Would you call Jesus a liar when He says what He says in John 8:58, Exodus 3:14; and the testimony of His claims in John 8:59, John 10:31-33, John 8:24?
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It has none, God has, Jesus has, The holy Spirit has, and anyman whom God chooses to give that authority, but the bible has none, shall I repeat it again.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
ChristisGod
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As Jesus said you are dead in your sins as per John 8:24
As Paul says in Romans 10:13 that one must confess Jesus is YHWH (LORD)to be saved. cf Joel 2:32
As Jesus said those who deny Him the Father will also deny ! Matthew 10:33
hope this helps !!!
Now you are condemning for what, who has rejected God or Christ, are you going to accuse based on your ignorance, you do know who the accuser is??
ChristisGod
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Christ is God so while you are rejecting His Deity at the same time you are rejecting God.
next................................
He is not God lets see
How many times must He say it.. will you too rather believe teh lie.
Mat_27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
So tell me , did Jesus forsake Himself, can can God deny Himself.
Even according to that scripture, the scriptures testify of Jesus.
How is it that you do not accept all of their testimony concerning Him?
You continue to fail to answer this question.
If you want to understand the Trinity, go here:
posts #1-#6 (True Trinity.)
I believe that your specific contention is addressed in post #5.
What has it to do with any ones salvation ,what was it men are asked to do,
Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Why dont you want to see it.
Whats mens doctrines to do with the truth,
Joh_5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh_5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Joh_5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
Joh_8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Jhn 8:58, Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
He was referring back to this:
Exo 3:14, And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
In this, He was claiming to be God, the great I AM:
As is evident by the response of the Pharisees, who understood His claim:
Jhn 8:59, Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Jhn 10:31, Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jhn 10:32, Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Jhn 10:33, The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
In the following, He makes believing this doctrine an essential for salvation:
Jhn 8:24, I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
The "he" is in italics and is not to be included, so that it more accurately says,
Jhn 8:24, I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins.
However, even if you do include the "he" in italics, the "he" would be referring to what it says in John 8:27.
Jhn 8:27, They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
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Is not Jesus the "Word of God come in the flesh"m was not Gods word with Him in the beginning, and no we are not speaking of the bible,. So was not He before Abraham,
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isa 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
So did His not His word go forth "Jesus" accomplish all that God had sent Him to do, an did not His word "Jesus" return back to Him.
Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh_5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him
Joh_17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh_14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
And to Him be all the glory
He never ever once claimed to be God, but im sure men would love to put God on a cross and Kill Him since men always wanted to be God. I would love to see you try, Kill God what madness.
Yep i ll never leave Christ for the bible, nor religion, or mens fanciful delusions.
Joh_18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Eph_4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Hope you find the truth before time runs out.
God bless
If you are hearing voices then you may need help from the mental health system.
My only advice to you is that you test every spirit to see whether it is from God (see 1 John 4:1-3).
Demons often do mimic Jesus and try to sound like Him so that you will fall for their tricks.
You had better be certain that the voice you are hearing is the voice of the Lord and not a demon trying to sound like the Lord in order to gain your confidence; then when he has it, he deceives you.
The fact that you do not believe in the Deity of Jesus Christ indicates to me that you have already been deceived by the voices in your head.
My only advice to you is that you test every spirit to see whether it is from God (see 1 John 4:1-3).
Demons often do mimic Jesus and try to sound like Him so that you will fall for their tricks.
You had better be certain that the voice you are hearing is the voice of the Lord and not a demon trying to sound like the Lord in order to gain your confidence; then when he has it, he deceives you.
The fact that you do not believe in the Deity of Jesus Christ indicates to me that you have already been deceived by the voices in your head.
And how may I ask you are going to do that when you done believe you can hear from God, yes they claim to be led by the Spirit than deny the voice of Jesus.
My sheep hear My Voice, and so we know who is not His.
A man can hear the voice of the Lord as He speaks through His word...
It does not necessarily come as the "voice of words" as a sound in the mind of the believer (Hebrews 12:18-19).
A prophetic gifting, like what God gave to Samuel, in which he heard the audible voice of the Lord, is very rare.
If you have that gifting, then I look forward to some of your prophecies; for surely none of them will fall to the ground if you hear the voice of the Lord.
It should be clear that the scriptures tell us that He will tell us things to come.
So, as soon as the Lord gives you a prophetic word, we will see whether you actually hear the voice of the Lord or whether the voice that you hear has no knowledge of what is actually in the future...
I will be asking the Lord to speak to you concerning things to come and that you will be able to relate what those things are, if you truly hear His voice.
Or, that if you don't really hear His voice, you will be exposed as a charlatan the moment your prophecies don't come to pass.
It does not necessarily come as the "voice of words" as a sound in the mind of the believer (Hebrews 12:18-19).
A prophetic gifting, like what God gave to Samuel, in which he heard the audible voice of the Lord, is very rare.
If you have that gifting, then I look forward to some of your prophecies; for surely none of them will fall to the ground if you hear the voice of the Lord.
It should be clear that the scriptures tell us that He will tell us things to come.
So, as soon as the Lord gives you a prophetic word, we will see whether you actually hear the voice of the Lord or whether the voice that you hear has no knowledge of what is actually in the future...
I will be asking the Lord to speak to you concerning things to come and that you will be able to relate what those things are, if you truly hear His voice.
Or, that if you don't really hear His voice, you will be exposed as a charlatan the moment your prophecies don't come to pass.
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No he cannot, how can one hear when one cant hear, as you keep saying you cant, you are denying Him and cant see it. You have put the bible above Christ the word of God, the Truth Himself. No man who knows Christ could ever put a book before Him, anything before Him is an Idol,
I have plenty of posts if you want to dispute them with Jesus please do. No skin of my nose, be careful that path you choose, its dark down that rabbit hole.
But I will leave you with this as food for thought
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
No; you are claiming that you hear the voice of Jesus; so I am asking you to prove it by prophesying something in the immediate future; and it will be known whether or not you hear His voice by whether or not it comes to pass.
If you truly hear His voice, then He will be speaking to you in the near future what it is that you are to prophesy.
Because I am asking Him to speak to you what is in the near future if you do indeed hear His voice.
But if you do not hear His voice, I am asking Him to cause you to prophesy something falsely so that it will be clear to all that the voice that you hear is not the voice of Jesus.
I suppose that there is another option....that you prophesy nothing. Such a thing would indicate that you do not have confidence in your ability to hear the voice of Jesus.
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