The Son of man which is in heaven is either the Omnipresent Father or it is the Son as He will become risen to fill all things (ascending to exist outside of time).
The attack of satan on the gospel that I preach.
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There is an even more absolute promise in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.
Yes, you can receive the Holy Spirit by asking.
However, in context, Luke 11:13 is speaking of those who ask, seek, and knock.
If you do the two latter things, I believe that the seeking and knocking will lead you to repent and be baptized in Jesus' Name for the remission of sins.
Rocky Wiley
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Your account "to exist outside of time" is inaccurate. Here we clearly see the future...
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
The New Jerusalem:
Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
It is indeed in the future that we will be dwelling with God.
However, this does not in any way change His infinite nature and the fact that He is Him who was, and is, and is to come, all rolled into one...because He exists outside of time.
Time is a created thing. Since, when Jesus rose again, He rose to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) He rose to fill time and therefore He exists in eternity; just like He did before He was incarnated (Isaiah 57:15).
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First of all, I really don't disagree with most of what this person says. But something in what I have said causes them to disagree with me.
Secondly, we find in 2 Timothy 3:16 that all scripture (including what we find in the Old Testament) is profitable for doctrine, etc.
And, in 2 Peter 1:3-4, we find that we have been given many precious promises, some of which are given in the Old Testament, by which we can become partakers of the divine nature.
This only goes to show that one does not need to always go to the New Testament for doctrine.
Your point that John the Baptist baptized for the remission of sins is a good one. I hadn't seen that or I would gave used it also.
Other than that, I see nothing in the New Testament that I might have been able to use to show forth a refutation of @Blood Bought 1953's contention that repentance is only towards God and not away from sin.
I think that I may have mentioned in some of the beginning posts of this thread that God is holy (1 Peter 1:15-16) and therefore to turn to God is to turn to holiness and therefore away from unholiness (sin); but I don't remember at this point whether or not I said that in the beginning posts of this thread or elsewhere (I suppose that I can go and check, but whatever I find, it will not lead me to edit this post).
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Sorry but HE was given to "all who believe", that is His purpose,..
1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
ChristisGod
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have you learned anything in your Christian life from another person ? yes or no
Ephesians 4:11-12
So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
Your response is what happens when a person cannot rightly divide the word of truth, its results in ERRORS.
hope this helps !!!
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Jesus "IS" the Father manifest in the flesh. Jesus is the New Testament Tabernacle.
God told Moses to make the Old Testament Tabernacle with rams' skins dyed red, and a covering above of badgers' skins (Exodus 26:14). From the outside, it was not particularity beautiful. Jesus, the New Tabernacle, is not a man of outer beauty that we should desire him...
Isaiah 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
When the priest was in the Holy Place, and about to enter into the Holiest Of Holies, he knew God was on the other side of the Veil. The New Testament tells us that Jesus' flesh, his skin, is the VEIL...
Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
[20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Jesus "IS" The Holy Spirit...
Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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ChristisGod
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both jbf and user have a false christ/god known as (oneness, modalist, sabellienism,monarchianism )
hope this helps !!!
hope this helps !!!
Learnt more since walking away from religion than I ever learned in Church, God is faithful,
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Mat_6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mat_7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat_7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat_7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat_7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?'
whom is your trust in, God or men??
ChristisGod
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Maybe but he didnt have the Holy Spirit. But you seriously miss the point, In Christ we are never alone, you abide im Me ill abide in you. You choose to follow men than down that rabbit hole you will go. Its dark down there
Oh and yes teh devil loves that one keeps men in bondage.
ChristisGod
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Yes just like the children of Israel,
Exo_14:11 And they said unto Moses, Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to carry us forth out of Egypt?
And so like many you choose to remain in Egypt.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Remain if you must
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Yes, I am accusing you of that, very much so!
Almost everything that comes out of your mouth. Plus, your mannerisms, how you approach both people and logic, your KJVO stance, your deity of Jesus nonsense, the fact that you pester people by imposing threads upon them, your wallowing in pity or offense because someone called you this or that, ...
There is not one flippin' translation that is inspired, nowhere in the world - you're off your rocker JBF, you're absolutely mad. And then, you have the utter audacity to claim that you have God's Spirit of 'liquid love' flowing through you. Sentiments like that are called flippin' looney tunes.
Antanaclasis, obviously!
TheslightestID
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I have learned there are some here who are the last people I would want to learn from, as they teach a false gospel, then complain those who oppose them are Satan.
Matthew 7:15
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
I agree....however Jesus is not the Father as He inhabits eternity as an eternal Spirit without flesh.
I believe in the Trinity, @Christophany. My doctrine has distinct differences from oneness, modalist, sabellianism, monarchianism.
I find it interesting that you got angry with me when you thought I lied about DNB being a Jehovah's Witness...
How is it that you are not angry with yourself over lying about my doctrinal position?
Have I not made my doctrine clear enough to you over time?
I believe in true distinctions between the members in the Godhead. And therefore I am not a modalist.
Kapiche?
I had forgotten that you had nearly committed the unpardonable sin in a previous post by claiming that the Holy Spirit who dwells within me is some kind of "other spirit" (if you go so far as to say that He is a demon, you have crossed the line over into blasphemy of the Holy Spirit). That you are doing this again just goes to show that the unpardonable sin cannot be repented of (if you have committed it)...
You cannot identify a doctrine that is not biblical....so your contention has mainly to do with a feeling you have of contempt for the things that I preach....which are in fact biblical.
Your condemnation of my doctrines is primarily subjective therefore and not to be heeded by anyone.
It is insanity to believe that the word of God is inspired and inerrant?
So, you're saying that everything truly Christian is insane!
Because true Christianity bases itself in the paradigm that the word of God is the true revelation of God to man concerning salvation in this world.
Please define the word that you just used.
I don't think that you are referring to me...but if you are, please know that I do not say that those who oppose me are satan (and neither do I preach a false gospel)...I just say that they are unwittingly doing the work of satan.
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Please, justbyfaith.....the next time you start an Entire Thread devoted to my Satanic Ways , please let me know about it ! It’s early Christmas morning here in snowy Southern Ohio! Yes! Snow! And all of this time you thought my posts came from a place where it NEVER snows! Hell.
I could not think of a better Christmas Present than the-one+you delivered to me with this Thread—- ONE MORE splendid chance to get the TRUE GOSPEL of GRACE PLUS NOTHING preached by Paul in 1Cor15:1-4 out there for a World-Being taught by confused Jack- Legged “ Teachers”....
You need to go by the Bible. The Book Of Proverbs says that “ ANY” argument looks good —— until the “ other” side of the argument is revealed! You have sounded super “ Righteous.” Until now.
Just for the Record.....so that those unfamiliar with BB , “the Spawn Of Satan” in your poorly taught, confused mind , Let it be KNOWN by ALL that view these posts of yours are based on unnecessary ignorance that I have explained many times.....
REPENTANCE IS MANDATORY FOR SALVATION !!!!!!!!
When the Bible says “ Repent?” do so. When the Bible says “Repent From Sins” do so. If you ever find a verse ANYWHERE in the KJV that says , “Repent from Sins In Order to be Saved?” GO FOR IT!
THAT is the Verse that is NOT in there .....THAT is the Verse you will get $ 1000 for if you can produce it. You can’t .Do your #&#*#& Research as to the Actual MEANINGS of what the word “REPENT” stands for....like I have done and like wise Ronald has done! Words have actual MEAaNINgS, Words can be quoted “ IN” or “OUT” Context ! Don’t appear to be one that acts as if their “ Ignorance” were a “ Virtue”......
With a PROPER and EDUCATED understanding of “ Repentance”..... here is how it plays out:
An UNBELIEVER “ Repents” like Jesus showed us with the Parable of the Publican. What did His Repentance look like. “ Nobody comes to God lest the Spirit draw him”. The Holy Spirit “ drew” that Evil Tax- Collector by giving him a GIFT! The “ gift” of a CONTRITE HEART ! Now that he had that New Heart , he saw that he was a Lost, hopeless Wretched man —- headed for Hell like a speeding bullet to a Hell that was well deserved!
With these New Insights, proof was shown that the Law had done its Job in his life.....his-mouth was shut and he “ came to the END of Himself “ for any type Of Righteousness .....The Law did what it was designed to do......Drive a man to his knees and cry out like this Publican did —— “ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner “......as Jesus said, “that man went home JUSTIFIED !” That means Saved Forever!
Yes....the Unsaved man MUST REPENT! But it means NOT to “ turn from Sin” .....that comes Later!
The-Unregenerate Man has no POWER to turn from Sin.....he can “Turn over a New Leak “ and fool a lot of religionists , Legalists and Tares.....Yep....he sure can “Clean up” the Outside Of the Cup, but only God can TRANSFORM the “ INSIDE of the Cup” ....that difference is the difference between Heaven and Hell!
Turn to GOD with a Contrite Heart ( pray for it because only the Holy Spirit can give it to you ) and then God will put His Spirit in you and THEN you will experience “ Repenting FROM sin”.....it is a Natural Fruit Of The Spirit emanating from a New Creature...... A New-Creation with a New Heart that finds sin abhorrent and “ wants” to “ stop Sinning” and NOW has the POWER of the Gospel message and the Holy Spirit Indwelling him to actually become one That will God will actually TRANSFORM ! transform him into the “ image of His Son” and “ Finishing the Job That HE started.....”
Now, kids.....do I sound like the Monster That “ byfaithonky “ and other misguided souls portray me to be ? I hope not.If I do appear to have a Monster Message, I think “you” are the one with the Problem.Of course , I could Be Wrong about everything that I think and say, but don’t bet on it.....God Bless .....
P.S. Thank you Mr. Nolette..... I agree with all that you say....you have restored my faith in humanity....at least one other man out there “ gets it”.......let’s praise God and pray for those who don’t quite understand things as they should .....God bless you, Sir
Believe me, I tried...I even tagged you in the OP...but circumstances beyond my control changed that fact.
So, what does it mean in Ezekiel 33:19 when it says that "if you turn away from wickedness you will live thereby," if it means not that "if you repent of your sins you will be saved"?
Because he was a sinner. So, what the remedy for that? Since those who work iniquity will be cast into the furnace of fire (Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 13:41-42)?
Repent of being a doer of iniquity...iow, stop sinning (1 Corinthians 15:34). Start perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord (2 Corinthians 7:1).
So, he just resigned to the fact that he was a sinner; and decided that he was going to just be a sinner for the rest of his life?
That is not repentance...that is hardening your heart to what the Holy Spirit wants to do in you. That is resolving to accept sin rather than Jesus into your life!
It does mean to turn from sin (see Ezekiel 33:19, 2 Chronicles 7:14).
In my own life, God cleaned the inside of the cup and platter when I made a decision that I was not going to walk after the flesh any longer.
When God showed me Ezekiel 33:11-20, it was not long after that my besetting sin fell away from my life...from the inside to the outside.
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