Christians Sites but until they are ......I will just use them as “ Springboards” to get the Gospel of Pure Grace out there.

I love the "attack" accusations. And I would never say a "Pure Grace Gospel" Christian should be thrown out of Christian sites, or call them "springboards." That's the difference between the "lovers" and the "lawyers."

 

[justbyfaith]

.The Spiritual descendants of Hagar ( the Legalists ) will ALWAYS be around to attack the Spiritual descendants of the Free Woman , Sarah..They SHOULD Be thrown out of Christians Sites but until they are ......I will just use them as “ Springboards” to get the Gospel of Pure Grace out there.

I love the "attack" accusations. And I would never say a "Pure Grace Gospel" Christian should be thrown out of Christian sites, or call them "springboards." That's the difference between the "lovers" and the "lawyers."

I find it interesting that he should claim that it is the descendants of the bondwoman who "attack" the descendants of the freewoman...

Especially since he is the one who has "attacked" me, calling me a false teacher over the fact that I preach repentance and a changed life in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Maybe he should consider that the "son of the freewoman" is the one who has been set free from sin (because he has repented).

And that the "son of the bondwoman" is the one who continues to be a slave of sin...while he may think that he is free because he can do what he "wants" to do...

 

[Brakelite]

What is it I read? That faith makes our lives look like the law? Such nonsense! Faith makes our lives look like Jesus!

Throughout history governments enact laws that reflect their ideology and/or worldview... The character of the ruling power.
Jesus is the Lawgiver. Those laws reflect Who He is. They are a written transcript of His character and the nature of the government in heaven. So when e day we are conformed into the likeness of Jesus, we are speaking synonymously with His laws. Those laws are observed so long as we do two things... Surrender ourselves to the work of the holy Spirit in our lives, Christ in us, the Hope of glory... Love in us shed abroad everywhere, is in harmony with the law, for love is the fulfillment of the law. Second, we surrender to His authority. We confess He has all the rights in the universe to exercise and expect His authority to be honored. Our agreement, our heartfelt acceptance of His Lordship over every part of our life, gives heaven all the open invitation it requires to make us law keepers. To be made like Christ.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The TRUTH is out there for Newbies to see....smart people will “get” it.....those whose intelligence and self- insight are limited will not.....once again, I thank the “ Springboards” out there that are confused , poorly taught and weak in their faith, If indeed , they have any true Faith at all.They “ help”in ways they are unaware of......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Oh my gosh! Have you even read anything I've said?????


There are things in the law I do not HAVE to do, because Christ has already done for me what those things in the law sought to accomplish.


God fulfilled all of the law for me in regard to being made legally righteous in his sight, cleansed from all guilt of sin. But in regard to actually keeping the law 'in action and in truth' (1 John 3:18) I do that, through the power of the Holy Spirit. And it's something I will always do to the very end of my life. God will never do that for me. That is my responsibility and obligation. I am to walk according to, and in step with the Spirit. I wish God did that for us. How different this forum would look if God did that for us.


I don't suppose it. It's what the Bible says.


I didn't decide which laws don't have to be literally kept and which ones do not. The Bible explains this for us. And the Bible says you are justified (shown to be righteous, not made to be righteous) when you keep God's commmands—the ones that remain to be kept by us.


That is where the blood of Christ comes in. Because I trust in the blood of Christ, if I fail to keep the law because of ignorance or weakness, that failure is forgiven by my High Priest, Jesus, through his blood that he has already sacrificed for me. But if I willfully and defiantly don't keep the laws that remain to be kept by God's people, I am NOT forgiven. Jesus the High Priest does not have that sin covered (I have to come to the Lord to have it covered.....while I am allowed to come to him).

If I die in that state of defiant, willful unbelief and rejection of God's grace I will go to the fiery place, not into the kingdom of God. Does that mean I lost my salvation, or never had it to begin with? What does it matter? I'm going to the fiery place. That's what matters. And that's what the church doesn't talk about, preferring instead to argue about whether once saved always saved is true or not. An argument, one way or the other, that does not change the fact that if you die in willful sin in a rejection of the blood of Christ you are going to the lake of fire, not into the kingdom of God. That's the part that is not in dispute. But we don't talk about that. We talk about the meaninglessness, right or wrong, of once saved always saved instead.

All of this Pablum as a result of not understanding Hebrews 6 and 10...... I give up on the “ stiff-necked” willfully ignorant in here....the TRUTH about Hebrews is SO EASY to see, a ten year old could “ get” it.....I hope Newbies will Google “ Andrew Farley Heb 6 and 10” and find the proper teaching in regard to these needlessly “ scary” verses.....then you won’t find it necessary to TWIST everything the Bible stands for on order to accommodate one mistaken verse.....God will bless those who strive to “ Rightly Divide”.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

True. So why don't you believe that gospel? The work of the gospel includes the recreation of man in the image of Christ... The result being Commandment keepers. Just as Christ was.

Jesus did not awaken each day to study a list of “ dos and don’ts .... commandment keeping came naturally to Him because He was Full Of the Holy Spirit .....If your Keeping Of the Commandments does not flow from that Same Source.....dont bother with them....they are just a bunch of “Dead Works”
In the end, God ain’t interested that much in what “ You” do—— He’s interested in what he can do “Through” you......
If you don’t understand that—- no problem — one actually has to “ LIVE” it to understand it and you clearly don’t.